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I dunno if Fubuki would downscale to normal 7-A, since Rover would be fairly high into 7-A+, considering that he scales above EC, who scales above Gouketsu.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Standing a chance in a battle where both are going for the kill means killing them.
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Rover can definitely charge his energy balls or spam them. The spam seems to be weaker than the charged ones, so there's a definite power flux there. I mean, you can just compare the huge explosion Rover hit Bang, Bomb and Fubuki with when he snuck up on them with the noticeably smaller explosions Bang blocks when buffed by Fubuki. The bigger explosion is several hundred meters wide and the smaller explosions are maybe tens of meters, a hundred meters.
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No, it literally doesn’t. Standing a chance means you can actually hold your own, killing someone is defeating them, which goes beyond just standing a chance.
The definition of “stand against,” is: To oppose or defy someone or something. That is not killing someone.
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Its canonically not. Now it is a factor, for example you can't be S-Class if you cannot defeat a Demon level threat by yourself. But things like popularity, merchandise sales, usefulness to the HA, and consistency in documented hero work effect your rating. There's a reason why some C, B, A, and S rank heroes that are stronger than higher ones are ranked lower. Like Flashy Flash being below Child Emperor or Darkshine being below Zombieman.
In this context I didn't mean to downscale to just 7-A, but 7-A was being used as a general tier. If accepted she would still be "at maximum 7-A+".
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I would say that power levels are a primary prerequisite for being in a certain class, but they're a secondary considerations when it comes to rankings in that class. As in a hero has to be able to consistently defeat low, mid demons to enter S-class but even if they can defeat high dragons, that doesn't place them in the top 5 or 6 of s-class.
While heroes could opt into a higher class, they'd probably die the moment they were put up against a mysterious being with a threat level out of their league. Plus, gatekeeping is a major thing.
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Ok, it's fine. But if you don't want to give EC a second key, what you guys are doing is going in circles. How does this chain work?
EC< Bang and Bomb's combined attack= Darkshine=Carnage Kabuto< Gouketsu< EC again.
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Ah, okay. I’m in favor of that then.
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Darkshine doesn’t scale above Bang and Bomb’s combo. Darkshine directly stated that Bang alone was able to easily defeat him.
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That was only because of technique. Darkshine is physically much stronger than him, and on top of that, he has Double Bazooka, so he can easily replicate what Bang and Bomb did with a single punch to EC. Not to mention his kick arguably did more damage to Psykorochi than what the brother did to Goo Orochi. Prove me wrong.
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Darkshine being physically stronger is headcanon unless you can provide proof otherwise. Same with Double Bazooka being able to replicate Bang and Bomb’s combo attacks. Darkshine himself stated Bang could reflect all of his attacks and easily defeat him, but he suffered no damage. So Darkshine’s AP < Bang < Darkshine’s dura, which is consistent because even Darkshine doesn’t know how to damage himself.
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Exactly. The HA's general system threat system analysis only works if the person of said class has the strength to fight the "average" threat level listed. Any A-Class is expected to take down the average Tiger level threat, but the ranks of 1-36 depend on the stuff I mentioned.
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Darkshine is narratively stronger than Bang, who is a better fighter than him because of martial arts.
Bang was going almost all out against Garou, he was bloodlusted, and Garou was able to tank that. Then a stronger Garou got destroyed by a punch from Bug God (who has a much higher dura than his striking strength), who Darkshine one shot.
It does contradict Bang damaging a dragon leve threat though, so I guess he was holding back against Garou after all.
Also Garou tanked Rover's blasts and adapted to them quite well, while Bang said he would take damage from them, his durability being higher than his striking strength. Then a stronger Garou got massive damage from Darkshine. This proves quite well Darkshine is stronger than Bang physically
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Proof? Because just saying “he’s narratively stronger” sounds like headcanon.
We don’t even scale Human Garou to that so meh.
We also don’t scale Garou to tanking Rover’s hits, the fact that Garou was convinced that Rover’s attack (as well as Bang and Darkshine’s) would kill him shows that he shouldn’t scale. And where the hell does Bang’s dura being above his SS come from? Nothing you’ve said proves Darkshine > Bang, especially when the actual manga says otherwise.
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Because it really almost killed him at first, but he later adapted to the attacks and could tank them much better, so Garou wasn't wrong thinking that.
Dura scales above AP. If you hit with an amount strength, your body needs to be stronger than that, it happens with in-life humans too.
When Darkshine says Bang beat him, he's specifically comparing Bang's use of technique and martial arts to Garou so no, he is very much admitting he was defeatded because Bang's TECHNIQUE was godly.
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Well, Bang was definitely not trying to kill Garou. He was trying to teach him a lesson. Evidence for this:
1. Bang hit Garou right as Genos was preparing to finish him off, saving Garou.
2. Bang was surprised when Genos prepared a spiral incineration cannon, with the aim to kill Garou.
3. Bang decides to beat the monster out of a defeated awakened Garou instead of killing him, Amai Mask has to intervene to make sure Garou actually dies.
Plus, with Bang scaling to Melzalgald, EC and Rover, it stands to reason he's dragon level, whereas everything supports Garou being high demon level at that point. Bang has many reasons to hold back in alignment with the scaling and seems to intervene at the right times to save Garou. It seems he wants Garou to learn his lesson through pain so he can correct his mistakes.
1. Bang hit Garou right as Genos was preparing to finish him off, saving Garou.
2. Bang was surprised when Genos prepared a spiral incineration cannon, with the aim to kill Garou.
3. Bang decides to beat the monster out of a defeated awakened Garou instead of killing him, Amai Mask has to intervene to make sure Garou actually dies.
Plus, with Bang scaling to Melzalgald, EC and Rover, it stands to reason he's dragon level, whereas everything supports Garou being high demon level at that point. Bang has many reasons to hold back in alignment with the scaling and seems to intervene at the right times to save Garou. It seems he wants Garou to learn his lesson through pain so he can correct his mistakes.
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Garou didn’t fully tank any other attacks from Rover after that. He was not in the epicenter of any other blast that hit him, so he doesn’t fully scale.
That’s not how the site does it, it’s dura = AP. Not dura < AP.
He directly says Bang could reflect all of his attacks. Bang’s AP would have to be at the least comparable to Darkshine’s for that to be possible. So again, nothing says Darkshine is above Bang in AP, let alone Darkshine being above Bang and Bomb at the same time.
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To be fair, Garou did actually take the full effects of the blast that blew him down to Gyoro Gyoro's level. I think it's worth noting Garou is developing heat resistance at that point, so that helps him survive those blasts nearly as much as his AP does.
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Yeah, he was in the epicenter of that one, but like you said, heat resistance would null some of the effects of that.
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Now I gotta try and find my Tatsumaki spear calc, this thread is a maze at this point, lol.
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It really is lmao
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Yes he did, Ouros already told you. Garou should scale above or equal to Bang in durability at that point of time, and he grew even stronger when fighting Darkshine. Heat resistance? Maybe, but it's too much of a stretch. I'd say that it is relative to one's durability in OPM unvierse.
That's not what I said. Dura>=AP , that's how we do it.
You don't have a way to prove that. The only reason Bang could and Garou couldn't deflect the tackle was because Garou's technique was less developed, as stated by Darkshine right after. After all, Garou could deflect MB's attacks with WSRSF, which could one shot Senior Centipede, who could withstand Spiral Incineration Cannon, which was meant to kill Garou. So technique in OPM can be used to deflect something which is out of your league.
Btw if you wanna conclude the debate here, I'm fine with it, it's late here.
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There's a way to bookmark stuff for a thread, but I forget how you do it. If I knew what to do I'd probably just bookmark comments with various calcs that we updated whenever.
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There’s a little symbol to the left of the number of your comment. That’s how you bookmark.
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Bookmark isn't the term I meant to use. Its like "threadmarks" or something like that. Its an extra dropdown menu that links to stuff in the thread.
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He said that after I made the comment so... not sure what kind of point you were trying to make here.
He absolutely shouldn’t. He was developing heat resistance at the time, and Rover’s blasts are heat blasts. That’s even what Gyoro Gyoro refers to them as.
Okay, but just because you say it, that doesn’t mean anything.
Mm, yeah, it is what you said.
You said dura > AP, not dura >= AP.
Garou’s about to scale above the Spiral Incineration Cannon so...
Fine by me, as long as you understand that Darkshine isn’t gonna be scaling above Bang and Bomb’s combo attacks.
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Assuming the math works out, what do you think of scaling/downscaling Goo Orochi's durability from this? He did take the full momentum of the spear tip while remaining mostly intact.
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That just means SIC scales above Garou, because it was meant to kill him. It means SIC is stronger than JDA.
I still think the same, as it makes a ton of sense. Also, it is pretty obvious that Darkshine's missile did more damage than CFDSF to Orochi.
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It makes sense, to say the very least.
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I should say that Goo Orochi is very malleable and doesn't have to tank an attack like a more solid creature would (he can deform around the impact without dying), but the energy involved in the spear attack is still passing through his body without destroying it. So depending on how one wants to account for that amorphous deformability he has, he could scale or downscale to a certain degree.
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Could you comment on the other topic about speed?
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Which one?
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Here, take a look at the sandbox about the Sonic and Deep Sea King thing
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We need to put Sonic and DSK scaling in a different thread, that one has already gone on long enough.
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He’d probably downscale to 7-A+, since that’s extremely close to baseline.
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Okay, I was tending towards downscaling as well. The most important thing is that the attack can be used to infer Orochi's true durability. What might be more contentious is downscaling the S-class heroes from that 7-A+ durability to the extent of their ability. I think Darkshine (and Bang and Bomb) could downscale a little further into 7-A+ (the spear squished Orochi considerably more than superalloy missile), and that Atomic should probably downscale a little further (Orochi is obviously more vulnerable to slashing attacks since he can't disperse the energy through his body) and Puri Puri even further. But if the method works, I shall make a blog post with this math.
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I think it’d be better to do the blog post first, so we can see if the calc gets accepted before trying to do anything with it.
Although if it does get accepted and the S-Class scale, that’d put them at a higher level of 7-A+.
Although if it does get accepted and the S-Class scale, that’d put them at a higher level of 7-A+.
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@Ourosboros Forgot to ask this, but on your calc put "(Accepted)" near which end we're using. For future reference.
