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Super Revision Bros (4-A proposals, Grand Star key, and two calculations)

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Accelerated_Evolution said:
Power Stars scale to the characters physicals, actually, and they are already accepted as such

As pointed by Armor here, the main problem is how inconsistent these upgrades are
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Still don't see why we can't give everyone a Grand Star key, though. It should be fair and make sense to give them one since we already brought back the Power Star key.
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
If enough Power Stars can equate to a Grand Star, then I could see Mario having 3-C via Creation with enough of them, but not because of an amp, especially with how vague it is the actual amp is.
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What are your thoughts on this?
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Did anyone besides Bowser amped themselves with a Grand Star?
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Every boss in both Galaxy games (aside from the Bowser fights in Galaxy 1).

As far as Grand Star keys for already existing profiles are concerned, I imagine only Bowser and Bowser Jr. should have one. Tbh it’s weird Junior doesn’t already have any Power Star-related key.
 
Omnificence said:
If not, then it shouldn't be a problem to give a Grand Star key ONLY to Bowser, should it?
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No, i personally agree with that tbh

Ghengiroo115 said:
Every boss in both Galaxy games (aside from the Bowser fights in Galaxy 1)
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Ngl this f#cks the whole scaling

Ghengiroo115 said:
As far as Grand Star keys for already existing profiles are concerned, I imagine only Bowser and Bowser Jr. should have one. Tbh it’s weird Junior doesn’t already have any Power Star-related key.
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Agreed
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Ngl this f#cks the whole scaling
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Dreamy Bowser moment

It’s funny because some of them can only be beaten by outside forces that technically don’t require Mario’s own strength (meaning you could theoretically justify it as Mario just being cracked at dodging), but King Kaliente, Gobblegut and the Boomsday Machine are objectively defeated through Mario’s own strength so they throw a wrench in that idea.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
It’s funny because some of them can only be beaten by outside forces that technically don’t require Mario’s own strength (meaning you could theoretically justify it as Mario just being cracked at dodging), but King Kaliente, Gobblegut and the Boomsday Machine are objectively defeated through Mario’s own strength so they throw a wrench in that idea.
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Womp Womp

Ghengiroo115 said:
Maybe we just say the Luma that gave Mario the Spin is 3-C
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I agree with that

Omnificence said:
And Bowser Jr., yes?
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I think so...
 
Now that I think about it, is there actually any evidence Mario and Luigi are powered by Power Stars in the Galaxy games? In fact the whole point of collecting them is to power the Comet Observatory/Starship Mario, so idk how the Bros would even have access to any that would power them.

I was half joking before, but if there’s no evidence for the Bros to be powered by Power Stars then unironically I think giving them an “Empowered by Baby Luma” key that’s 3-C would fix the weird scaling issues. Just ignore the mid-bosses powered by regular Power Stars and I don’t think there’s any more issues.
 
Lots of scaling changes being proposed in a months-old thread that's on its fourth page, probably make a new one for all this
 
Omnificence said:

Multi-Solar System AP​

Proposal: 4-A via Creation, Destruction, Death, etc.​


Agree: Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus,
Disagree:
Neutral:

Grand Star​

Why should characters have 3-C ratings again?​


Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:

Adding two new calculations to Mario's profile​


Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:
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It seems like you forgot to add staff votes to the OP after a certain point.
 
I'm fine with the Baby Luma amping Mario if it means 3-C can come back.

And yes, Bowser Jr. absolutely should've been had a Power Star/Grand Star key. Not only is he in Mario Party where these things are available but in both Galaxy games he consistently powers his mechs and stuff with them.
 
Lumas being 3-C doesn't make much sense given they need to gather a lot of energy just to turn into a a galaxy once.
Omnificence said:
It's barely even been 2 f***ing months, tho...
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Yeah that's a lot in VSBW terms, especially when the thread has had no activity for a lot of it.
 
Armorchompy said:
Yeah that's a lot in VSBW terms, especially when the thread has had no activity for a lot of it.
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Look, I would make another CRT for this, but I believe we're almost to a consensus here. Plus, I do have a lot of other things to deal with both inside and out of VS Battles like work, graphic design, and exercising, and I have plans on making revisions for other verses such as Devilman, Hellboy, and Spawn.

I mean, I guess I could make another thread for this, but I don't think just yet.
 
"We're almost to a consensus" on what? Thread is dead, you didn't keep track of votes, I don't even remember half the discussion we had and I don't think most do either, half the topics were rejected and the other half didn't really have any conclusion, it's as far from a consensus as it gets.
 
Armorchompy said:
"We're almost to a consensus" on what? Thread is dead, you didn't keep track of votes, I don't even remember half the discussion we had and I don't think most do either, half the topics were rejected and the other half didn't really have any conclusion, it's as far from a consensus as it gets.
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Okay, fine; I'll make another thread. Just keep this one open so I can give you all the link to it, alright?
 
Armorchompy said:
"We're almost to a consensus" on what? Thread is dead, you didn't keep track of votes, I don't even remember half the discussion we had and I don't think most do either, half the topics were rejected and the other half didn't really have any conclusion, it's as far from a consensus as it gets.
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Omnificence said:
Okay, fine; I'll make another thread. Just keep this one open so I can give you all the link to it, alright?
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Actually, no; I changed my mind.
Omnificence said:

Summary​

As the title implies, for this thread, I'll attempt to bring back the Multi-Solar System rating for the Super Mario Bros based upon different proposals I thought of and the Grand Star key along with two new calculations I did for the series. Without further ado, let's-a go!

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Multi-Solar System AP via Creation/Environmental Destruction ​

This was discussed in a previous thread when I was arguing for different tiers after the downgrade. First, let's take a look at some of the scans and instances where Multi-Solar System level AP is supposedly displayed:

Who should have 4-A AP?​

We're only going to give the Multi-Solar System Environmental Destruction to Bowser for this part. The reason being is because the context behind it in the intro to Yoshi's Story. "Only Baby Bowser could be so mean, to, ruin the happy Yoshis dream" and '"If we grow Super Happy" the Yoshis thought, "we'll spoil Bowser's evil plot"' would imply that this was all done by Bowser.

"B-b-but Joe, what about Exor's feat? And the Trio Meteor and Millennium Star?"​

Unfortunately, we can't apply this to the Meteor Trio or the Millennium Star, because we don't have sufficient proof that they're making a dimension. Exor's death doesn't make much of a difference in this regard, either, as it mostly looks more like Multi-Stellar Range instead of Attack Potency. While you could argue that Exor's feat is a destruction feat, there isn't sufficient context that would prove this is the case.

Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Maverick_Zero_X (Agrees with 4-A Bowser), @Deagonx (Same as Maverick), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (Same as Maverick),
Disagree:
Neutral:

Grand Star​

Why should characters have 3-C ratings again?​

The reasoning is the same as in the previous thread when I proposed bringing back the Power Star key for everybody. The whole objective of the Super Mario Galaxy games is to collect as many Power Stars as you can so you can face off against Bowser who is amped by a Grand Star. As I stated before, Bowser Jr. HEAVILY implies that the bosses who are refought are juiced up by The Grand Stars (which Power Stars should be similar to) and used them to obtain the form they take now. This should mean that the Grand Stars function in the same way that Power Stars do whenever users of them collect and draw power from them.

For this reason, I suggest we give everyone a Grand Star key and/or "up to 3-C with enough Power Stars" for their Power Star key.

Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:

Adding two new calculations to Mario's profile​

Recently, I did two calculations from Super Mario Land to further justify the current 6-C and Massively FTL+ ratings the cast currently has. They have already been evaluated once and two other CGMs on the forums don't seem to have a problem with them. I was going to also calculate several other FTL feats for the series, but it will take me some time to find them.

How much time does the cloud feat take?​

The cited manual from page 3 states that "the skies of Sasaraland were suddenly covered by a huge black cloud", so we can safely assume it was done very quick (ergo suddenly)/within a short timespan, rather than being done overtime. So I wouldn't see this as any particular reason for contention.

Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus, @ActuallySpaceMan42
Disagree:
Neutral:

Conclusion​

There are several other reasons I could list as to why the 4-A and 3-C ratings should be brought back, but as of now, I think the ones I listed should be enough. Plus, I think we should emphasize more on the characters' base statistics with more calculations as I believe it would justify the tiering they are currently at now.

Here are the proposed changes to Mario's profile should this get accepted.
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The votes are updated. I think we can add the 4-A ED for Bowser now, yes?
 
Omnificence said:
The votes are updated. I think we can add the 4-A ED for Bowser now, yes?
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No they aren't? You didn't list mine, Maverick's, Chariot's and Deagonx's, just the agreeing ones.

You know what, I'm tired of this manipulative bullshit, thread should have been closed long before this, be thankful I don't just report your ass for this.
 
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