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I dunno if Fubuki would downscale to normal 7-A, since Rover would be fairly high into 7-A+, considering that he scales above EC, who scales above Gouketsu.
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Standing a chance in a battle where both are going for the kill means killing them.The statement isn’t even that they can kill EC, it’s that they can “stand against” him. So your point about them preventing him from molting is headcanon.
Rover can definitely charge his energy balls or spam them. The spam seems to be weaker than the charged ones, so there's a definite power flux there. I mean, you can just compare the huge explosion Rover hit Bang, Bomb and Fubuki with when he snuck up on them with the noticeably smaller explosions Bang blocks when buffed by Fubuki. The bigger explosion is several hundred meters wide and the smaller explosions are maybe tens of meters, a hundred meters.Personally yeah. Rover's energy balls seem weird to me, in that they sorta flux power wise. But if that doesn't work then something like "Low 7-B+, at maximum 7-B, possibly 7-A" could work imo.
No, it literally doesn’t. Standing a chance means you can actually hold your own, killing someone is defeating them, which goes beyond just standing a chance.Standing a chance in a battle where both are going for the kill means killing them.
Its canonically not. Now it is a factor, for example you can't be S-Class if you cannot defeat a Demon level threat by yourself. But things like popularity, merchandise sales, usefulness to the HA, and consistency in documented hero work effect your rating. There's a reason why some C, B, A, and S rank heroes that are stronger than higher ones are ranked lower. Like Flashy Flash being below Child Emperor or Darkshine being below Zombieman.I'm pretty sure power isn't everything when it comes to hero rankings.
In this context I didn't mean to downscale to just 7-A, but 7-A was being used as a general tier. If accepted she would still be "at maximum 7-A+".I dunno if Fubuki would downscale to normal 7-A, since Rover would be fairly high into 7-A+, considering that he scales above EC, who scales above Gouketsu.
I would say that power levels are a primary prerequisite for being in a certain class, but they're a secondary considerations when it comes to rankings in that class. As in a hero has to be able to consistently defeat low, mid demons to enter S-class but even if they can defeat high dragons, that doesn't place them in the top 5 or 6 of s-class.Its canonically not. Now it is a factor, for example you can't be S-Class if you cannot defeat a Demon level threat by yourself. But things like popularity, merchandise sales, usefulness to the HA, and consistency in documented hero work effect your rating. There's a reason why some C, B, A, and S rank heroes that are stronger than higher ones are ranked lower. Like Flashy Flash being below Child Emperor or Darkshine being below Zombieman.
In this context I didn't mean to downscale to just 7-A, but 7-A was being used as a general tier. If accepted she would still be "at maximum 7-A+".
Ok, it's fine. But if you don't want to give EC a second key, what you guys are doing is going in circles. How does this chain work?No, it literally doesn’t. Standing a chance means you can actually hold your own, killing someone is defeating them, which goes beyond just standing a chance.
The definition of “stand against,” is: To oppose or defy someone or something. That is not killing someone.
Ah, okay. I’m in favor of that then.In this context I didn't mean to downscale to just 7-A, but 7-A was being used as a general tier. If accepted she would still be "at maximum 7-A+".
Darkshine doesn’t scale above Bang and Bomb’s combo. Darkshine directly stated that Bang alone was able to easily defeat him.EC< Bang and Bomb's combined attack= Darkshine=Carnage Kabuto< Gouketsu< EC again
That was only because of technique. Darkshine is physically much stronger than him, and on top of that, he has Double Bazooka, so he can easily replicate what Bang and Bomb did with a single punch to EC. Not to mention his kick arguably did more damage to Psykorochi than what the brother did to Goo Orochi. Prove me wrong.Darkshine doesn’t scale above Bang and Bomb’s combo. Darkshine directly stated that Bang alone was able to easily defeat him.
Exactly. The HA's general system threat system analysis only works if the person of said class has the strength to fight the "average" threat level listed. Any A-Class is expected to take down the average Tiger level threat, but the ranks of 1-36 depend on the stuff I mentioned.I would say that power levels are a primary prerequisite for being in a certain class, but they're a secondary considerations when it comes to rankings in that class.
Darkshine is narratively stronger than Bang, who is a better fighter than him because of martial arts.Darkshine being physically stronger is headcanon unless you can provide proof otherwise. Same with Double Bazooka being able to replicate Bang and Bomb’s combo attacks. Darkshine himself stated Bang could reflect all of his attacks and easily defeat him, but he suffered no damage. So Darkshine’s AP < Bang < Darkshine’s dura, which is consistent because even Darkshine doesn’t know how to damage himself.
Proof? Because just saying “he’s narratively stronger” sounds like headcanon.Darkshine is narratively stronger than Bang, who is a better fighter than him because of martial arts.
We don’t even scale Human Garou to that so meh.Bang was going almost all out against Garou, he was bloodlusted, and Garou was able to tank that. Then a stronger Garou got destroyed by a punch from Bug God (who has a much higher dura than his striking strength), who Darkshine one shot.
It does contradict Bang damaging a dragon leve threat though, so I guess he was holding back against Garou after all.
We also don’t scale Garou to tanking Rover’s hits, the fact that Garou was convinced that Rover’s attack (as well as Bang and Darkshine’s) would kill him shows that he shouldn’t scale. And where the hell does Bang’s dura being above his SS come from? Nothing you’ve said proves Darkshine > Bang, especially when the actual manga says otherwise.Also Garou tanked Rover's blasts and adapted to them quite well, while Bang said he would take damage from them, his durability being higher than his striking strength. Then a stronger Garou got massive damage from Darkshine. This proves quite well Darkshine is stronger than Bang physically
Because it really almost killed him at first, but he later adapted to the attacks and could tank them much better, so Garou wasn't wrong thinking that.the fact that Garou was convinced that Rover’s attack (as well as Bang and Darkshine’s) would kill him shows that he shouldn’t scale
Dura scales above AP. If you hit with an amount strength, your body needs to be stronger than that, it happens with in-life humans too.And where the hell does Bang’s dura being above his SS come from?
When Darkshine says Bang beat him, he's specifically comparing Bang's use of technique and martial arts to Garou so no, he is very much admitting he was defeatded because Bang's TECHNIQUE was godly.especially when the actual manga says otherwise.
Garou didn’t fully tank any other attacks from Rover after that. He was not in the epicenter of any other blast that hit him, so he doesn’t fully scale.Because it really almost killed him at first, but he later adapted to the attacks and could tank them much better, so Garou wasn't wrong thinking that.
That’s not how the site does it, it’s dura = AP. Not dura < AP.Dura scales above AP. If you hit with an amount strength, your body needs to be stronger than that, it happens with in-life humans too.
He directly says Bang could reflect all of his attacks. Bang’s AP would have to be at the least comparable to Darkshine’s for that to be possible. So again, nothing says Darkshine is above Bang in AP, let alone Darkshine being above Bang and Bomb at the same time.When Darkshine says Bang beat him, he's specifically comparing Bang's use of technique and martial arts to Garou so no, he is very much admitting he was defeatded because Bang's TECHNIQUE was godly.
To be fair, Garou did actually take the full effects of the blast that blew him down to Gyoro Gyoro's level. I think it's worth noting Garou is developing heat resistance at that point, so that helps him survive those blasts nearly as much as his AP does.Garou didn’t fully tank any other attacks from Rover after that. He was not in the epicenter of any other blast that hit him, so he doesn’t fully scale.
That’s not how the site does it, it’s dura = AP. Not dura < AP.
He directly says Bang could reflect all of his attacks. Bang’s AP would have to be at the least comparable to Darkshine’s for that to be possible. So again, nothing says Darkshine is above Bang in AP, let alone Darkshine being above Bang and Bomb at the same time.
Yeah, he was in the epicenter of that one, but like you said, heat resistance would null some of the effects of that.To be fair, Garou did actually take the full effects of the blast that blew him down to Gyoro Gyoro's level. I think it's worth noting Garou is developing heat resistance at that point, so that helps him survive those blasts nearly as much as his AP does.
Yes he did, Ouros already told you. Garou should scale above or equal to Bang in durability at that point of time, and he grew even stronger when fighting Darkshine. Heat resistance? Maybe, but it's too much of a stretch. I'd say that it is relative to one's durability in OPM unvierse.Garou didn’t fully tank any other attacks from Rover after that. He was not in the epicenter of any other blast that hit him, so he doesn’t fully scale.
That's not what I said. Dura>=AP , that's how we do it.That’s not how the site does it, it’s dura = AP. Not dura < AP.
You don't have a way to prove that. The only reason Bang could and Garou couldn't deflect the tackle was because Garou's technique was less developed, as stated by Darkshine right after. After all, Garou could deflect MB's attacks with WSRSF, which could one shot Senior Centipede, who could withstand Spiral Incineration Cannon, which was meant to kill Garou. So technique in OPM can be used to deflect something which is out of your league.Bang’s AP would have to be at the least comparable to Darkshine’s for that to be possible
There's a way to bookmark stuff for a thread, but I forget how you do it. If I knew what to do I'd probably just bookmark comments with various calcs that we updated whenever.Now I gotta try and find my Tatsumaki spear calc, this thread is a maze at this point, lol.
There’s a little symbol to the left of the number of your comment. That’s how you bookmark.There's a way to bookmark stuff for a thread, but I forget how you do it. If I knew what to do I'd probably just bookmark comments with various calcs that we updated whenever.
He said that after I made the comment so... not sure what kind of point you were trying to make here.Yes he did, Ouros already told you.
He absolutely shouldn’t. He was developing heat resistance at the time, and Rover’s blasts are heat blasts. That’s even what Gyoro Gyoro refers to them as.Garou should scale above or equal to Bang in durability at that point of time, and he grew even stronger when fighting Darkshine.
Okay, but just because you say it, that doesn’t mean anything.Maybe, but it's too much of a stretch. I'd say that it is relative to one's durability in OPM unvierse.
Mm, yeah, it is what you said.That's not what I said. Dura>=AP , that's how we do it.
You said dura > AP, not dura >= AP.Dura scales above AP.
Garou’s about to scale above the Spiral Incineration Cannon so...You don't have a way to prove that. The only reason Bang could and Garou couldn't deflect the tackle was because Garou's technique was less developed, as stated by Darkshine right after. After all, Garou could deflect MB's attacks with WSRSF, which could one shot Senior Centipede, who could withstand Spiral Incineration Cannon, which was meant to kill Garou. So technique in OPM can be used to deflect something which is out of your league.
Fine by me, as long as you understand that Darkshine isn’t gonna be scaling above Bang and Bomb’s combo attacks.Btw if you wanna conclude the debate here, I'm fine with it, it's late here.
Assuming the math works out, what do you think of scaling/downscaling Goo Orochi's durability from this? He did take the full momentum of the spear tip while remaining mostly intact.The snowman calc is only an outlier because Snowman's a demon, 7-B+ is pretty standard for Dragon level at this point.
I think we should calc Goo Orochi's durability. If we want don't want to scale Orochi to the AP of drilling a 2 km wide hole deep into the earth's crust, we could at least downscale him from the initial impact of Tatsumaki's giant spear which left him mostly intact (she had to drill him through kilometers and kilometers after the initial impact to fully erase him). The spear has a mass of 3.56*10^13 kg, so if it's travelling at say 500 m/s, it'll give 7-A+, High 7-A+ results.
For example... assuming 500 m/s (it's probably going faster than this tbh)
1/2*3.56*10^13*500^2 = 4.45*10^18 joules, 1065 megatons, High 7-A.
That just means SIC scales above Garou, because it was meant to kill him. It means SIC is stronger than JDA.Garou’s about to scale above the Spiral Incineration Cannon so...
I still think the same, as it makes a ton of sense. Also, it is pretty obvious that Darkshine's missile did more damage than CFDSF to Orochi.Fine by me, as long as you understand that Darkshine isn’t gonna be scaling above Bang and Bomb’s combo attacks.
It makes sense, to say the very least.Assuming the math works out, what do you think of scaling/downscaling Goo Orochi's durability from this? He did take the full momentum of the spear tip while remaining mostly intact.
Could you comment on the other topic about speed?Bookmark isn't the term I meant to use. Its like "threadmarks" or something like that. Its an extra dropdown menu that links to stuff in the thread.
Here, take a look at the sandbox about the Sonic and Deep Sea King thingWhich one?
He’d probably downscale to 7-A+, since that’s extremely close to baseline.Assuming the math works out, what do you think of scaling/downscaling Goo Orochi's durability from this? He did take the full momentum of the spear tip while remaining mostly intact.
Okay, I was tending towards downscaling as well. The most important thing is that the attack can be used to infer Orochi's true durability. What might be more contentious is downscaling the S-class heroes from that 7-A+ durability to the extent of their ability. I think Darkshine (and Bang and Bomb) could downscale a little further into 7-A+ (the spear squished Orochi considerably more than superalloy missile), and that Atomic should probably downscale a little further (Orochi is obviously more vulnerable to slashing attacks since he can't disperse the energy through his body) and Puri Puri even further. But if the method works, I shall make a blog post with this math.He’d probably downscale to 7-A+, since that’s extremely close to baseline.