STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[Alexander]

A month from now I think. Like August 22nd or something.

Mierda

 

[Tyranno223]

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Your profile pic really fits for this.

 

[Recon1511]

Good thing a PEAKSUS chapter is dropping in 4 days

 

[Epiccheev]

Hace la caca

 

[Alexander]

How many of you feel like powerscaling is more like a job?

 

[Engine]

I dunno, a few dozen kilometers, it doesn't really matter we know her range is in the hundreds.

I see, I just want to know the size comparison between that and the size of SC and EOW attack(double page spread)

 

[Recon1511]

 

[MrTayman616]

in what situations "They do not travel in straight lines" can be disregarded?

G4's lasers has been stated to be made of light, is a laser, "It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera , The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or..."

"It doesn't travel in straight lines" but these lasers are stated to be "diffuse laser" by the databook many times. Which shows the technology used for that robot is advanced to that point. also considering that it was only there for 1-2 chapters and it showed the functions of a laser, even using a steam to stop those lasers.

Also if anything, Genos got an upgrade and he got those lasers from G4. Can't this panel be used for a speed calculation for the lasers? it would seemingly be sub relativistic, sub relativistic +, maybe more. depending on the situation.

 

[Recon1511]

G4 lasers meet all guidelines except that it bends

It's stated to be a laser in the manga and databook

Its explicitly light, Genos counters it by dispersing it with moisture stating "Moisture disperses light". His whole strategy depends on the laser being actual light.

And it comes from a glass "camera" of sorts, G4 even had mini-glasswipers installed to clean the "camera" if it got dirty

 

[Qawsedf234]

G4 lasers meet all guidelines except that it bends

They have more anti-showings that were brought up before. They can be fired as bolts and they explode, which in addition to the multiple instance of bending and lack of speed consistency resulted in it being rejected.

 

[MrTayman616]

They have more anti-showings that were brought up before. They can be fired as bolts and they explode, which in addition to the multiple instance of bending and lack of speed consistency resulted in it being rejected.

isn't it because the laser emits extremely high heat? also if it explodes, imagine how many times it hit genos :d

 

[Qawsedf234]

isn't it because the laser emits extremely high heat?

No laser would explode concrete like that without carrying significantly more powerful than what was shown.

 

[MrTayman616]

No laser would explode concrete like that without carrying significantly more powerful than what was shown.

ooh. at first i thought you were talking about the fire extinguisher :d

is it an explosion though? many lasers are hitting it at the same time, wouldn't the vaporization of concrete release dust, steam etc?

 

[Epiccheev]

Considering God tiers are like FTL+ now, Mid-tiers being close to that would make scaling a lot weirder. (even if iirc the calcs put that Genos from Sub-relativistic to low end-Relativistic at best.)

 

[MrTayman616]

Considering God tiers are like FTL+ now, Mid-tiers being close to that would make scaling a lot weirder. (even if iirc the calcs put that Genos from Sub-relativistic to low end-Relativistic at best.)

it doesn't make this wrong though, also the speed basis for the God tiers rn is eh

 

[Quangotjokes]

They have more anti-showings that were brought up before. They can be fired as bolts and they explode, which in addition to the multiple instance of bending and lack of speed consistency resulted in it being rejected.

They aren’t exploding there, that’s the item they hit that’s exploding, if you look close you can see the lasers behind the explosion.

 

[Engine]

It's bothering that causality is mentioned many times yet no one has causality manipulation or a resistance to it. Can someone explain why?

 

[Engine]

G4 lasers meet all guidelines except that it bends

It's stated to be a laser in the manga and databook

Its explicitly light, Genos counters it by dispersing it with moisture stating "Moisture disperses light". His whole strategy depends on the laser being actual light.

And it comes from a glass "camera" of sorts, G4 even had mini-glasswipers installed to clean the "camera" if it got dirty

Speed feats coming from lasers are f up in every verse. Off course OPM has a very special case cause they tend to look on the anti feat rather than a several proofs and statements that proves it is. I would rather accept not putting the speed feat in profile if that is aim dodge.

 

[MrTayman616]

Speed feats coming from lasers are f up in every verse. Off course OPM has a very special case cause they tend to look on the anti feat rather than a several proofs and statements that proves it is. I would rather accept not putting the speed feat in profile if that is aim dodge.

while most seem to be aim dodging. there seem to be some cases where he dodges blind spot or via distance and etc.

They aren’t exploding there, that’s the item they hit that’s exploding, if you look close you can see the lasers behind the explosion.

oh there is also that. but i believe he says laser wouldn't cause an explosion when it hits concrete. it's not an explosion though. many lasers hits at once, vaporization of concrete release dust, steam etc.

also it hit another building as well. except there isn't so many lasers hitting the same exact point + no explosion/release of steam or something like that.

 

[Qawsedf234]

They aren’t exploding there, that’s the item they hit that’s exploding, if you look close you can see the lasers behind the explosion.

Lasers causing those explosions is still unrealistic. It's why all three points mentioned were considered anti-feats during the last CRT.

 

[MrTayman616]

Lasers causing those explosions is still unrealistic. It's why all three points mentioned were considered anti-feats during the last CRT.

it's not an explosion though. many lasers hitting the same point at once, lasers went right through it, vaporization of concrete release dust, steam etc.

also it hit another building as well. except there isn't so many lasers hitting the same exact point + no explosion/release of steam or something like that.

 

[Qawsedf234]

also it hit another building as well

That's a telephone pole, which it sliced through. When it hit something thicker it caused an explosion, which is evidence of an unrealistic property of a laser.

 

[MrTayman616]

That's a telephone pole, which it sliced through. When it hit something thicker it caused an explosion, which is evidence of an unrealistic property of a laser.

huh? i didn't mean the telephone pole. look at the left side of the page. it hits a building. also release of steam because of extreme heat because it causes the vaporization of concrete makes more sense, many lasers hit the same point at once after all, it's seem like release of dust/steam etc. also the fact that lasers went right through it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

. look at the left side of the page. it hits a building. also release of steam because of extreme heat because it causes the vaporization of concrete makes more sense

The top left panel is the laser hitting a water tank and you can see water flowing from that tank after it's been cut. If anything you pointed out another anti-feat because water falling in that timeframe doesn't make sense for a SoL attack.

 

[MrTayman616]

The top left panel is the laser hitting a water tank and you can see water flowing from that tank after it's been cut. If anything you pointed out another anti-feat because water falling in that timeframe doesn't make sense for a SoL attack.

what's below that is the building that seemingly also gets hit, the sharp part, though it might be genos's shirt too?

also still doesn't make it an explosion since we know one laser itself emits extreme heat. release of gas rather than an explosion seem to be way suitable here. murata also draw it in a way that shows gas rather than an explosion.

for the water falling, it's after the attack is already cut through it. not the exact moment it hits it, like the telephone pole. not necessarily an anti-feat.

 

[Qawsedf234]

though it might be genos's shirt too?

Yeah it's his shirt. It's the same color of gray as the rest of the jacket.

murata also draw it in a way that shows gas rather than an explosion.

It's a boom SFX when translated. It's just an explosion

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Good morning

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Where are the other 233 Qawsedf?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Where are the other 233 Qawsedf

I ate them and absorbed their power

 

[Quangotjokes]

Lasers causing those explosions is still unrealistic. It's why all three points mentioned were considered anti-feats during the last CRT.

Wouldn't it matter more what it hits rather than the result? The lasers are still exerting a force.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The lasers are still exerting a force.

Lasers are energized photons, which basically have no mass. For them to have that much impact on solid matter, the lasers would have to something like 10^15 to 10^20 joules of energy powering every beam.

It's why lasers pushing or exploding something is generally an anti-feat, since they need absurdly levels of power to replicate such a thing.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Lasers are energized photons, which basically have no mass. For them to have that much impact on solid matter, the lasers would have to something like 10^15 to 10^20 joules of energy powering every beam.

It's why lasers pushing or exploding something is generally an anti-feat, since they need absurdly levels of power to replicate such a thing.

But what about author intent? It has just as many anti feats as it does supporting feats.

 

[Qawsedf234]

But what about author intent?

Author intent has Watchdog Man move at 200 KPH, Garou moving at explicitly subsonic speed in his monster form and a ninja implying that a super sonic attack would be undodgeable to Flashy Flash. Virtually every speed given by OPM is very bad.

Also author intent could just be "He fires energy beams" without thinking about the consequences of something moving at Relativistic speeds.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Talking about the author's intention is bad, when we have subsonic garou doing Blitz in SP.

 

[MrTayman616]

Also author intent could just be "He fires energy beams" without thinking about the consequences of something moving at Relativistic speeds.

Couldn't be considering the many thing they showed within 2 chapters.

Also the explosion, it doesn't have to necessarily be one like that. Because in the end, one laser itself emits extreme heat. Many hits the same place at once, vaporization of concrete. it causes the explosion. It shouldn't be an anti feat here.

 

[MrTayman616]

Author intent has Watchdog Man move at 200 KPH, Garou moving at explicitly subsonic speed in his monster form and a ninja implying that a super sonic attack would be undodgeable to Flashy Flash. Virtually every speed given by OPM is very bad.

Also author intent could just be "He fires energy beams" without thinking about the consequences of something moving at Relativistic speeds.

oh also. can i ask something about this? genos sends very bright light from his core. then goes to saitama before light disappears. would it give him speed of light speed?

 

[Coomandar]

up

 

[Quangotjokes]

Author intent has Watchdog Man move at 200 KPH, Garou moving at explicitly subsonic speed in his monster form and a ninja implying that a super sonic attack would be undodgeable to Flashy Flash. Virtually every speed given by OPM is very bad.

Also author intent could just be "He fires energy beams" without thinking about the consequences of something moving at Relativistic speeds.

Wdm is consistent, not much travel speed feats in general in opm. The ninja just underestimated Flash, nothing new.

The laser was meant to be mftl

 

[Recon1511]

Speed feats coming from lasers are f up in every verse. Off course OPM has a very special case cause they tend to look on the anti feat rather than a several proofs and statements that proves it is. I would rather accept not putting the speed feat in profile if that is aim dodge.

Tf do you mean "aim dodging" this is a blatant dodge, you can see the motion lines of Genos dodging the lasers and his jacket being torn apart as he is grazed

 

[Golden_Void]

I mean, the issue there is that you have no population density figure there. The city has been mostly emptied by the plot, with entire sections completely uninhabited.

The scan in my previous post disproves the idea that no power flows through those cities just because the entire landscape was ruined. Whether or not those buildings/etc, are occupied has no bearing on the electricity source itself being present, functional, and flowing with power. The amount of power consumed will never exceed the amount of power provided.

Barring that, the entire Eastern USA seaboard, which houses 1/3rd of the population and total power generation, would only be High 7-C if you were to absorb all energy being generated in one second. The feat just isn't impressive for the tier they're at.

To address both points, adding up the square areas of the entire Eastern Seaboard gives 473,773.34 square miles, almost 2000 times bigger than Tokyo and 25 times bigger than Japan. The East Coast consumes 1,264 TWh annually (as far as 2014).

Tokyo makes the most sense here for the manga. It is the most dense city in Japan (which highly resembles OPM architecture), and City Z is packed like sardines with modern infrastructure.

In 2014, the US consumed 12k annually, compared to Japan's 6k. Tokyo has a population density of 6,158 people per square kilometer, 15941 people per square mile. The Eastern Seaboard's isn't worth mentioning in comparison.

City Z is basically an entire landmass of Tokyo. The math doesn't need to be done to know that City Z's consumption will yield much larger results than the entire Eastern Seaboard.

 

[Qawsedf234]

To address both points, adding up the square areas of the entire Eastern Seaboard gives 473,773.34 square miles, almost 2000 times bigger than Tokyo and 25 times bigger than Japan. The East Coast consumes 1,264 TWh annually (as far as 2014).

The point of the comparison is that a larger region with more power demands doesn't get you a higher tier. But you can just get the energy Tokoyo uses in one second to guess how much power Drive Knight theoretically tapped into.