Origami King Buffs

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

Probably because the implication is that the universe is but a sheet of paper to him and he is physically folding the sheet of paper.

Still, why would that scale to durability?

 

[IDK3465]

Still, why would that scale to durability?

Newton’s third law

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

Newton’s third law

I don't think that applies for telekinesis.

 

[IDK3465]

I don't think that applies for telekinesis.

Well, when Olly was getting folded, he seemed to be doing so using his own physical body, and the quote seems to imply that he full on views reality as being a piece of paper in comparison to himself.
Besides, Olly was explicitly becoming empowered by folding himself, and physically fought with Bowser soon after sooo

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

Well, when Olly was getting folded, he seemed to be doing so using his own physical body, and the quote seems to imply that he full on views reality as being a piece of paper in comparison to himself.

Alright, but for folding anything other than himself, like the castle and its bridges, he uses telekinesis.

Besides, Olly was explicitly becoming empowered by folding himself, and physically fought with Bowser soon after sooo

Sure, folding himself empowered him physically, but the feat is in using the origami power in the castle to fold the fabric of reality, and not in the folding.

 

[Robot972]

Cool story, but does 3D Mario have evidence of getting stronger over time?

Super Mario RPG?
Mario & Luigi?
Puzzles & Dragons?
****** Rabbids?

The fact there are greater feats in games that take place later in the timeline is evidence enough

No, I mean what would the 1,000-Fold Arms be other than origami power?

I never said it wasn't origami power.

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

Super Mario RPG?
Mario & Luigi?
Puzzles & Dragons?
****** Rabbids?

The fact there are greater feats in games that take place later in the timeline is evidence enough

Those are side games (one of which is a non-canon crossover), and I'm iffy about using stuff from one game to justify something it wasn't meant for in another one. Also, what is "the timeline"? Mario series are pretty self-contained. We don't know where most of them stand chronologically.

I never said it wasn't origami power.

To be fair, the 1,000-Fold Arms could probably fall into "the power of origami", since Mario needs Olivia to use it, and he does origamify his arms to do it.

That’s unlikely to be the case since Olivia doesn’t mention the idea that they were already using it.

 

[AStrangeverse]

the games being spin-off titles shouldn't invalidate the addition since Super Mario profiles are composited across all games, excluding crossovers

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

the games being spin-off titles shouldn't invalidate the addition since Super Mario profiles are composited across all games, excluding crossovers

hotel mario: am i a joke to you (yes)

Jokes aside, using side games' leveling up mechanic (which I think would only be Accelerated Development within a single tier, and, at least in the case of the Mario & Luigi series, resets between games like in Paper Mario) to justify Mario rising several tiers across multiple games in the main series feels like "using stuff from one game to justify something it wasn't meant for in another one".

 

[AStrangeverse]

hotel mario: am i a joke to you (yes)

Jokes aside, using side games' leveling up mechanic (which I think would only be Accelerated Development within a single tier, and, at least in the case of the Mario & Luigi series, resets between games like in Paper Mario) to justify Mario rising several tiers across multiple games in the main series feels like "using stuff from one game to justify something it wasn't meant for in another one".

again, I'm only arguing for just AD

the tier jumping is stuff yall can handle

 

[Minion_of_Pigsaw]

again, I'm only arguing for just AD

the tier jumping is stuff yall can handle

In that case, yeah, I guess I can support minor AD for leveling up.

 

[Lou_change]

I mean they go from being unable to destroy dark star barriers in Bowser's inside story to destroying the dark star.

 

[Caleb1775]

Welp. If we're not going to rebuff the entire verse, might as well rebuff a handful of characters that have no excuse for their current stats... Getting through this quickly, there's two adjustments I think should be made.


First off, the Legion of Stationary (which is currently just Hole Punch and Colored Pencils) as well as Paper Mario, Paper Bowser Jr, and Paper Kamek, plus Paper Bowser if he ever gets a profile, should scale to the Hole Punch being able to remove the sun from the sky. Whether that uses the standard Solar System level "destroying the sun" calc, a generic "Star level" placement, or requires a new calc, idk.



Then we get to King Olly, who within his fight folds the very fabric of reality. While we only see the immediate vicinity actively folding during the boss fight, we can see origami blocks stretching well out into the background, far beyond what remaining pillars of the Origami Castle didn't fall into the void below. This would also be supported by the Thousand Cranes Technique being considered "real, ultimate power", matching Olly's statements about his own Origami Power.

In the past, it's been argued that the statement was too vague to be used, but discussion leaned somewhat towards the possibility of this being viable. Given we outright see Olly Origamifying all visible surroundings, I think there is an argument to be made.


So briefly assuming that this is viable and we wouldn't just upscale Olly from the Legion of Stationary, the part that gets a bit more tricky is whether this should be put as Olly's base stats or an "Empowered by Origami" key. This part of the boss fight goes out of its way to emphasize how Origami empowers individuals, leading to Olivia folding Bowser to "strengthen [him] too". But at the same time, Olly is already made of and is constantly surrounded by Origami, implying he's always benefiting from the power of origami as he's already been shown to be capable of grand origamification prior to this reveal.

Even taking into account that his pre-fight plan was to use the cranes to perform the mass genocide of non-origami beings, after transforming into a giant, he talks about how his new power should be more than enough.

So this should probably get discussed a bit, but my guess is that King Olly should just have this as his base stats, given Olivia could also use this same power when folding Bowser. Olivia then scales to this and Mario and Bowser should also get a "Empowered by Origami" tier.



TL;DR

• Legion of Stationary and Recurring Cast (putting Island Level as a "Pre-Origami King" key and creating a new "Post-Origami King" key) should scale to Hole Punch removing the Sun (Solar System Level? Star Level)
• King Olly and Olivia, plus Mario and Bowser with "Empowered by Origami" tiers, should scale to King Olly folding the fabric of reality (Universal).
  • If considered too vague, upscale King Olly and Olivia to Hole Punch and give Mario and Bowser a "Higher when empowered by Origami" rating

Agree: Zespeon, Medeus, Starsprite, Mephistus, Omnifience
Neutral: .
Disagree: .

I know I'm really late to this, but I agree

 

[Mephistus]

though there's probably a few other examples I haven't seen yet

• "Compared to when we first met, you've all gotten so much stronger... " - Tippi from Super Paper Mario Chapter 7 if you tattle on yourself as luigi, bowser, or mario (for the current party)