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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

ByAsura said:
They have no room for growth because they've become monsters who've reached the limits of their growth, i.e their limiter. She's trying to overcome that Limiter, but only Orochi (FTL Orochi?) has been successful.

Which doesn't make sense. Actually breaking a limiter would mean surpassing it.

Also, Limiter isn't just about reaching a stage of power, it's a state of being pushed that allows an individual to overcome this growth rate and gain explosively high amps.
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The Limiter is basically the Plateau Effect :

  • "No matter how much effort one puts in, every living being has an intrinsic limit to its growth. Too much power becomes unbearable and overwhelms its host, turning it into a mindless, rampaging monster. To ensure that we do not enter the realm where we lose all purpose and reason, God has set limits to the growth of every being. The mechanism with which growth is controlled is called the limiter."
The webcomics version too show it well :
Ts2mA.jpg

Here a video for lazy heads who just want to know what it is :
 
Tural2004 said:
We clearly have different interpretions of this. A few pages back it is said Garou should experience the death as a human to become a true monster. Just becoming monster like others isn't enough because they can't surpass limits at all. Gyoro tries to surpass that limiter by making supposedly "true monster" from a human.
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She's done this to both humans and monsters alike. Nothing suggests that, whether he's a human or a monster, the process of this forged-by-fire stuff would be any different, just more efficient.

Also, Gyoro suggests Monsterification is different to becoming a 'true monster', just that it accelerates the process.
Tural2004 said:
What the heck. That growth is what leads to reaching the limiter. The limiter itself is static. Garou had many explosive growths before reaching to his limiter.
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Reaching, not surpassing. That's an entirely different process. Nothing suggests Garou needs to reach his limiter in order to begin to surpass it.

Those explosive growths could very easily be explained by his own natural growth rate. She suggests he's not anything like Orochi yet.

Edit: She says it's 'another wall'. He hasn't overcome his limiter here.
UeTa said:
The Limiter is basically the Plateau Effect :

  • "No matter how much effort one puts in, every living being has an intrinsic limit to its growth. Too much power becomes unbearable and overwhelms its host, turning it into a mindless, rampaging monster. To ensure that we do not enter the realm where we lose all purpose and reason, God has set limits to the growth of every being. The mechanism with which growth is controlled is called the limiter."
The webcomics version too show it well :
Ts2mA.jpg

Here a video for lazy heads who just want to know what it is :
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I know. That's what I'm saying it is.
 
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On a more important note, Orochi actually did surpass his limiter.

I'd say this definitely warrants a possibly, at least.
 
Beside all this limiter stuff. Do you guys know if the CRT about Boros CSRC was made?
 
It doesn't seem like it.

Has a consensus been made on which end we'll use?
 
ByAsura said:
On a more important note, Orochi actually did surpass his limiter.

I'd say this definitely warrants a possibly, at least.
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Not really, Genus confirmed us that becoming a monster isn't breaking or surpassing your limiter. You are just reborn with a new one.
I guess it is the same with the "Zenkai" boost Gyoro Gyoro do to Orochi. Since he just became even more monstrous.
 
UeTa said:
Not really, Genus confirmed us that becoming a monster isn't breaking or surpassing your limiter. You are just reborn with a new one.
I guess it is the same with the "Zenkai" boost Gyoro Gyoro do to Orochi. Since he just became even more monstrous.
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No, it just accelerates someone to the limits ordained by their Limiter.

Gyoro Gyoro attempted to break this limiter on humans and monsters by effectively killing them. All attempts were unsuccessful except Orochi. Orochi has broken his personal Limiter and experienced an explosive burst of growth.
UeTa said:
Low - High-End. Or 5-B
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You might want to make a calc group discussion to get a singular end, then.
 
Oh, my mistake. My concentration is a little divided at the moment.

You can make the thread, if you want (though I probably won't participate).
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Could this be used to upgrade saitama to mountain level? https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/917231036251930657/969036449464844288/page_40.png
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Unfortunately no. It's too much of an outlier to be applied. Everything else contradicts Saitama even being near city level, let alone mountain level. Maybe Garou-Fight Saitama's durability in specific can be boosted to mountain level, but that's the most I could see.
 
Regarding the limiter convo above, “surpassing/breaking the limiter” is not the same as “removing the limiter”.

Orochi and Garou break their limiters and get explosively stronger, but still hit new limits, which they can break again.

Monsters in general just transform and get NEW limiters with their monster bodies.

Saitama has no limiter. It’s gone. Removed. He can train and get stronger and stronger and never hit that limit like Garou or Orochi does.

So you can’t exactly scale them just because they all vaguely are tied to the concept of limiters.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Regarding the limiter convo above, “surpassing/breaking the limiter” is not the same as “removing the limiter”.

Orochi and Garou break their limiters and get explosively stronger, but still hit new limits, which they can break again.

Monsters in general just transform and get NEW limiters with their monster bodies.

Saitama has no limiter. It’s gone. Removed. He can train and get stronger and stronger and never hit that limit like Garou or Orochi does.

So you can’t exactly scale them just because they all vaguely are tied to the concept of limiters.
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But Saitama can't get stronger anymore ever since he became bald because he has nothing to gain with weak opponents. Hopefully, god can make Saitama get stronger while Saitama is not holding back his strength anymore if both fight in the future.
 
When did Saitama say he couldn’t get stronger?

And if he can’t, it’s probably because the best workout he could possibly come up with nowadays would only add infinitely marginally small increases to his girthy power.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
When did Saitama say he couldn’t get stronger?

And if he can’t, it’s probably because the best workout he could possibly come up with nowadays would only add infinitely marginally small increases to his girthy power.
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I got from the description on the profile and forgot what chapter he said it
 
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
Didn't Saitama said he can't get any stronger anymore than that?
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Plateau effect stuff. He doesn't have limits so he can't get any stronger. He just is.

Edit to explain with number :
(That's random number, possibly exponential depending on your views of the thing)
  • Boros power is 8, Released Boros was 12. And Meteoric was, 18. So 18 would be his max power. And a "finite" number.
  • But Saitama doesn't have "limits".
    • His strength can basically scale to 1 to any finite number. And we know that this doesn't scale to strength only. He can learn supernatural abilities too :
  • Like telepathy or the power to literally shatter and enter another dimension separate from normal time. (Pheonix space) If we theorize: since we know that OPM's endgame is probably going to include some cosmic b*llshit with God. I wouldn't be surprised if Saitama would even be able to unlock the abilities to hit with infinite strength in a single blow.
From what we know too. He only seems to gets these supernatural abilities when he needs them. (Entering Pheonix's space, listening to Child Emperor and Phoenix Man thoughs discussion) So that still fit with the Plateau effect stuff. (surpassing your "limits")
  • T̶o̶o̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶a̶b̶i̶l̶i̶t̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶r̶e̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶n̶e̶y̶,̶ ̶f̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶.̶ ̶H̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ a ̶u̶n̶c̶o̶n̶s̶c̶i̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶e̶d̶e̶d̶.̶
 
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Even if Saitama in theory had massively better Reactive evolution than Garou and could keep evolving ad infinum it would still be useless for him if nothing in his verse can strain him at all.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
By AC I assuming you're referring to awakened cockroach.

it's been discussed before. It's aim dodging.
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But him being able to "aimdodge" Sol attacks should be noted on his profile, similar to how Spider-Man is MHS+ but is noted as having Relativistic + reactions.
 
Yeah, the spider sense is a different thing than AC's danger senses or whatever they're called.

Whatever AC has is just precog
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Spider-Man’s Spider-Sense isn’t a good example because that legitimately amplifies his perception speed.
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Not really, it just tells him when danger is nearby, and compels his body to react. It's pretty much word for word AC's ability, the only difference is that Spidey's Spider Sense has a wider range of things it can detect.
 
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