No, it literally doesn’t. Standing a chance means you can actually hold your own, killing someone is defeating them, which goes beyond just standing a chance.
Its canonically not. Now it is a factor, for example you can't be S-Class if you cannot defeat a Demon level threat by yourself. But things like popularity, merchandise sales, usefulness to the HA, and consistency in documented hero work effect your rating. There's a reason why some C, B, A, and S rank heroes that are stronger than higher ones are ranked lower. Like Flashy Flash being below Child Emperor or Darkshine being below Zombieman.
In this context I didn't mean to downscale to just 7-A, but 7-A was being used as a general tier. If accepted she would still be "at maximum 7-A+".
I would say that power levels are a primary prerequisite for being in a certain class, but they're a secondary considerations when it comes to rankings in that class. As in a hero has to be able to consistently defeat low, mid demons to enter S-class but even if they can defeat high dragons, that doesn't place them in the top 5 or 6 of s-class.
Ok, it's fine. But if you don't want to give EC a second key, what you guys are doing is going in circles. How does this chain work?
Ah, okay. I’m in favor of that then.
Darkshine doesn’t scale above Bang and Bomb’s combo. Darkshine directly stated that Bang alone was able to easily defeat him.
That was only because of technique. Darkshine is physically much stronger than him, and on top of that, he has Double Bazooka, so he can easily replicate what Bang and Bomb did with a single punch to EC. Not to mention his kick arguably did more damage to Psykorochi than what the brother did to Goo Orochi. Prove me wrong.
Exactly. The HA's general system threat system analysis only works if the person of said class has the strength to fight the "average" threat level listed. Any A-Class is expected to take down the average Tiger level threat, but the ranks of 1-36 depend on the stuff I mentioned.
Darkshine is narratively stronger than Bang, who is a better fighter than him because of martial arts.
Proof? Because just saying “he’s narratively stronger” sounds like headcanon.
We don’t even scale Human Garou to that so meh.
We also don’t scale Garou to tanking Rover’s hits, the fact that Garou was convinced that Rover’s attack (as well as Bang and Darkshine’s) would kill him shows that he shouldn’t scale. And where the hell does Bang’s dura being above his SS come from? Nothing you’ve said proves Darkshine > Bang, especially when the actual manga says otherwise.
Because it really almost killed him at first, but he later adapted to the attacks and could tank them much better, so Garou wasn't wrong thinking that.
Dura scales above AP. If you hit with an amount strength, your body needs to be stronger than that, it happens with in-life humans too.
When Darkshine says Bang beat him, he's specifically comparing Bang's use of technique and martial arts to Garou so no, he is very much admitting he was defeatded because Bang's TECHNIQUE was godly.
Garou didn’t fully tank any other attacks from Rover after that. He was not in the epicenter of any other blast that hit him, so he doesn’t fully scale.
That’s not how the site does it, it’s dura = AP. Not dura < AP.
He directly says Bang could reflect all of his attacks. Bang’s AP would have to be at the least comparable to Darkshine’s for that to be possible. So again, nothing says Darkshine is above Bang in AP, let alone Darkshine being above Bang and Bomb at the same time.
To be fair, Garou did actually take the full effects of the blast that blew him down to Gyoro Gyoro's level. I think it's worth noting Garou is developing heat resistance at that point, so that helps him survive those blasts nearly as much as his AP does.
Yeah, he was in the epicenter of that one, but like you said, heat resistance would null some of the effects of that.
Yes he did, Ouros already told you. Garou should scale above or equal to Bang in durability at that point of time, and he grew even stronger when fighting Darkshine. Heat resistance? Maybe, but it's too much of a stretch. I'd say that it is relative to one's durability in OPM unvierse.
That's not what I said. Dura>=AP , that's how we do it.
You don't have a way to prove that. The only reason Bang could and Garou couldn't deflect the tackle was because Garou's technique was less developed, as stated by Darkshine right after. After all, Garou could deflect MB's attacks with WSRSF, which could one shot Senior Centipede, who could withstand Spiral Incineration Cannon, which was meant to kill Garou. So technique in OPM can be used to deflect something which is out of your league.
There's a way to bookmark stuff for a thread, but I forget how you do it. If I knew what to do I'd probably just bookmark comments with various calcs that we updated whenever.
There’s a little symbol to the left of the number of your comment. That’s how you bookmark.
He said that after I made the comment so... not sure what kind of point you were trying to make here.
He absolutely shouldn’t. He was developing heat resistance at the time, and Rover’s blasts are heat blasts. That’s even what Gyoro Gyoro refers to them as.
Okay, but just because you say it, that doesn’t mean anything.
Mm, yeah, it is what you said.
You said dura > AP, not dura >= AP.
Garou’s about to scale above the Spiral Incineration Cannon so...
Fine by me, as long as you understand that Darkshine isn’t gonna be scaling above Bang and Bomb’s combo attacks.
Assuming the math works out, what do you think of scaling/downscaling Goo Orochi's durability from this? He did take the full momentum of the spear tip while remaining mostly intact.
That just means SIC scales above Garou, because it was meant to kill him. It means SIC is stronger than JDA.
I still think the same, as it makes a ton of sense. Also, it is pretty obvious that Darkshine's missile did more damage than CFDSF to Orochi.
It makes sense, to say the very least.
Could you comment on the other topic about speed?
Here, take a look at the sandbox about the Sonic and Deep Sea King thing
He’d probably downscale to 7-A+, since that’s extremely close to baseline.
Okay, I was tending towards downscaling as well. The most important thing is that the attack can be used to infer Orochi's true durability. What might be more contentious is downscaling the S-class heroes from that 7-A+ durability to the extent of their ability. I think Darkshine (and Bang and Bomb) could downscale a little further into 7-A+ (the spear squished Orochi considerably more than superalloy missile), and that Atomic should probably downscale a little further (Orochi is obviously more vulnerable to slashing attacks since he can't disperse the energy through his body) and Puri Puri even further. But if the method works, I shall make a blog post with this math.
She actually never deflected two. That was a sequencing error.
