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Looks to be a earlier one I guess? I feel like it should be a case by case. The Atomic, sweet mask and flash are likely all hyperbole as the main manga counterparts have shown nothing even remotely close to their statements
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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VM balls just spawn though, same as HE. I'm not seeing how that can scale to dura.
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Because we have nothing to prove HE is equal to VM, and the whole thing comes from Murata, who again, isn't fully reliable, and when we need to take into account Choze, who isn't even treat level dragon.
Them being similar ttpes of energy balls does not equate to them being as powerful as one another
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Because there's nothing to draw connections between the 2 other than a not fully reliable statement, plus:
HE has contradictions whereas Vaccine Man does not
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Why say he isn't reliable when we use his statements to justify a lot of the characters on the wiki?
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We agreed to use Murata statements on a case by case basis, considering A) how reliable he is in this particular context B) if it is contradicted by other content in verse. And even if it's not contradicted it normally only merits a "possibly rating" because Murata may not be 100% reliable in most circumstances.
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We don't. We literally had a whole CRT that concluded that we should take not take Murata's statements as fully legit unless they are based upon or backed up by ONE, who is the main author. Murata even states that he isn't reliable, and some of his statements outright contradict stuff.
At best, it only earns a "possibly"
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Ah gotcha, we still don't know where vaccine man gets his energy from. Could be his body or nature itself. Too vague to scale to dura tbh
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As of now, it's his body because that is the logical reason, there's nothing to back that it's from nature, and that nature only gave birth to him. there's nothing to say he draws power from it.
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Withered sprout was a dragon in ability but weaker in dura.
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Whithered sprout isn't even close to a dragon. Plus ice abilities are different from energy balls
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Wasn't he considered dragon that chapter?
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No. He's only 8-B and threat level Unknown
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I think the "suggested threat level" was what Smile Man was thinking when he got frozen. Withered Sprout is like a low demon in my opinion. Maybe even above tiger
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Wait a sec what about choze? His energy ball was stronger than his dura.
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He's also threat level unknown, but he's not a dragon, and his energy ball is not stronger than his dura. You just can't compare these 3 characters
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I only mentioned him because he draws his energy from an external source.
The reason I say it scales above his dura is because it took everything Suiryu just to deflect it. His void fist which he puts his all into blew a hole through Choze.
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Meh, Choze's durability is comparable to Suiryu's and Suiryu held the energy ball back with his own hands. I'm sure Suiryu/Choze could have tanked/deflected/otherwise responded to the energy ball if they were fighting in a vaccuum, but Suiryu had to do what he did in order to save those people
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Link?
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It scales somewhat above him, yes, but it's not significant enough that it's the same like HE. Choze could still physically harm and contend with Suiryu. He's clearly not a glass cannon
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Oh I don't think Choze is a glass cannon. I'm just ready for blast to destroy universal dimension.
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Choze made Suiryu bleed with his strikes but not his energy blast iirc
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I almost get the feeling GOD might just be a glass cannon like Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
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I think it just means the other monsters of the HoE.
I've always been of the opinion that he's on the same tier as Vaccine Man and Beefcake tho
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Also are we really arguing about Vaccine Man being a glass cannon? He tanks his own blasts.
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Yeah it could be that. It's not exactly clear what it is reffering, but it could just mean that it's referring to HOEmonsters and not monsters in general
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I don't recall that happening but I'll take your word for it, but his dura does scale as it does by default, and nothing contradicts it.
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That might be the case, but early in the paragraph CK is already stated to be the strongest fighter in the HoE. Why would they basically say the same thing twice in the next sentence.
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Hmm good observation. Maybe there is something to it.
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I guess a possibly or likely?
At least Low 7-B, possibly 7-B l At least Low 7-B, possibly 7-B to 7-A
At least Low 7-B, possibly 7-B l At least Low 7-B, possibly 7-B to 7-A
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I'd prefer more input on validity of the statement before applying tbh
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If anyone is questing if the databook is reliable or not. We use several statements from the book already like Mosquito Girl's telepathy having a range of 50 km, the meteor being abnormally durable, and info on the abilities of monsters who didn't get much screen time like Giant Crow and Groribas.
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Yes and no, some of the staff are keen on keeping the current calc. So likely no downgradr
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It's just a case by case basis basically. The reason we don't take any from the heroes is because a lot of their quotes are hyperbole
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Its funny that a lot of the entries for the heroes are hyperbole yet most of the entries on monsters seem to be reliable.
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His dura only scales to his PHYISCAL AP, not to his energy balls. He was only shown tanking his own blast once, and if I recall properly that crater was calced at 30 Kilotons some years ago, nothing like the explosion in the extra chapter, where we don't know what happened or the position he was in when the attack was produced.
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No? Many characters have their physicals scale to their energy attacks lol
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You can not prove VM's dura scales to his energy balls. It's like concentrated ki attacks in DBZ. VM's body works in a similar way. In conclusion, you can say CK is physically stronger than Beefacke or VM, but he shouldn't scale to the energy balls, that would be a risky assumption imo.
