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I mean as in real life, we're calculating this with IRL titanium, not fictional ones.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Character: Tanks big bang to the face
Same character: Haha, my skin is as strong as steel!
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Absolutely not lol, no real-life metal can take a concentrated attack of that magnitude. Obviously whatever it is is much stronger than titanium or any other real alloy
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Calcing destruction of such a large mass of titanium seems to yield 7-C results if 760 j/cc is the destruction value. In order to reach into low 7-B with this method, you'd have to use a material with a destruction value of 15000 j/cc assuming a 2 meter carapace width and a 4000 meter length, both of which are high-balling a little bit for pre-molt. In other words, there's no way anyone will get upgraded through this method
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Btw, is that marugori size thread dead?
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Yes, if the staff are generally opposed there's no way we can move forward with the changes. Since Beefcake's canon size will probably downgrade him below baseline dragon, I suppose we'll have to just make him another "at least low 7-B".
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Question: I've heard people say that Orochi launched Saitama to a different city with his beam... as in like B City or C City or whatever. Looking at their battle, I got the impression the beam launched him into the metro area of Z city because that seems simpler while making just as much sense. Do you know where the idea that Saitama went to a different city comes from?
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Imagine a verse where the more impressive sounding the material, the weaker it is, and the less impressive it sounds, the stronger it is. For example, people with titanium skin is a jobber, and someone with paper skin is an absolute tank.
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She has to cause pain for her hax to work. Bug God didn't even feel Royal Ripper's blade being launched at his face at double power.
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Uh a while back I noticed the height for the mountain top Genos destroyed was a good bit lower than what it would actually be, since they reach the clouds. I doubt that would take anyone to low 7-B but it should but them higher into High 7-C.
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Honestly I feel we may have lowballed the Genos feat too much in fear of it being deemed an outlier again.
I can see in the original calc the main reason why it reached such bizarrely high results was because it was vaporization of 7 kilometer high mountains. lol
I can see in the original calc the main reason why it reached such bizarrely high results was because it was vaporization of 7 kilometer high mountains. lol
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I thought he got shot through underground, like I remember some people saying he shot Saitama to earth's core or something
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Well that's an oof
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Carnage Kabuto's databook page got translated and one of the entries states: "On a physical level, he possesses abilities that are in an incomparably higher league than the monsters so far." Carnage Kabuto> Beefcake and Vaccine Man?
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Didn't people already place CK above them? At least Beefcake.
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I've seen people place CK around the same level as Vaccine Man and Beefcake or above/below them. But going by this statement from the databook he could be interpreted to be above them. CK is currently At least low 7-B, Possibly 7-A+ so using this statement he could be bumped up to At least 7-B, Possibly 7-A+ scaling above Vaccine Man and Beefcake. This would also make people like Darkshine and Bang scale higher as well.
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Eh, I'm not sure tbh. Like it would be yes as this is a official source, but I'm not sure if it's reffering to every single dragon thus far. I'm more or less neutral towrds this, but leaning towards yes.
BTW, those who scale to CK are Darkshine, Half Monster Garou and all the above dragons tho they already scale to much higher characters so whatever.
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Bang should not scale at all, as he could not harm darkshine in the slightest. At best, Bang could only knock him down.
Bang only outskills Darkshine
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We might need to change some of the justifications on Bang's profile if that's the case.
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He is physically stronger than VM, but I'm sure his AP doesn't even come close to VM's energy attacks.
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Vaccine Man's energy blasts should be comparable to his dura, just like how his AP should be comparable to his durability by default. There isn't anything to contradict this.
And even if vaccine man was a glass cannon, CK should still scale as the guidebook does claim him to be stronger, it does not specify physical strength or anything
And even if vaccine man was a glass cannon, CK should still scale as the guidebook does claim him to be stronger, it does not specify physical strength or anything
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Oh I thought it was physical strength.
VM could be a glass cannon for all we know. And no, his AP doesn't necessarily scale to his durability.
VM could be a glass cannon for all we know. And no, his AP doesn't necessarily scale to his durability.
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Except it does by default unless contradicted. Literally on the durability page:
Logically, characters capable of physically achieving a certain degree of energy output, must be able to at least withstand a comparable amount of damage, or their bodies would break apart from the strain and automatic counterforce, whenever they exert themselves.
Vaccine Man has shown nothing to prove he's a glass cannon. So until there's evidence of such, his durability scales to his AP.
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Interesting development about the translation:
This is from the databook right? The databook where Atomic "turns into a demigod when angered" and Flash is stated to be lightspeed? If it's the same databook, I don't think we could use it for an upgrade since we haven't considered it reliable elsewhere.
Or is it a different one? I get these mixed up all the time.
This is from the databook right? The databook where Atomic "turns into a demigod when angered" and Flash is stated to be lightspeed? If it's the same databook, I don't think we could use it for an upgrade since we haven't considered it reliable elsewhere.
Or is it a different one? I get these mixed up all the time.
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Didn't Murata say homeless man and vaccine man have the same energy? That shouldn't scale to dura
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1. Murata isn't fully reliable
2. He merely said that Vaccine man and HE have similar energy balls, as well as Choze, and choze isn't a glass cannon. So you clearly cannot compare Vaccine Man to HE
3. They all have different sources of power. HE from God, VM from nature and Choze from monstercells that come from Orochi
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Good question... why doesn't Homeless scale to Vaccine Man? He has "limitless" energy and all his feats so far have been completely casual, so even if they aren't 7-B in their own right (I feel that some are), I don't think it would be hard to imagine him replicating Vaccine Man's feats with some more effort.
Do we know that VM and HE are drawing energy from different sources? Nature might = God.
Do we know that VM and HE are drawing energy from different sources? Nature might = God.
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Looks to be a earlier one I guess? I feel like it should be a case by case. The Atomic, sweet mask and flash are likely all hyperbole as the main manga counterparts have shown nothing even remotely close to their statements
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VM balls just spawn though, same as HE. I'm not seeing how that can scale to dura.
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Because we have nothing to prove HE is equal to VM, and the whole thing comes from Murata, who again, isn't fully reliable, and when we need to take into account Choze, who isn't even treat level dragon.
Them being similar ttpes of energy balls does not equate to them being as powerful as one another
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Because there's nothing to draw connections between the 2 other than a not fully reliable statement, plus:
HE has contradictions whereas Vaccine Man does not
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Why say he isn't reliable when we use his statements to justify a lot of the characters on the wiki?
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We agreed to use Murata statements on a case by case basis, considering A) how reliable he is in this particular context B) if it is contradicted by other content in verse. And even if it's not contradicted it normally only merits a "possibly rating" because Murata may not be 100% reliable in most circumstances.
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We don't. We literally had a whole CRT that concluded that we should take not take Murata's statements as fully legit unless they are based upon or backed up by ONE, who is the main author. Murata even states that he isn't reliable, and some of his statements outright contradict stuff.
At best, it only earns a "possibly"
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Ah gotcha, we still don't know where vaccine man gets his energy from. Could be his body or nature itself. Too vague to scale to dura tbh
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As of now, it's his body because that is the logical reason, there's nothing to back that it's from nature, and that nature only gave birth to him. there's nothing to say he draws power from it.
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Withered sprout was a dragon in ability but weaker in dura.
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Whithered sprout isn't even close to a dragon. Plus ice abilities are different from energy balls
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Wasn't he considered dragon that chapter?
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No. He's only 8-B and threat level Unknown
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