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"If they have no resistance... they will all die" "Just being around means death."
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Shit talker angry little brat with massive ego is more enjoyable to watch for me than anything else
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Garou no longer has CFM, and even with it, he couldn't pull it off.
Saitama no longer has his memories from anything after the Gamma Ray Burst.
It is not anything that can be used anymore.
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just don't kill them or make blastvengers relevant by having them do the healing instead of having them disappear after redirecting the SS clash blast or using the highly advanced tech to heal everyone. Or something else besides time travel
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Nothing, she just saved not very importing character named Genos from certain death
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They've been dead for like 3 chapters now.
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I was gonna include that in parentheses but hoped everyone would just let it slide.
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Genos dying earlier wouldn't change much lmao. If anything it'll piss Saitama off earlier if he found out his fried died, and Saitama likely would've been more bloodlusted on the monsters.
If anything, her letting Genos die would actually probably prevent Garou from going cosmic, in a morbid way
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Zero confirmation they were dead before this chapter. They could've just been in the process of dying as far as we knew.
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Tareo was dead before Garou and Saitama were yeeted to space, cosidering he asked Saitama not to kill Garou just before dying, which likely happened before Saitama confronted Cosmic Garou for the second time.
Just pointing that out
CosmicWreck
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I hope Murata makes the Saitama vs Tatsumaki fight more interesting. It was surprisingly more boring than I thought it would be and kind of inconsistent.
Like, Tatsumaki, you can throw Saitama across the city but you can't lift him up?
Smh fiction logic.
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Saitama will never know about his death for a long time and God will give his power to Garou anyway
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He's got a pretty thick soul
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Not if Saitama accidentally kills Garou or beats his ass beforehand lmao. That and Garou wouldn't have anything to push Saitama to his absolute max without Genos
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That's according to the current chapter which confirmed he died. Before this chapter, no one thought has anyone died yet. I was just pointing out how the situation could've been resolved without time travel.
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Alexander is kinda like the Michael Julius of Vs Battles Wiki
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We know Saitama is gonna start remembering things from his fight with Garou at a super convenient time when he needs to.
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That is not what I said, you're taking my words and jumping to conclusions with them.
How does that hold relevance to what I said? Yeah, she heals people and summons barriers to give them limited protection, she's a support character. And that's the only genuinely significant role she's gotten. So mad over something like this.
Never mentions quick death, most interpreted it as meaning death over a period of time. I saw very, very few people in the community who thought they actually died already or that they would die very soon. Hell, Blast doesn't even seem bothered about it that much."If they have no resistance... they will all die" "Just being around means death."
You look at things from an in-universe perspective. What's important here isn't who in specific can use it at any given point. It's that the ability is now an established thing that could be used again in the future.
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Because of course that will happen.
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I would love to see how everyone would call it genius writing that was totally planned from the beginning and totally forshadowed
CosmicWreck
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Even in-spite of the number of plot holes. One of the most notable ones would be that Orochi would have completely different transformations just because of very short-term time reversal.
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"If the time travel copout was redrawn it'd be great"
This heavily indicates that you believe (could be not how you feel, just how you worded it) that the story would be fine if the time travel was omitted.
Like how Emirp noted, Tareo was confirmed dead, so I don't know why we shouldn't assume the same for everyone else, especially considering most of them were near death/injured beforehand (Tatsumaki, Flashy Flash, ect.).
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Thinking about it reversing time can literally fix anything, if I had that power I'd do a lot of terrible things
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Tareo was never confirmed dead before this chapter. At best he was only implied to be dead but pretty much no one believed that was true or what was shown.
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I said that not because the events themselves were good for the story, but because time travel is a lame answer authors use as a deus ex machina for bad things. There was no reason at all for ONE to specifically bring in a time reversal element at this point in the story. Was the laziest choice, not just because of how unoriginal and convenient it is, but also because it sets back on very important character progression which would have had a positive influence on the series.
He wasn't necessarily confirmed dead either. No one said it outright and all we could see was him on the ground with some blood pooling out. Like many of the Heroes, he looked like he could have just been incapacitated.
Although from a vs battles standpoint it's a pretty big deal. It means that Garou can kill people in seconds to minutes at max just from being within like 100 feet of them, hell maybe not even that.
CosmicWreck
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What even counts as a good deus ex machina?
A hero that just so happens to have the right ability to deal with Garou's radiation?
Metal Knight's sci fi technology?
They've all been done to death before not to mention, they all have their own drawbacks that would make their introduction to the story just as unlikely (like Metal Knight getting to them in time before they die of radiation poisoning).
I personally don't see why time travel is any less viable as a plot device.
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Yes and yes
Utilize the Blastvengers to teleport the heroes and civilians to metal knight and have them assist with the healing. Bam.
Or just have the Blastice League heal.
Two far better options that don't remove character development of the last 3 chapters (or put them on the back burner) and allow for more characterizations of characters we didn't see much of but know are important because of God shenanigans, unlike the time travel we have.
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Didn't say it should be a better deus ex machina (though even those scenarios you mentioned would be better than time reversal). There's no actual need for it to be one at all. None of the Heroes die but are all severely wounded and need an arduous recovery (with the exception of regenerators). Tareo could die and I don't think it would even be an awful narrative decision, albeit for OPM that's a bit too dark (I'm referring to an actual, permanent death). Genos is repaired but without his memories, or his memories were stored into his energy core. And with it, you could still keep the character development.
Until 168's confirmation of what happened, the events really weren't so bad that a deus ex machina, let alone time reversal, was actually needed just to recover the story. Again, it was just the laziest option, because it's easier to avoid all of that extra work in favor of the convenient time reversal.
CosmicWreck
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I kind of said it earlier but casual organ damaging radiation and life wiping attacks being survivable would damage my suspension of belief so I can't really view you guys' alternate options as being superior or agree that time travel was "unnecessary".
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And some bald guy reversing time by making his positive and negative molecules imitate each other is more believable than that?
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In the sense that it is the only viable method in the correction of a practically dead planet.
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Blast says "any", not "every", to be specific. I doubt Blast was saying that Garou would kill all life on the planet by unleashing an attack, just that he could if things went poorly. If that's what you're saying.
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I’m surprise you would think that considering Niichiran and TTM were able to survive without being healed for a while and was healed, considering their conditions.
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I don’t think the planet was dead yet considering Blast and his team weren’t particularly present or gave off that idea
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CosmicWreck
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He said "any" attack could endanger the existence of all living things and he reiterates that statement when he gated Garou's attack albeit in a different manner.
It's not so much that they were actually life wiping in the literal sense, mind you, but that the heroes and civilians shown hurt cannot possibly survive if the area of effect is even a fraction of what Blast is saying since they're so near.
That's basically the crux of why I wouldn't say your arguments are "better" since they assume their survival is a guarantee.
See above.
I don't really understand what you're trying to say here so I can't tell if this is relevant or not, or even who you're referring to. My apologies.
