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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

ReusedOil said:
Tis but a theory

My boy genos is a simp for saitama and like hella biased. He doesn't understand anything beyond perceiving the fight as blurs, the occasional clear image, and what seems to be saitama winning.
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1.which is still something real considering that the rest of the things he said were (saitama merging with his other version, saitama transcending causality, saitama saving everyone, in fact if you watch the time travel sequence, you will notice something strange...)
2.which has not been demonstrated in the entire ******* series(he does not show to be biased about saitama in any time in the series)

and genos fights and they defeat him because either he is distracted, or the enemy is ******* powerful that genos will obviously lose (it's that genos literally faced off against the top 3 cosmic garou and obviously he was going to lose)
 
Alexander said:
1.which is still something real considering that the rest of the things he said were (saitama merging with his other version, saitama transcending causality, saitama saving everyone, in fact if you watch the time travel sequence, you will notice something strange...)
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The only real thing here is the rest of what genos said that he personally saw. his theory is still just based on his own understanding of what happened and thus are simply assumptions. Isn't it more just him listing off what happened, and then giving his interpretation? Assuming things doesn't make them real.
Alexander said:
2.which has not been demonstrated in the entire ******* series(he does not show to be biased about saitama in any time in the series)
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isn't genos so devoted to saitama because he misunderstands everything saitama does as gospel and so deserves reverence because he thinks it will help him reach the same power level? My dude is a cyborg and he literally is tryna learn from someone who exercised too hard. He doesn't even understand how illogical nor see how irrational it is. It points toward genos already in a compromised mind set. Preferring his idea of saitama over reality. Couple this with what I've mentioned what info genos actually has in determining what happened, and his immediate conclusion is to wank saitama to unbeatable levels, despite the lack of actual objective knowledge. Sounds pretty biased to me.
 
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ReusedOil said:
it just seems weird that he doesn't when at that time of training, saitama willed himself alive when his body should have been biologically inoperable, and willed the body to work despite the body no longer having the means to actually function... His willpower seems to supersede biology and override internal mechanisms in place for what he wants to happen.
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about the resistances, are the points presented really invalid? just want clarification because apparently my explanation doesn't qualify for how upscaling works :"(
 
Recon1511 said:
Garou while sleeping was using Awakening Breath and the Explosion Release Fist, both are stat amps techniques that bring the body of the user to their maximum output so I don't think Garou got stupidly stronger when he woke up considering seconds before he was using his full power against Bang (who could still damage Garou) and ultimately just won by using a dura neg technique
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He’s constantly using his techniques and according to him, he’s merging all of his techniques and using them in conjunction of each other, meaning against FF and PS Garou should be using strength far stronger than what he’s using against Bang.

Bang could never damage Garou on his own, during the final bout Bang only damaged Garou by using his own strength against him.

WS works by countering an opponent’s attacks via reflection and using that energy against them. As shown and stated against TTM.
This means Bang only hit him with his own attack which shouldn’t scale to him.
 
ReusedOil said:
The only real thing here is the rest of what genos said that he personally saw. his theory is still just based on his own understanding of what happened and thus are simply assumptions. Isn't it more just him listing off what happened, and then giving his interpretation? Assuming things doesn't make them real.

isn't genos so devoted to saitama because he misunderstands everything saitama does as gospel and so deserves reverence because he thinks it will help him reach the same power level? My dude is a cyborg and he literally is tryna learn from someone who exercised too hard. He doesn't even understand how illogical nor see how irrational it is. It points toward genos already in a compromised mind set. Preferring his idea of saitama over reality. Couple this with what I've mentioned what info genos actually has in determining what happened, and his immediate conclusion is to wank saitama to unbeatable levels, despite the lack of actual objective knowledge. Sounds pretty biased to me.
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1.apart from the fact that genos literally saw what happened, time bubbles (name making up) are not consistent in many things, for example, saitama is not on jupiter and yet he can see bubbles where he is on jupiter, or that he literally he sees bubbles that do not have a temporal consistency (that is, he sees random memories that do not have chronological order) that is why it is more possible that they are time lines, than that it is saitama traveling to the past.
2.Bro, he literally didn't say a single explanation of Saitama and time travel how that is biased?,also Saitama wasn't there for Genos to see certain things, I mean, I understand that his dialogue is super long and praises Saitama, but it doesn't mean that he's still being valid, it is not biased, nothing that genos says is biased. Of course, maybe you could say something about Saitama being able to interact with the phoenix pocket dimension, maybe you'd say ''the sensei transcends logic'' or ''the sensei transcends the physical'' but guess what, he'll never say, because he never saw it .
 
TimmyTurnero said:
That’s ok, iirc the radius of the shockwave was like 80km thats island levels of energy. Some body should make an end using that
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Found it.

It was accepted at 7-A, but scrapped because at the time, we realized that we had to divide the result by the amount of punches it took (5), and it was lower than what we rated characters then. If we do that now, it ends up being 143.16 megatons, so still 7-A.
 
Alexander said:
1.apart from the fact that genos literally saw what happened, time bubbles (name making up) are not consistent in many things, for example, saitama is not on jupiter and yet he can see bubbles where he is on jupiter, or that he literally he sees bubbles that do not have a temporal consistency (that is, he sees random memories that do not have chronological order) that is why it is more possible that they are time lines, than that it is saitama traveling to the past.
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genos saw what happened, and then gave his interpretation.
Alexander said:
2.Bro, he literally didn't say a single explanation of Saitama and time travel how that is biased?,also Saitama wasn't there for Genos to see certain things, I mean, I understand that his dialogue is super long and praises Saitama, but it doesn't mean that he's still being valid, it is not biased, nothing that genos says is biased. Of course, maybe you could say something about Saitama being able to interact with the phoenix pocket dimension, maybe you'd say ''the sensei transcends logic'' or ''the sensei transcends the physical'' but guess what, he'll never say, because he never saw it .
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again, his interpretation of events. I've already established how biased genos can be when it comes to saitama. You showed examples with what genos might say that would be considered bias, but thats exactly what genos did when he claimed that garou would never beat or outplay saitama in any way through how many parralel worlds exist, despite the infinite possibilities, ignoring how parralel worlds work and its variations of concept, in place of his interpretation which is based on... what again? can you even tell me what objective fact genos is basing this assumption off that validates it as the truth?
 
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Kachon123 said:
Found it.

It was accepted at 7-A, but scrapped because at the time, we realized that we had to divide the result by the amount of punches it took (5), and it was lower than what we rated characters then. If we do that now, it ends up being 143.16 megatons, so still 7-A.
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That’s weird, why are we assuming it took 5 punches? Even if it did, the first shockwave would have traversed this distance anyways so be would scale to the full value regardless.
 
Kachon123 said:
Found it.

It was accepted at 7-A, but scrapped because at the time, we realized that we had to divide the result by the amount of punches it took (5), and it was lower than what we rated characters then. If we do that now, it ends up being 143.16 megatons, so still 7-A.
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It also doesn’t scale to anyone other than Gouketsu
 
ReusedOil said:
I think its because of the 5 cloud rings lmao
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Maybe, even then, the initial shockwave would have traversed that distance anyways so he should scale.

Also given the sound effects, it’s implied that only a singular attack was thrown during that time (single smash) and Suiryu implies it was a singular attack by stating “that sound” implying a singular sound or a singular smash.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
Maybe, even then, the initial shockwave would have traversed that distance anyways so he should scale.

Also given the sound effects, it’s implied that only a singular attack was thrown during that time (single smash) and Suiryu implies it was a singular attack by stating “that sound” implying a singular sound or a singular smash.
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I think "that sound" refers to saitama's punch and was mistaken by suiryu
 
Honestly if im being serious Genos isn’t that damaged after Gouketsu’s punched, he isn’t any worse than before the punch.
ReusedOil said:
I think "that sound" refers to saitama's punch and was mistaken by suiryu
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Saitama stated he one the fight in a singular punch, after Suiryu mentioned that smash he states “it has started” and we hear several smashes afterwards. So the singular smash Suiryu heard was Gouketsu’s attack.
 
ReusedOil said:
genos saw what happened, and then gave his interpretation.

again, his interpretation of events. I've already established how biased genos can be when it comes to saitama. You showed examples with what genos might say that would be considered bias, but thats exactly what genos did when he claimed that garou would never beat or outplay saitama in any way through how many parralel worlds exist, despite the infinite possibilities, ignoring how parralel worlds work and its variations of concept, in place of his interpretation which is based on... what again? can you even tell me what objective fact genos is basing this assumption off that validates it as the truth?
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1.I don't understand why it would be wrong, if there is no other way to explain it.
2.and genos did not say anything about the examples that I said for guess what, he did not say.
3.ok, for this one it is up to everyone's interpretation, but considering that genos said that saitama transcending causality (this was even said by the narrator in the previous chapter) saitama is beyond possibilities and any possibility in the multiverse will make saitama I won against cosmic garou(Like fate manipulation)
 
ReusedOil said:
Why is gouketsu going at full power again?
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I never assumed he was at full power, Genos after basically tanking his punch, used his power scanners to analyze and conclude that Gouketsu’s punch was superior to Saitama and Tatsumaki.
LordTracer said:
Half of his face is missing and he can barely move
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Giving his biological circumstances a hard enough punch can knock his systems out of whack, like dropping an android can cause internal issues such as a messed up screen but the phone itself takes no physical damage.
He was missing an eyeball and the skin on his face but his physical body is almost untouched after the attack.
 
Bang’s base being thousands of times weaker than awakening breath is so insanely ******
Garou masters awakening breath against bang after their fight starts and goes from being evenly clashing to being slightly stronger than bang, and we just treat it like this godlike multiplier
it hasn’t even been shown to affect durability either, since it’s quite literally just a breathing technique that is said to increase your power, not a transformation that increases your durability too
On top of that, after a weakened bomb held his own against Garou a few seconds earlier, bang literally went full power awakening breath against bomb knowing it wouldn’t kill garou, as he was intentionally leaving Garou alive. Basically he was confident that someone a weakened bomb could fight wouldn’t die if he went full power awakening breath for a moment.
Base bang should definitely not be below at least high 7-A+
 
TimmyTurnero said:
I never assumed he was at full power, Genos after basically tanking his punch, used his power scanners to analyze and conclude that Gouketsu’s punch was superior to Saitama and Tatsumaki.
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which goes right back round to the idea that getting punched in the face would hamper your ability to think things clearly
 
TimmyTurnero said:
Giving his biological circumstances a hard enough punch can knock his systems out of whack, like dropping an android can cause internal issues such as a messed up screen but the phone itself takes no physical damage.
He was missing an eyeball and the skin on his face but his physical body is almost untouched after the attack.
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He literally said that he needed Kuseno to repair him, and the next time we see him, he’s in his Post-Superfight body.

We’re not scaling Genos to Gouketsu. Stop.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
weakened bomb held his own against Garou a few seconds earlier
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Yeah, Bomb should probably at least dowscale from Surface Garou. We see Awakening Breath Bang (6-C) clash with Base Surface Garou.

Bomb was able to block attacks from and knock back Base Surface Garou. They even had a sequence similar to Bang and Garou's. At the very least, he should scale in speed for obvious reasons.
 
Bomb also states Garou grew in stats, but that was only due to Garou awakening breath after the initial clash between AB bang and base Garou, which supports that until he did so, Garou did not grow significantly stronger in any way
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Bang’s base being thousands of times weaker than awakening breath is so insanely ******
Garou masters awakening breath against bang after their fight starts and goes from being evenly clashing to being slightly stronger than bang, and we just treat it like this godlike multiplier
it hasn’t even been shown to affect durability either, since it’s quite literally just a breathing technique that is said to increase your power, not a transformation that increases your durability too
On top of that, after a weakened bomb held his own against Garou a few seconds earlier, bang literally went full power awakening breath against bomb knowing it wouldn’t kill garou, as he was intentionally leaving Garou alive. Basically he was confident that someone a weakened bomb could fight wouldn’t die if he went full power awakening breath for a moment.
Base bang should definitely not be below at least high 7-A+
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It’s not ******, Tatsumaki apparently getting over 703,968,253.96x weaker from a little blood lose is ******.

Awakening breath is stated to push the body to it’s limits, increasing it’s overall strength. Meaning their muscles bones etc all become stronger which would inherently increase their defenses.

Bomb is stated stronger than Bang, Garou was strong enough to break Bomb’s legs, Awakening Breath Garou could only do surface damage to Bang. That’s an overwhelming large difference in power going by this alone, Garou never showed the ability to fight evenly with AB Bang before using AB himself. Even Bomb was shocked by Garou fighting evenly with AB Bang despite him just clashing with Garou. That shows the large difference in AB and base.

Bang using Ab against Garou doesn’t mean he’s confident in it being incapable of killing Garou, all it proves is he needed a higher level of power at the moment and could hold back while in the state.
It’s like saying Goku going ssjb against krillin means he was confident in krillin not dying against, when in reality he can simply suppress his strength while in that state.
 
LordTracer said:
He literally said that he needed Kuseno to repair him, and the next time we see him, he’s in his Post-Superfight body.
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He was ****** up by the cockroach don’t forget, and I’m not arguing that he wasn’t damaged by Gouketsu im arguing that the damaged wasn’t so much that he can’t downscale from the attack.
LordTracer said:
We’re not scaling Genos to Gouketsu. Stop.
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Not a valid reason to why we shouldn’t, possibly large island level genos. W
 
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