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Wouldn't this affect Blast too, considering his rating comes from harming Garou
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It would make him scale to 4-A, yeah. Which seems... Weird. Unless he actually didn't harm Garou there? Donno
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Maybe. You also have Blast briefly containing the energy of SPS, but whether or not that scales to his physical stats is impossible to say.
In fact, seeing as only his enhanced attacks harmed Garou and he never got hit with something other than maybe the SPS energy, but that's up to interpretation, the only raw, unenhanced physical stat we can really scale is his speed, lol.
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He seemed to have slightly harmed Garou, definitely bothered him at least.
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Well, then he would fully scale to SP^2 because that did next to nothing to Garou and Saitama.
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Even Blast's friends agree (albeit indirectly) that Blast can fight well against this Garou.
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Theres no reason to assume stone wall tbh when the graph showed him climbing up and never dropping. Not to mention he deliberately wanted to be able to use saitamas full power and him to bring it out. Like, why would he just suddenly lose it.
Not to mention that would imply blast is saitamas level (for harming garou and making chunks or something fly off hisface) despite him barely being able to contain the serious punch energy and needing outside help to redirect it (not to mention how out of place it is narratively).
Edit: And yeah he was in saitama mode when he could harm saitama, but saitama was still outpacing him in terms of growth and being out that mode just gives saitama room to surpass him further even when retaining the power.
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Reason being?
That's not a given in fiction. In fact it's often not the case.
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Blast never harms Garou.
Do not post the screenshots of Blast punchs ripping something out of Garou's nonexistent mouth, that's a common thing used for punches even with Saitama
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Garou does indeed retain the power from what he copies
for example, he clearly retains techniques like the blast portals, but more importantly he takes serious punches left and right despite saitama's AD
also yeah the graph doesn't show him going down, it seems that he just retains the strength he copies
which is why he didn't have enough strength to take the zero punch since at that point he had only copied consecutive normal punches and then did the gamma ray burst
in other words Garou copies ultra instinct's mftl+ value and then speed blitzes goku with AD
gg dragon ball gets soloed
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Naturally.
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Blast gets fodderized by Garou and Saitama hard, he struggled to contain their full power and then the graph gives an estimated 64 times multiplier (far higher than this within literally a few seconds) higher than the serious punch ^2
After Garou copied Blast's techniques he had no more tricks up his sleeve really, except maybe since he can only copy the strength of one person they were planning to gang up on him and kill him before the AD could surpass all of their combined power
but blast by himself wouldn't stand a chance, Garou beats everyone except saitama in a 1 on one scenario
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In the panel after that we can see flakes chipped off of Garou floating around him as he heads into a portal, I'll circle the most obvious one. It's much different from the effect Murata likes to use when someone gets punched, not the first panel, that is very similar, but the second one is noticeably different. We can also see a clear formation in Garou's right cheek, where he was hit by Blast.
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It definitely effected Garou. He wouldn't be able to just pull a Senator Armstrong on Blast.
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yeah ngl, people kept saying Garou kept the physical stats of things he copied, but I don't remember that ever happening. He can clearly keep using hax/techniques he copies/sees, but i don't recall seeing something that specifically says he permanently keeps the physical stats of copied people in particular
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He does. Otherwise he wouldn’t have stopped using Saitama mode when he and Saitama were first sent to Io and he wouldn’t say the techniques he copied are perfected while not using Saitama mode after the CNP clash against Saitama on Earth.
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Came here to say, it actually doesn't, it's contact based.
You're conflating it piercing the skin and it inducing the effect as being required for each other. It isn't, it just so happens to have a projectile that pierces when it uses poison, it's no different than various other contact based poisons, hell we even see it with Star Platinum who merely plucking it out of the air was afflicted with the poison, melting his hand, Jotaro even says himself, just touching it activated the poison.
Not to say anything about the match, vs matches in general sus.
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this is reverse burden of proof by the way, I shouldn't even have to explain why he keeps powers
the mode: saitama isn't even a literal mode as Garou explained before doing it the first time, he just calls it mode because it sounds cool
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There is no room to deny that Garou keeps the power he copies.
Garou could tell Saitama wasn’t using his full power after copying Saitama’s CNP and so he decided to kill Genos to bring out Saitama’s full power and copied said power. Afterwards, he chose not to use Saitama mode anymore because he wasn’t aware Saitama’s power grew exponentially until after the table flip and thus decided to stay in Saitama mode to continuously copy Saitama’s power once he realized Saitama is getting stronger during the fight.
Garou could tell Saitama wasn’t using his full power after copying Saitama’s CNP and so he decided to kill Genos to bring out Saitama’s full power and copied said power. Afterwards, he chose not to use Saitama mode anymore because he wasn’t aware Saitama’s power grew exponentially until after the table flip and thus decided to stay in Saitama mode to continuously copy Saitama’s power once he realized Saitama is getting stronger during the fight.
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Low end
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For the moon feat? I would've went with mid end tbh.
Edit: Wait the PS and Garou timeframe is the low end, not mid anymore, nvm.
PS: Don't forget to factor in the gravity difference there and on Earth.
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A couple of weeks ago I tried to change Garou's powers and abilities section in my sandbox back to the regular non-list style and the way most of his powers and abilities descriptions are linked makes the non-list style a confusing ocean of blue text. It could be made to look normal but that would take time. the time that I, unfortunately, do not have.
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Which calc?
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One-Punch Man: Saitama and Garou Jump Around Io
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All of them blitzed his reaction speed. I don't see an issue with it.
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That'd increase the calc massively. But aight.
240468121.11908 meters travelled. Subsonic timeframe
240468121.11908/0.0292= 8235209627.37 m/s Saitama's apparent speed
2600 m/s escape velocity of Io.
1.45288 m/s apparent speed of debris (Walking speed bare minimum)
(Object's true speed / Object's apparent speed) * Person's Apparent speed = Person's True speed
(2600 / 1.4) * 8235209627.37= 1.5293961e+13 m/s or 51015.16263 times FTL (MFTL+)
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of course they went with the low end
I lose faith in this process every time it happens istg
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Well what other end would they go with? The low end works as a minimum, it can't really be lower than that, and the two higher ends work in the assumptions that can't really be proven true concretely.
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The accepted low-end was the mid-end before but we changed it because the first low-end was a completely unreasonable low-ball.
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(I know)
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Would this be more accurate?
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well that's certainly a good middle end
well yes, considering that the low end is likely massively far off of what it really would be (thanks no calc stacking rule) the higher it is the more accurate it is
but what matters is if the math checks out
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Izzy, wrestling, jujutsu, ground game, all those words that I mentioned should not be in the same sentence lol. Izzy has good defense simply due to his body build but he’s always fought shorties. And a 59 y/o Anderson silva(only tall guy). Izzy “wins” 4 rounds via points, but in the 5th round pereira shoots a fake double leg and hits izzy with a left hook and sleeps him.
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Do you think there is calc stacking in the low-end?
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There's no calc involved, calc stacking would being using the FTL calc derived from that timeframe, and using THAT as the new timeframe for this calc. Simply using the timeframe given in canon that applies to his reactions isn't calc stacking, it's not very different than using a stated speed or perception or what not imo.
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It’s still an mma fight Izzy hasn’t used his ground game because everyone he has fought up until this point has had better grappling.
Izzy most likely has far better grappling than pereira, if Izzy feels he is in trouble on his feet he’ll go for a take down. People never expected Ngannou to use wrestling against Gane but we saw what happened.
Pereira has not incorporated wrestling into his combos like that. He is still very much a kickboxer with the take down defense in his back pocket.
Both of their striking has impoved since they last fought. This is not a clear cut fight by any means. If pereira ends up having better striking Izzy can use his grappling because Pereira still has a lot less grappling training than Izzy. pereira could end up countering Izzy’s grappling or Izzy could just out point him for 5 straight rounds. It’s 50/50
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like chariot said, there's absolutely none in it
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