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well if time itself is destroyed then that'd be like destroying space
in the sense that it isn't something tangible that can be interacted with, so it'd be more like a complicated EE or spatial manipulation
1. According to Minowski, which this site at least partially bases its tiering system on, space and time are not the same so calling it spatial manipulation is incorrect. In fact, you yourself pointed it out didn't you? Regardless if it's 1 spatial dimension, 2 spatial dimension, time still exists, so how can they be the same?

Basically, in Minowski space-time, space is not a tangible construct either but the position of an object needed to be described relative to the environment or other entities. It is the measurement of the subjective nature of locality.

Time is the measurement of motion relative to the environment or other entities. It is the measurement of the subjective nature of motion where "motion" is the distance between events.

These two concepts only merge when the factor of the speed of light is taken into consideration (thus E=mc^2).

Or at least that's how I understand it.

2.I'm not sure I fully understand your previous point.

How does time manipulation being hax mean it has a lower AP.

In destroying all of space you're only destroying the distance covered by the universe in a single instant or event.

However, in destroying the time you're destroying the distance between of all the universes that exist in a set of events including the universes themselves which would of course require a higher AP.

3. It's hax usually only in that space-time is either created or destroyed. In fiction, most universe busting feats are performed by a sudden release of energy. Even creation feats do so (such as Bernkastel and Lambada creating universes as a result of their collisions).

4. To further prove that space and time are different I want to point towards the dimensions of quantities.

Time has one dimension, being the equivalent of length. Space doesn't, it has length, width, and height.

I hope I managed to explain it all properly.
 
Anything exceeding 2-C seems unlikely unless the setting is expanded to include a complex cosmology. Even God being stated to be higher-dimensional wouldn’t automatically make him Low 1-C.
 
Would be funny if saitama somehow reached tier 1 in the most simple way possible and managed to stomp haxlord characters that have like 5 novel chapters just describing how complex and potent their hax are.
 
Anything exceeding 2-C seems unlikely unless the setting is expanded to include a complex cosmology. Even God being stated to be higher-dimensional wouldn’t automatically make him Low 1-C.
I agree, I do strongly believe that Saitama will become Low 2-C though. The cosmic levels of power that Murata set up with these recent chapters are leading towards an insane conclusion that will probably affect the entire cosmos
 
the only way for saitama to be outer is for it to be superior to god, who was said to have created the divine plane, which is where all concepts and forms of existence come from.
concepts such as power, freedom, infinity, space, time, dimensionality, mathematics, numbers, will, fear, despair, good, evil, justice * saitama punch god and breaks the divine plane *then god transforms into his final form, where he is completely strange and irregular, where it is very difficult to determine his form because he constantly changes (deforms into many forms,being a blob,a large being,or a weird spaghetti)then god say:
GOD:humans do not understand, their desires are powerful, if someone has a great will and a great desire, that desire can be fulfilled, but it is a double-edged sword, which can be good and bad, since they can lose control and being evil beings, evil exists as a constant, but good exists beyond evil, but evil is greater than good, because it is easier to do evil.
saitama: SHUT UP, no matter what concept, right or wrong,good or evil,not matter,
you are wrong, because you think you are a god
GOD: I don't think so, I'm a god.
saitama: a god is not someone bad, who kills people, a god, does nothing, lets people be free and do whatever they want
 
Imagine if GOD has a real name and it's something cute like "Nyannyansuke" or something similar.
I have enough with sucker for love, with nyanlatotep, the real name of god would be:
kajikajin kakuru no kami deri no shine jupiter uchu jigen(I made it up)
 
Yeah I figured an argument could be made since he could touch the hyperspace gates and was inside pf the timestream itself.
that reminds me when sonic managed to restore the concept of space-time and running colors, no hax, they specifically said running
 
Anything tier 1 in OPM is gonna be from sci-fi babble hype text that will be too vague and non substantial for the vs debate scene but seem very powerful and OP to the average reader.
why specifically would it be vague? bro, you would need to have much more than that to be lazy, one thing is to imply it indirectly, and another is to say it to your face and not that you don't read
 
Anything tier 1 in OPM is gonna be from sci-fi babble hype text that will be too vague and non substantial for the vs debate scene but seem very powerful and OP to the average reader.
Not to mention a lot of stuff requires very precise wording to reach tier 1. Even if OPM got arguably tier 1 stuff chances are one of the words used to describe the cosmology has a synonim that is used in japanese 51% of the time that bumps it back to tier 2. (That happens to a lot of japanese verses btw.)
 
why specifically would it be vague? bro, you would need to have much more than that to be lazy, one thing is to imply it indirectly, and another is to say it to your face and not that you don't read
It wouldn’t be intentional vague. I would think most people think mentioning something like dimensions or 4th dimension sounds impressive by itself and I don’t believe ONErata are exceptions.

Though Murata is a MCU/marvel comics fan and a self-admitted DB fan so maybe he would get ideas if more mainstream stuff starts getting more and more into the idea about hyper-dimensional stuff in the future.
 
It wouldn’t be intentional vague. I would think most people think mentioning something like dimensions or 4th dimension sounds impressive by itself and I don’t believe ONErata are exceptions.

Though Murata is a MCU/marvel comics fan and a self-admitted DB fan so maybe he would get ideas if more mainstream stuff starts getting more and more into the idea about hyper-dimensional stuff in the future.
make sense to me
 
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