Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[Dragonite007]

The thing is from a look at their profiles it seems that he can beat Shiro and potentially Daphne (Maybe even the Maou gakuin characters at max if they can't really bypass logia hax since logia users require elemental intangibility negation to be harmed)

Holy mother of wank

He literally will go mad after seeing Daphne, the characters of Maou have CM1 and he still can't beat Ancient Lich King

 

[YmTheSuper]

He literally will go mad after seeing Daphne

He has resistance to madness manip and mind manip

the characters of Maou have CM1

Yeah assuming he can beat them was kind of a stretch. But I can't seem to find CM anywhere in the applicable keys in the profiles.

he still can't beat Ancient Lich King

Does a character need to beat all the characters below it to get placed? Genuine question.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Also all of this is assuming he can qualify to the list via his striking strength with the blue sword.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I see. Thing is, Sophia can simply break the shell immediately, either via her strength advantage or ice + acid

Ok sure.
Is the ice + acid something she can eject from her skin or at least palms? cause even if she for example she tries slicing off a chunk of rock growing on her hand there'd be another batch growing on her left ankle from behind or whatever. Or like could she spawn acid above her head so that it'd pour all over herself to get it off? Since if her body gets fully entrapped Asa just shatters her to pieces

Ah, that one. That can somewhat help against acid and poison, although a hit will still be troublesome for him. And given Sophia's AP advantage she could possible attack through it.

It would be troublesome if he got tagged, however Magnanimity can function as a air vortex that sucks in everything in the vicinity purifying or absorbing whatever gets into it, so if she tries poison misting or acid splatter omnidirectionally he just sucks it in no problem, or even just dodges via teleporting. Using his air manip to blast or reflect it back too. He's got the extrasensory to see such coming too. Also magnanimity has absorbed 7-B attacks and a 7-A explosion so she won't be able to overwhelm it.

The page kinda says the mist state can be cleared via just a solid hit, though. So that's not too much trouble. It's just his equivalent of Sophia's Immortal Body skill, basically.

Not necessarily, it was more constant whaling on him and that critical strike was to his weak point (the spot where his heart is) when at his weakest (Just being gas) but pretty much

It can, amongst others, nullify a spiders ability to make string. So...

Then that's actually very notable

No specific number is given, but, a few seconds probably?

Then that sounds like any spawn on target moves or ridiculous AOEs will be unavoidable regardless, but for what its worth it'll save her from the most basic aspects of his toolkit. Spatial Manip division on her limbs + restrain combo may work for Asa as well in best case scenarios

Just destroy the binding. She is the stronger one, including with her thought-based magic.

I'm pretty sure most attacks she could dish out to destroy it would just be shredded by Void in the process. Plus since his abeyance does resist void, nothings really stopping him from doubling down on restraining her. Well that and the AP gap is small

But the ones I think you are missing are her Magic Eyes. And arguably Charm, if he doesn't have the awareness to use his mind null on himself before learning of the technique.
And acid and poison are not irrelevant either. He has to be careful of those, especially since the ice acid can come form any direction.

Charm Is useless since he has mind manipulation resistance even without his mind manip negating

But anyway via power null and maybe the magic eyes Sophia can probably win then so never mind

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean Xue Ying's concept stuff is layered,

I don’t see that in the profile but the bigger difference is that now that they're both immeasurable Mori passives aren't an instant win.

but even if it wasn't Mori really can't do anything to Xue Ying

I'm not knowledgeable on him at all but I don't see reality warping resistance in his profile

while he ganks him as Mirage world goes brrrrrrrrr

Uhh idek what that is ngl

 

[Dragonite007]

He has resistance to madness manip and mind manip

The type he resist isn't specified

Yeah assuming he can beat them was kind of a stretch. But I can't seem to find CM anywhere in the applicable keys in the profiles.

She can attack the source of a person, which is a concept

Does a character need to beat all the characters below it to get placed? Genuine question.

Yes, If not become a rock paper scissors, and everuone share the same spot

 

[deonment]

I don’t see that in the profile but the bigger difference is that now that they're both immeasurable Mori passives aren't an instant win.

fair enough

I'm not knowledgeable on him at all but I don't see reality warping resistance in his profile

Reality warping by itself doesn't mean much as a power when its more a mechanism than anything, but I digress
Reading the scan, the reality warping there doesn't really mean much as even in the key before this he was already beyond the order of the world and resists causality manip even before that

Uhh idek what that is ngl

He cannot die as long as his other true bodies in the Cosmos, and the Xia World's hidden world (which is unreachable even to people with CM1 and Info Type 2 and who can bypass countless dimensions), which can recreate the others if they die, in addition to being unable to die properly as long as the Mirage World exists, which can't be reached with countless dimension travel
tldr; he has other true selves in places Mori can't reach and who can very much attack from there to kill Mori eventually

 

[DavidTPPM]

Reality warping by itself doesn't mean much as a power when its more a mechanism than anything, but I digress
Reading the scan, the reality warping there doesn't really mean much as even in the key before this he was already beyond the order of the world and resists causality manip even before that

The scan in Mori's profile kinda doodoo poopooshart. His reality warping comes from karma giving him the ability to control all of creation and while he does technically use it to regenerate planets and rewind time, he also uses it to make Mujin disappear. That specific scan is listed under existence erasure and deconstruction because it technically is those 2 things but those are just some of the applications of reality warping.

He cannot die as long as his other true bodies in the Cosmos, and the Xia World's hidden world (which is unreachable even to people with CM1 and Info Type 2 and who can bypass countless dimensions), which can recreate the others if they die, in addition to being unable to die properly as long as the Mirage World exists, which can't be reached with countless dimension travel
tldr; he has other true selves in places Mori can't reach and who can very much attack from there to kill Mori eventually

I always wonder how would these immortalities work in a vs match. Because Moris true form is in paradise, a realm where only those who have achieved Nirvana can access (as explained in his immortality section).

So like how do we decide whether or not they can somehow reach each other's true forms here

 

[deonment]

The scan in Mori's profile kinda doodoo poopooshart. His reality warping comes from karma giving him the ability to control all of creation and while he does technically use it to regenerate planets and rewind time, he also uses it to make Mujin disappear. That specific scan is listed under existence erasure and deconstruction because it technically is those 2 things but those are just some of the applications of reality warping.

ic, I mean even with that he just resists EE and deconstruction from multiple earlier keys

I always wonder how would these immortalities work in a vs match. Because Moris true form is in paradise, a realm where only those who have achieved Nirvana can access (as explained in his immortality section).

So like how do we decide whether or not they can somehow reach each other's true forms here

I mean we just go based off feats of how "unreachable" they are, reading abt Nirvana I think Xue Ying can reach it, and if he can't, then its just incon or incap if he can just stop Mori from doing anything in reality by just ******* with his mind/soul or illusions via his Mirage Dao

 

[noninho]

John Cricket should be not only in Unknown, but on #7 since Aria won't resist his amazing SI.
He doesn't go higher just because Cthulhu is invisible lol

 

[Livinmeme]

John Cricket should be not only in Unknown, but on #7 since Aria won't resist his amazing SI.
He doesn't go higher just because Cthulhu is invisible lol

not even a representation of Jesus could defend him from them, but he was able to ask help for Nossa Senhora, which ended up in the salvation of his friends from Hell and getting him another chance at life

Uh...Seems like a fun character for matches

 

[noninho]

Uh...Seems like a fun character for matches

Yeah, he won't be nothing in the matter of actual punches or something
But his SI gets people to do many things, including not fight him (canonically)...so this is appropriate ig

 

[DavidTPPM]

ic, I mean even with that he just resists EE and deconstruction from multiple earlier keys

But the issue is that resisting EE itself won't protect him here. EE is just the result, reality warping is what needs to be resisted. Similarly to how resisting paralysis caused by electricity won't protect you from paralysis caused by mind manipulation.

That being said I should mention I found reality warping resistance his profile, but Mori has resistance negation with RW so it should eventually still work I think (?)

I mean we just go based off feats of how "unreachable" they are, reading abt Nirvana I think Xue Ying can reach it,

Why? Paradise is a place removed from laws of nature and to reach it you need to achieve Nirvana (something even characters who grasped the truth of the universe couldn't do) and cut all your ties to the world.
It's not exactly easy to access.

and if he can't, then its just incon or incap

I mean there certainly are different win cons to discuss. For example I don't see resistance to empathetic manipulation so couldn't Mori just absorb his malice basically making him a non-opponent to Mori?
I also don't see transmutation resistance so if Mori were to access his real form he could turn him into a flower with that.

if he can just stop Mori from doing anything in reality by just ******* with his mind/soul or illusions via his Mirage Dao

How does that exactly work? I also assume the mind/soul and illusion hax are layered and 4D right?

 

[deonment]

But the issue is that resisting EE itself won't protect him here. EE is just the result, reality warping is what needs to be resisted. Similarly to how resisting paralysis caused by electricity won't protect you from paralysis caused by mind manipulation.

That being said I should mention I found reality warping resistance his profile, but Mori has resistance negation with RW so it should eventually still work I think (?)

That's in the case where the baseline power itself still does something, we don't assume that someone without a resistance to, for example, magic can't resist the effects of any spells a magic user may have because they resist those powers from a non-magical source, the same goes with reality warping, its a mechanic behind a power, not a power in-of-itself

Why? Paradise is a place removed from laws of nature and to reach it you need to achieve Nirvana (something even characters who grasped the truth of the universe couldn't do) and cut all your ties to the world.
It's not exactly easy to access.

It's a matter of reach and nature more than anything, Xue Ying has the reach for it, and the nature of it doesn't seem like anything beyond Daos, which already transcends the world and all of its laws
I also realize that he doesn't actually have to reach Nirvana because he can kill true bodies through avatar, which is a woops

I mean there certainly are different win cons to discuss. For example I don't see resistance to empathetic manipulation so couldn't Mori just absorb his malice basically making him a non-opponent to Mori?
I also don't see transmutation resistance so if Mori were to access his real form he could turn him into a flower with that.

The first not only gets covered by his general mind manip resist, but also he resists all lesser powers in his verse, which should include empath manip, but I'm not going to look for anything specific here, and it wouldn't affect his other body's anyways as they have their own mind and soul
Mori would have a very hard time doing that considering people with Daos (the CM1 and Info type 2 stuff yeah) can't reach the Hidden Realm, along with the fact that even at the level of a transcendent he has (at least) atom level body control, allowing him to shape his body however he likes, to the point where he straight up became fire and water and then went back to human right after he became one

How does that exactly work? I also assume the mind/soul and illusion hax are layered and 4D right?

Yeah, tldr; Even the True Meaning of Mirage was the source of all shadows, illusions, phantasms, fantasy etc, the dao is beyond even that and can inflict all of that and using it he can **** with the mind and soul of a target, and can **** with them nonlethally in several ways, but he typically goes for a killing blow however, which can kill both avatar and true body at once