STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[AnimesFreak2]

DISCLAIMER, nothing in the following post is actually stuff I’d put in a crt for obvious reasons, but it’s just my own personal scaling that I’d probably advocate for outside of the wiki.

Honestly I’m just gonna go ahead any say, I believe garou could copy tier 0 AP, maybe. People do love screaming no limits fallacy, but think of it this way. One thing that’s important is that no limits fallacy technically doesn’t stop garou from copying tier 0, as if he truly didn’t have an upper limit, then an infinitely large (including higher layers of infinity) wouldn’t be that limit, since there is a difference between an infinitely high limit, and no limit at all.

Now if the statements of limiter breaking giving you no limits are true (there’s really nothing even suggesting it isn’t as of yet) then of course it would mean garou could in fact copy up to an undefined amount of power. Now, as for no limits fallacy applying, no limits fallacy only applies when there is no evidence of a character actually being limitless. If we had multiple reliable statements (like in this case) then nlf would essentially be bypassed. Really the only issue people would have a problem with this, is because big number scary, I mean, it MUST be nlf if you say he can copy THAT strong! But that’s not exactly a counter argument.

As the disclaimer shows, I do expect nobody to agree with this, and I do expect everybody to shout nlf regardless, but ignoring wiki standards this is my personal logic as to what Cosmic Garou should be capable of. Of course he’d get hax stomped by any tier zero he fought, but I’m just saying his copying combined with limiter breaking should go crazy in theory.

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[Coomandar]

Tatsumaki fan has no place to look down on me when you’re already simping at the bottom

yeah i have place.
when did i ever say that tatsumaki is tier 0

 

[Baken384]

coomander's tatsumaki feet kissing moments is more bearable than garou tier 0 wank

 

[ZillertheBucko]

everybody calls it wank but nobody can explain why
hmmmmmmm

 

[Baken384]

no need to explain because everyone knows its stupid lol

 

[ZillertheBucko]

and yet you lack the evidence to say that
too bad!

 

[Quantu]

Well for one Garou is bound by linear time, he automatically cannot be Tier 0 lol

 

[ByAsura]

The only thing that's lacking evidence is Tier 0 Garou.

 

[Baken384]

mf garou so weak he couldn't even keep up with saitama's 4-a growth and got bodied

 

[ZillertheBucko]

how did this get twisted into tier zero garou
I said he CAN COPY tier zero
people seriously would get pissed before even knowing what they're pissed about

 

[ByAsura]

Everyone knows what you mean, bruh, it's just non-logic in general.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

mf garou so weak he couldn't even keep up with saitama's 4-a growth and got bodied

saitama being 4-A was irrelevant read the fight again
the only reason saitama won was because of his AD being faster than garou could spam copying, if saitama had been a static 3-C then Garou would have copied and surpassed him, and won the fight.

 

[Baken384]

ziller tomorrow: "i think garou can copy super tengen toppa gurren lagann's powers and stats...."

 

[Baken384]

saitama being 4-A was irrelevant read the fight again
the only reason saitama won was because of his AD being faster than garou could spam copying, if saitama had been a static 3-C then Garou would have copied and surpassed him, and won the fight.

fodder garou couldn't even copy in time

 

[LordTracer]

saitama being 4-A was irrelevant read the fight again
the only reason saitama won was because of his AD being faster than garou could spam copying, if saitama had been a static 3-C then Garou would have copied and surpassed him, and won the fight.

Garou can’t keep up with someone’s AD putting them into 3-C at best but he can instantly copy Tier 0 kek

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Everyone knows what you mean, bruh, it's just non-logic in general.

ok this is going nowhere, I could ask for why you disagree 1 billion times but you'd all just be like "uuhhhhh isn't it obvious, you're wrong becaus euhhhh because you're wrong!!! it's so obvious !!!1"

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Garou can’t keep up with someone’s AD putting them into 3-C at best but he can instantly copy Tier 0 kek

you quite blatantly didn't read what I said if you think this

 

[ByAsura]

No, it's because your only logic boils down to 'NLF doesn't apply when there's reliable statements.'

Like, m80, what reliable statements does Garou actually have? That he's going to copy Saitama infinitely?

We don't even know how strong God, who granted that power, is.

 

[LordTracer]

you quite blatantly didn't read what I said if you think this

 

[Baken384]

me walking home knowing i am objectively correct and 99% of the world sees it as that and ziller is objectively incorrect and wrong about this stance of garou being able to copy tier 0 power

 

[Kachon123]

Garou can’t keep up with someone’s AD putting them into 3-C at best but he can instantly copy Tier 0 kek

I obviously don't agree with Ziller, but what you're saying doesn't make sense.

Garou not being able to keep up with someone's AP that was growing quickly doesn't mean that he can't copy something much higher than the person that was growing. That's shown as at the end of the day, Garou was still able to copy Saitama perfectly, it's just that by the time Garou copied that level of power, Saitama already far surpassed it.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

No, it's because your only logic is 'NLF doesn't apply when there's reliable statements.'

Like, m80, what reliable statements does Garou actually have? That he's going to copy Saitama infinitely?

the entire limiter business, that's what he has
if you wanna say garou hasn't broken his limiter, that's something entirely diffent

shove this dumb gif up your ass btw
anyways, this still isn't an argument of any kind



The only thing that has been accomplished so far is you idiots all saying useless shit just because you think having le popular opinion means you can just be correct without acknowledging my points in any way.
It's annoying as hell and gets nothing done.

 

[LordTracer]

shove this dumb gif up your ass btw
anyways, this still isn't an argument of any kind

Once again, you’re getting way too pressed over something that ain’t that serious
And I’m not trying to make an argument kek, I just find this hilarious

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Wanking Boros was more fun

 

[ByAsura]

the entire limiter business, that's what he has
if you wanna say garou hasn't broken his limiter, that's something entirely diffent

I'm not saying that, I'm saying limiters are in the same boat.

Honestly, I can't even really make much of an argument here because there's not really much to even address.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Once again, you’re getting way too pressed over something that ain’t that serious
And I’m not trying to make an argument kek, I just find this hilarious

well regardless of how seriously you're taking it, it doesn't change the fact that you're just ganging up with the rest of the people, and proceeded to say something that was blatantly untrue

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Honestly yeah after Tier 0 Garou I'm missing the Boros jerkers

 

[LordTracer]

Let’s go back to the 4-A Boros wank lel

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Honestly yeah after Tier 0 Garou I'm missing the Boros jerkers

Boros was cooler than Cosmic Garou and this isn't exaggeration.

 

[Baken384]

time to reawaken the goat...

 

[Quantu]

Garou Mode: Yog-Sothoth

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I'm not saying that, I'm saying limiters are in the same boat.

Honestly, I can't even really make much of an argument here because there's not really much to even address.

Well from my knowledge of limiters (we really need to explain limiters on the verse page) the cap for all characters in opm is given by the limiters
if someone were to remove the limiter, then they no longer have an upper limit. Simple enough, I think.
It wouldn't quite make any sense if there were secretly another limiter that was there and like "oh yeah, you remove your limiter, except you still have a limiter there"
that's basically my reasoning, but I guess the entire paragraph I wrote just got completely flooded on by team reddit so it's not really as in depth as I'd want to be

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

DISCLAIMER, nothing in the following post is actually stuff I’d put in a crt for obvious reasons, but it’s just my own personal scaling that I’d probably advocate for outside of the wiki.

Honestly I’m just gonna go ahead any say, I believe garou could copy tier 0 AP, maybe. People do love screaming no limits fallacy, but think of it this way. One thing that’s important is that no limits fallacy technically doesn’t stop garou from copying tier 0, as if he truly didn’t have an upper limit, then an infinitely large (including higher layers of infinity) wouldn’t be that limit, since there is a difference between an infinitely high limit, and no limit at all.

Now if the statements of limiter breaking giving you no limits are true (there’s really nothing even suggesting it isn’t as of yet) then of course it would mean garou could in fact copy up to an undefined amount of power. Now, as for no limits fallacy applying, no limits fallacy only applies when there is no evidence of a character actually being limitless. If we had multiple reliable statements (like in this case) then nlf would essentially be bypassed. Really the only issue people would have a problem with this, is because big number scary, I mean, it MUST be nlf if you say he can copy THAT strong! But that’s not exactly a counter argument.

As the disclaimer shows, I do expect nobody to agree with this, and I do expect everybody to shout nlf regardless, but ignoring wiki standards this is my personal logic as to what Cosmic Garou should be capable of. Of course he’d get hax stomped by any tier zero he fought, but I’m just saying his copying combined with limiter breaking should go crazy in theory.

Why did you say yes when Moon Knight offered you ketamine and how much did you take?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Why did you say yes when Moon Knight offered you ketamine and how much did you take?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Some people just don't know what Tier 0 is and what takes to reach it, this is no surprise

yeah i have place.
when did i ever say that tatsumaki is tier 0

You have a point there

 

[ByAsura]

if someone were to remove the limiter, then they no longer have an upper limit. Simple enough, I think.
It wouldn't quite make any sense if there were secretly another limiter that was there and like "oh yeah, you remove your limiter, except you still have a limiter there"
that's basically my reasoning, but I guess the entire paragraph I wrote just got completely flooded on by team reddit so it's not really as in depth as I'd want to be

That implies the limitless nature of limiters extends to higher dimensions in the first place, though. Higher dimensions aren't even a thing that have been expressed in OPM.

It's just that biological organisms have limits to how far their strength goes, and removing the limiter removes that.

The physical strength of an organism isn't remotely related to any higher dimensional concepts (barring maybe gravity, which is technically a non-dimensional concept).

Calling everyone who said they disagree with you Redditors is a pretty Redditor thing to do. You're the one making claims here, so you actually needed to provide the real evidence.

 

[Coomandar]

saitama being 4-A was irrelevant read the fight again
the only reason saitama won was because of his AD being faster than garou could spam copying, if saitama had been a static 3-C then Garou would have copied and surpassed him, and won the fight.

theres an infinte abysm in being able to copy a 3-c character and a tier 0 one

 

[LordTracer]

Tier 0 is like, the worst tier on the wiki by far, why would you ever want to be on that level anyway

 

[Quantu]

This sums up why even a hypothetically infinite Garou could never trespass into the domain of the Tier 0's

 

[Deceived3596]

Honestly I’m just gonna go ahead any say, I believe garou could copy tier 0 AP, maybe. People do love screaming no limits fallacy, but think of it this way. One thing that’s important is that no limits fallacy technically doesn’t stop garou from copying tier 0, as if he truly didn’t have an upper limit, then an infinitely large (including higher layers of infinity) wouldn’t be that limit, since there is a difference between an infinitely high limit, and no limit at all.

This is just a complete semantical argument about the word "no limits", you need to understand that words have multiple meanings, and with each meaning requiring a level of evidence to assume which is more correct in the sub-text of the entire sentence.

What i mean by this is if we aren't exactly given what "no limits" actually means in this context then we'll only assume what requires the least amount of assumptions to claim, and since your assertion would require a massive preponderance of evidence that you don't have, you can't logically claim this in comparison to the claims made by everyone else in this thread.

Now if the statements of limiter breaking giving you no limits are true (there’s really nothing even suggesting it isn’t as of yet) then of course it would mean garou could in fact copy up to an undefined amount of power. Now, as for no limits fallacy applying, no limits fallacy only applies when there is no evidence of a character actually being limitless. If we had multiple reliable statements (like in this case) then nlf would essentially be bypassed. Really the only issue people would have a problem with this, is because big number scary, I mean, it MUST be nlf if you say he can copy THAT strong! But that’s not exactly a counter argument.

Already addressed the "no limits" argument which is the foundation of this entire paragraph, so i'll not address this even though you completely misunderstood what NLF even is.

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There, someone actually argued against your argument without memeing or posting emoji's. Stop crying about it now.