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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Even in-spite of the number of plot holes. One of the most notable ones would be that Orochi would have completely different transformations just because of very short-term time reversal.
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"If the time travel copout was redrawn it'd be great"
This heavily indicates that you believe (could be not how you feel, just how you worded it) that the story would be fine if the time travel was omitted.
Like how Emirp noted, Tareo was confirmed dead, so I don't know why we shouldn't assume the same for everyone else, especially considering most of them were near death/injured beforehand (Tatsumaki, Flashy Flash, ect.).
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Thinking about it reversing time can literally fix anything, if I had that power I'd do a lot of terrible things
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Tareo was never confirmed dead before this chapter. At best he was only implied to be dead but pretty much no one believed that was true or what was shown.
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I said that not because the events themselves were good for the story, but because time travel is a lame answer authors use as a deus ex machina for bad things. There was no reason at all for ONE to specifically bring in a time reversal element at this point in the story. Was the laziest choice, not just because of how unoriginal and convenient it is, but also because it sets back on very important character progression which would have had a positive influence on the series.
He wasn't necessarily confirmed dead either. No one said it outright and all we could see was him on the ground with some blood pooling out. Like many of the Heroes, he looked like he could have just been incapacitated.
Although from a vs battles standpoint it's a pretty big deal. It means that Garou can kill people in seconds to minutes at max just from being within like 100 feet of them, hell maybe not even that.
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What even counts as a good deus ex machina?
A hero that just so happens to have the right ability to deal with Garou's radiation?
Metal Knight's sci fi technology?
They've all been done to death before not to mention, they all have their own drawbacks that would make their introduction to the story just as unlikely (like Metal Knight getting to them in time before they die of radiation poisoning).
I personally don't see why time travel is any less viable as a plot device.
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Yes and yes
Utilize the Blastvengers to teleport the heroes and civilians to metal knight and have them assist with the healing. Bam.
Or just have the Blastice League heal.
Two far better options that don't remove character development of the last 3 chapters (or put them on the back burner) and allow for more characterizations of characters we didn't see much of but know are important because of God shenanigans, unlike the time travel we have.
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Didn't say it should be a better deus ex machina (though even those scenarios you mentioned would be better than time reversal). There's no actual need for it to be one at all. None of the Heroes die but are all severely wounded and need an arduous recovery (with the exception of regenerators). Tareo could die and I don't think it would even be an awful narrative decision, albeit for OPM that's a bit too dark (I'm referring to an actual, permanent death). Genos is repaired but without his memories, or his memories were stored into his energy core. And with it, you could still keep the character development.
Until 168's confirmation of what happened, the events really weren't so bad that a deus ex machina, let alone time reversal, was actually needed just to recover the story. Again, it was just the laziest option, because it's easier to avoid all of that extra work in favor of the convenient time reversal.
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I kind of said it earlier but casual organ damaging radiation and life wiping attacks being survivable would damage my suspension of belief so I can't really view you guys' alternate options as being superior or agree that time travel was "unnecessary".
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And some bald guy reversing time by making his positive and negative molecules imitate each other is more believable than that?
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In the sense that it is the only viable method in the correction of a practically dead planet.
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Blast says "any", not "every", to be specific. I doubt Blast was saying that Garou would kill all life on the planet by unleashing an attack, just that he could if things went poorly. If that's what you're saying.
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I’m surprise you would think that considering Niichiran and TTM were able to survive without being healed for a while and was healed, considering their conditions.
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I don’t think the planet was dead yet considering Blast and his team weren’t particularly present or gave off that idea
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https://media.**********.net/attachments/994403135202283600/1001745637131423804/unknown.png?width=408&height=643
When is he getting Type 2 immortality?
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He said "any" attack could endanger the existence of all living things and he reiterates that statement when he gated Garou's attack albeit in a different manner.
It's not so much that they were actually life wiping in the literal sense, mind you, but that the heroes and civilians shown hurt cannot possibly survive if the area of effect is even a fraction of what Blast is saying since they're so near.
That's basically the crux of why I wouldn't say your arguments are "better" since they assume their survival is a guarantee.
See above.
I don't really understand what you're trying to say here so I can't tell if this is relevant or not, or even who you're referring to. My apologies.
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Hm, edited. The previous rendition of my argument sounded too much like a strawman.
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That explanation would be viable if we seen neighboring cities being affected instead just the heroes and civilians near the S-class.
You said organ radiation damage and life wiping attacks being survivable would damage your suspension of belief but I am surprised you believed that when we have had characters who should be dead (Niichiran and TTM) yet lived and were healed.
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I already edited that comment, yes as I also found that it was too exaggerated to be a viable argument though I feel like you're not taking the full scale into consideration.
I'm not sure who you're referring to, but it would still rely on the premise that they would survive long enough to receive treatment and other similar happenings.
Your arguments, for example, don't take into consideration the idea that Blast didn't come back to help the others by taking them to somewhere they can recover, or evacuate them as he was considering doing to the other civilians is basically because they were already too far gone to be helped if not outright dead as they were revealed to be.
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I believe I am aware of the full scale as it’s presented.
In order to subscribe to you explanation, ONErata would’ve made sure there were panels that backed up the idea that Blast believed that everyone was already too far gone to be helped but there aren’t any. And considering Tatsumaki was there, someone we know Blast cared for alot, I doubt he wouldn’t have tried to do something.
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But he didn't do anything, is the point. This chapter is in itself a confirmation of this assumption. She is indeed already dead.
As other users have already explained it was quite clear Garou was killing everyone just by his presence. The only difference between this chapter and the last is that it was confirmed cell death was occurring at a far more rapid rate than we expected, which kind of throws the whole "metal knight can just wip up something" into question.
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This discussion is about alternatives that would’ve been better had time travel not have existed in this chapter or this chapter had not existed. Before this chapter, no one believed anyone died and Blast certainly didn’t show worry over anybody being dead yet. Metal knight wiping up something was a fine alternative that could’ve happened before this chapter released.
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Quick question, did god give garou a fraction of his power?
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Well, we can presume that the power God offered initially wasn't a large portion of his power for various reasons, but that is still technically speculation. What we do know is that Garou only took a portion of the power God offered him. God implied that Garou only touching his hand prevented him from gaining the full power, and Blast outright says that it was only a partial transformation, and only could wonder how powerful Garou would have become had he received the full influence of God.
Most likely, Garou received a very small portion of God's power. I doubt Garou is even in the same league as God.
I'm very confident God is blatantly stronger than Saitama, at least right now.
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Well in that case carry on.
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All Fubuki really did was heal people who would’ve been vaporised several chapters beforehand if Tatsumaki didn’t protect everyone, so…
And Fubuki would be dead, too, without Tatsumaki. Most likely.
And Fubuki would be dead, too, without Tatsumaki. Most likely.
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So… why was Saitama in the ground, only a few metres away from Cosmic Garou, after being blasted by the “Star level” GRB? Was he knocked out?? He was down there for awhile… long enough for Blast and Garou to fight for a bit. I don’t imagine he got lost.
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Cope
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Fubuki should change her outfit next arc to something more SEXY just dress up like your damn sister
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He was sleeping idk
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This is a joke, right?
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No he's right. Io is so massive it is comparable to the earth even from several hundred miles away. It makes complete sense (for anyone who can't tell, this is sarcasm).
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This could’ve been possible….had the sun reflection off the Earth not debunked the idea.
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What I don’t understand is when Garou looks back at Earth from Io, he can see the sun in the same direction the galaxy wiper blast went, and there’s no giant void.
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And while the galaxy wiping feat is probably totally valid, I will always find it goofy that these two have that level of strength and yet Garou begins pooping himself from the table flip that doesn’t even destroy Io and Jupiter being destroyed despite being able to vaporise Jupiter with his casual GRB.
Just weirdness I guess. Dragon Ball collateral damage logic.
Just weirdness I guess. Dragon Ball collateral damage logic.
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There are two Lucifers which are depicted in comics.
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Ah yes definitely Jupiter. Kill me pls
Fr, this one makes less sense than the folding space ones
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