Origami King Buffs

[ZespeonGalaxy]

I’d point to Kirby, which has separate keys for Pre Canvas Curse as well as Pre and Post Star Allies.

dewd this is clear whataboutism!11!!11!!!!!

 

[Robot972]

I don't know how Kirby scaling works, but if it's without reason like this, then Kirby scaling is weird too.

What, having separate keys for when notable increases in stats or abilities occur?

Which is the whole point of having separate keys?

That's not how Mario scaling works. Dunno why you made this hypothetical.

I used the Volcarona feat as reference for a similar feat to show how much Mario changes between Donkey Kong Arcade and Super Mario World, which is a similar, if not shorter timeframe than Super Paper Mario to Origami King, on top of again, not having any form of leveling up between games

Anyhow, this debate, again, is worthless if you don't address the sun thing.

I still don't see the issue. The plot of the game treats it as being the sun proper

Off-topic, but Baby Mario throws a wrench in that idea.

Eh, hardly. The only time Baby Mario really does anything of note in the Yoshi series is under the effects of the Starman, and stuff from side games can be excused as some time travel bullshit

Also, Cranky Kong is still Building Level, so if we're really holding the time travel to standard, we need to fix that

 

[Mephistus]

Bump

Should also apply to king ollys lifting strength being uni
Not just his ap

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

What, having separate keys for when notable increases in stats or abilities occur?

Which is the whole point of having separate keys?

Yup, notable increases. There's nothing that implies Mario's stats increased between Color Splash and Origami King.

What's not? Characters from the end of an explicitly clear timeline having higher stats than characters earlier in the timeline is exactly how scaling usually works.

I used the Volcarona feat as reference for how much Mario changes between Donkey Kong Arcade and Super Mario World, which is a similar, if not smaller timeframe as Super Paper Mario to Origami King, again, without any form of levelling up between games

Yeah, but that's not how the wiki currently scales Mario, or quite a lot of works, for that matter. It generally just gives the characters one tier per form or explicitly uniquely tiered time period.

I still don't see the issue. The plot of the game treats it as being the sun proper

The animation doesn't, the characters treat it as (or at least acknowledge it in a way that can be interpreted as them treating it) a feature of the desert, and the Sun is literally there outside of the desert.

Should also apply to his lifting strength being uni
Not just his ap

Whose?

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

Eh, hardly. The only time Baby Mario really does anything of note in the Yoshi series is under the effects of the Starman, and stuff from side games can be excused as some time travel bullshit

That's certainly not how Partners in Time is treated.

Also, Cranky Kong is still Building Level, so if we're really holding the time travel to standard, we need to fix that

That has bugged me.

 

[Mephistus]

Whose?

Olly

 

[Lou_change]

why are normal mario and baby mario being brought up?

 

[Robot972]

Yup, notable increases. There's nothing that implies Mario's stats increased between Color Splash and Origami King.

The fact he is facing opponents with stronger feats implies his stats increased. And again, the current island level stats are from pre-Paper Mario 64 because the wiki refuses to acknowledge that both Paper and 3D Mario have better shit since then

Yeah, but that's not how the wiki currently scales Mario, or quite a lot of works, for that matter. It generally just gives the characters one tier per form or explicitly uniquely tiered time period.

Okay? And that's an issue with the wiki, not with Mario.

 

[Robot972]

why are normal mario and baby mario being brought up?

We were discussing how Mario should have more keys than a generic all-encompassing key, and I brought up how Mario should have one for Pre-Mushroom Kingdom

 

[Lou_change]

He was born in the mushroom kingdom wasn't he? That is where the stork delivered him.

 

[Robot972]

He was born in the mushroom kingdom wasn't he? That is where the stork delivered him.

Pre-Mushroom Kingdom meaning the time he spent in New Donk