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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Six_fold_god said:
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I know when fighting Boros, he puts more effort into it.
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Saitama is similar to Jiren, he only punches with enough force to incapacitate, kill or obliterate the target. So yeah, he isn't punching a 9-B monster with a 6-B or High 6-A punch. The stronger his foes are, the more effort he puts into his punches.

We don't know if he punched Carnage Kabuto harder than he punched Rover.
 
Kin201 said:
We don't know if he punched Carnage Kabuto harder than he punched Rover.
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Likely CK tbh. As he didn't outright kill Rover, as well as the fact that going by the scaling chain Rover should around the level of asura CK
 
Kin201 said:
Saitama is similar to Jiren, he only punches with enough force to incapacitate, kill or obliterate the target. So yeah, he isn't punching a 9-B monster with a 6-B or High 6-A punch. The stronger his foes are, the more effort he puts into his punches.

We don't know if he punched Carnage Kabuto harder than he punched Rover.
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He didn't expect the attack to end in one blow in early in series. You can tell by looking at the Vaccine Man. It's proof that he doesn't Intentionally try attacks that will kill monster instantly
 
I'd also say it's more like he puts a certain amount of effort into his punches, unless he explicitly doesn't want to kill something (Fubuki's guards and Snek come to mind), rather than outright limiting his strength.

Also, he did expect Boros to die in one shot, so he probably used about as much effort as he had with prior monsters, whom he whined about one-shotting. But that's complete speculation on my part.

To be honest, not even the authors have attempted to give Saitama some form of baseline punch level, though, so we shouldn't either. It's obvious that he can go from Small Building level to Multi-Continent level punches at a whim.
 
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ByAsura said:
Not even the authors have attempted to give Saitama some form of baseline punch level, though, so we shouldn't either.
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Exactly. Also we kinda already do that

ByAsura said:
Also, he did expect Boros to die in one shot, so he probably used about as much effort as he had with prior monsters. But that's complete speculation on my part.
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This isn't completely unreasonable, he was kinda surprised that Boros survived. Implying Boros may be more powerful than he thought or more powerful than previous monsters. Not 100 percent sold on either imo
 
The author probably intended the degree to saitama puts his best effort into an opponent who lacks Impress(below above dragon) when his one-punch fails or misses. Otherwise, their survival is simply a failure of Saitama's power control, which leads to the reader's overestimation to Saitama's mistaken and is very strange.
 
@Six_fold Could you make some of that comment more legible, please? Sorry, but it's a little hard to understand.
Emirp sumitpo said:
Exactly. Also we kinda already do that
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IK, the point is more that we shouldn't fix what's not broken.

Speaking of Boros, why would launching someone scale to his own speed? The kick explicitly surrounds people with energy that eliminates friction.
 
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ByAsura said:
Speaking of Boros, why would launching someone scale to his own speed? The kick explicitly surrounds people with energy that eliminates friction
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We had a whole discussion about that a while back. But basically according to the calc guys, Boros' speed would need to logically scale to the speed he throws things at due to some mathematical reason I forgot. It apparently actually yielded Boros being FTL, but was ditched as the method couldn't work at relativistic speeds, so they just placed Boros as At least relativistic+

As for the feat itself, this is the OG scan where it comes from. It's stated that he kicked Saitama at near light speed. While his energy is what prevented Saitama's clothing from burning. Neither is related to the other and your source is likely just faulty at trying to explain it

Plus the feat itself is already relativistic using the anime timeframe and ignoring the scan alone
 
It's probably some bunk logic like the amount of KE moving his legs being equal to the amount of KE he needs to run, or something.

It said his clothes don't get burned from the heat of friction, suggesting it cancels friction.
 
ByAsura said:
It said his clothes don't get burned from the heat of friction, suggesting it cancels friction.
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How does it correlate to Boros launching Saitama to the moon tho?

Boros energy does cancel the friction , yes, but it's not stated anywhere that his energy is the thing that sent Saitama to the moon at near SOL.

The scan doesn't place the 2 things as related
 
ByAsura said:
@Six_fold Could you make some of that comment more legible, please? Sorry, but it's a little hard to understand.

IK, the point is more that we shouldn't fix what's not broken.

Speaking of Boros, why would launching someone scale to his own speed? The kick explicitly surrounds people with energy that eliminates friction.
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Well, I mean, if any monster can withstood or dodge his punches. Of all the punches Saitama threw at monsters that he didn't recognize as strong(Except Boros and garou), it's better to judge it as the strongest punch. Otherwise, the scene is happen due to Saitama's failure to control his power and know monster power. It's hard to believe that the author created a scene where Saitama's punches miss or fail to kill the enemy simply to display such a ridiculous mistake scene.
 
@Emirp My point is that it's not even a normal kick, so we shouldn't treat it like that.

@Six_fold We have reason not to treat it like that, though. Namely the fact that A) he can control his power, and B) we've never even seen his strongest punch because he's never put in that much effort. Even his serious punches don't come close to his maximum power.
 
ByAsura said:
My point is that it's not even a normal kick, so we shouldn't treat it like that.
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It's not exactly some kinda super move either tho. OPM always likes to label it's own special attacks or techniques. The fact that the moon launch kick didn't have any of that implies that it isn't a super move of any sorts but just a regular one.
 
It not being a super move means nothing. If it were just a regular super move, that might actually lend some credibility to its speed, but it doesn't.
 
ByAsura said:
@Emirp My point is that it's not even a normal kick, so we shouldn't treat it like that.

@Six_fold We have reason not to treat it like that, though. Namely the fact that A) he can control his power, and B) we've never even seen his strongest punch because he's never put in that much effort. Even his serious punches don't come close to his maximum power.
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I mean maximun strength of his casual power(when fight below above dragon monster)

If he does control his powers against monsters, why didn't he expect that he would end the Vaccine Man in one hit?

And why does he disappointment the outcome? He obviously had a chance not to end the monster in one blow if he controlled power.
 
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I disagree with that logic too, because it kind of assumes he'd know his enemy's strength to begin with. For example, Saitama is treated as so strong that he doesn't really even recognise Genos' boosts as anything more than a slight amp.

Also, why would he—someone who's grown quite careless due to his seemingly bottomless strength—even put in enough care to cap off his power at an extremely specific strength level like that against such a wide array of opponents?
 
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ByAsura said:
I disagree with that logic too, because it kind of assumes he'd know his enemy's strength to begin with. For example, Saitama is treated as so strong that he doesn't really even recognise Genos' boosts as anything more than a slight amp.

Also, why would he—someone who's grown quite careless due to his seemingly bottomless strength—even put in enough care to cap off his power at an extremely specific strength level like that against such a wide array of opponents?
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Well, I think there was a misunderstanding. I'm sorry.

And the maximum power was a controversial statement, so it was a bit lacking to express my words. My argument is similar to your opinion on Armored Boros. He put the same amount of effort what he put on his enemies below above-dragon monster he's ever faced when fought orochi and armord boros
 
Yeah, on that we can agree. To be perfectly clear, my exact and explicit sentiment is that there's no exact or purposeful limit Saitama places on his own power.
 
Anyone going to do a sperm tsunami calculation? At least someone?

If at least someone does not do it in the near future, then I will do it myself.
 
ImposingTiger said:
Seth just dropped a video on Goku vs Saitama. The result was quite obvious, but it made me appreciate even more the Boros fight.
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I felt hype when he was talking about Boros vs Saitama especially that part where he said "The hero nobody knows vs The villain nobody knows and a battle no one will see"
 
JirensMom said:
I felt hype when he was talking about Boros vs Saitama especially that part where he said "The hero nobody knows vs The villain nobody knows and a battle no one will see"
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Were you the guy who commented that on yt? There was someone who said the exact same lmao
 
It's pretty convenient that the accepted end is Mountain level+.
 
So I guess do we still need HE to have a possibly higher key? Now that he's relative to Gouketsu's level
 
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I confused it with some other method, sorry. That's fine then.
 
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Alright... I haven't been getting notifications here but I want to say there are many, many changes from the CRT left that I didn't have time to implement. Here's a copy and paste from the low tier CRT:

The remaining points of contention are: if we should use the updated Kombu Infinity calc and if we should use the updated Dave calc.

As of tomorrow, I will not have consistent internet access for the next three months, so I will be handing control of implementing the changes to @Emirp sumitpo (yes I know he can't see this ping) since he seemed okay with that. Pretty much everything is agreed upon and the changes look like this:

C-class level: 9-B, superior to child Saitama according to widespread community agreement. Base Gearsper and Tanktop Tiger scale, but they've been updated so no changes needed.

Baseline wolf level: Also 9-B, superior to c-class. Tongue Stretcher is already here so no changes needed.

Baseline B-class level: Still 9-B. (the blizzard group survived being tossed through a wall), Darkness Blade doesn't scale higher than this because bears aren't that high into wall level btw, so his justification should be changed. No other changes needed.

Piggy Bancon has already been updated.

Golden Ball and One-shotter should get their durability changed: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kulf_Boba/One-Punch_Man_-_Golden_Ball_durability

Baseline Tiger level: at least 9-B+, superior to Piggy Bancon. Personification of a Pull Light Cord scales here, his profile has been changed so no changes needed.

Wild Horn: 9-A, comparable to Wild Horn. Chain'N'Toad scales, but these two are updated so no changes needed.

Superfight level: 9-A, comparable or superior to Dave. Human Choze (upscales), Rosie (downscales). Changes needed for those profiles.

Support team level: 9-A, comparable to Jet Nice Guy. Jet Nice Guy obviously, Needle Star, Captain Mizuki, Shadow Ring, Narcisstoic, Feather, Twin Tail scale. Changes needed for all those profiles. Jet Nice Guy needs a profile.

Kombu Infinity: 9-A, Kombu and Spring Mustachio (base). Changes needed- pending on discussion.

Near S-class level: 8-B, Stinger, Death Gatling's Gatling, Snek, Lightning Max, Heavy Tank Fundoshi, Magic Trick Man, Great Philosopher. Changes needed for some of those profiles.

Baseline Demons: All scale further up into 8-B, being categorically superior to the Sky Folk who are tiger levels. Changes needed, justifications for 8-B AP should be changed, Sky folk need a profile. I have a sandbox for them already though: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ourosboros/sandbox.
 
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