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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode IV The Phantom Lore

No it will not supass Rouge one because of Infiltration. It will cerinalry not supass Rouyge One and Joker in one weak Mimum were every weak has had 50 plus percent dropoffs. and It only made 15 Million dollars last weak. It has not even pased a Billion dollars wich it will in a month. This movie does not have good legs at all. Massive droppoff will continue.
 
anyway

The Idea that Star Wars Merchandise is tanking or doing badly is a Myth.

Here's the Top globally sold merchandise in 2018 the same year star wars had a flop, meaning Rise of Skywalker will be ahead of 2018's when we get results when FQ ends.

2018 numbers
 
It is not myth it is tanking just like marval comics. If that number was multiple times hight it would be . The secondary source material is failing the toys even at 80-90 percent discounts are not selling. The Rise of Skywalker will not beat Rouge One Adjusted for inflation. The Final Movie of The Skywalker Saga will make 125 Million dollars inprofits. The Force Awakens made over 800 Million in Profits. on a 2.066 Billion dollar gross. The Last Jedi Made Less than 450 Million dollars in profits. on a 1.33 Billion dollar Box office. Rouge One will make more money Unajusted for infailion than the Final movie in the Skywalker Saga.
 
Star Wars toy sales conic book sales ticket sale. Tickets are way more expensive now. 15-20 dollars I have seen. Massive toy graveyards. The Last Jedi Making about 625 Million less then the force awakens and only pulling in about 450 million in profits but grossing 1.33 Billion dollars. Taxes Marketing Theater costs and Legal fees.
 
TRoS underperformed and probably damaged the franchise, but claiming that it is a commercial failure is a stretch. I'll just wait for George Lucas' sequel script to get leaked so we can consider it defacto canon.

The trailer for the final season of the Clone Wars is out! At least the non-movie material have been mostly great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLW2jkd6E7g
 
Hellbeast1 said:
Kinda like Valum's design
Curious what impact he'd have on the lore
Click to expand...
My interpretation, based on his eerie similarity to the Zeffo design, would make him either a Zeffo consumed by the Dark Side and the reason they left the galaxy, or some other relation.
 
That is not saying very much. But theaters only get 54.5 percent of thier total box office run. so plus atleast a nother 60 percent and you get per wikipedia. Rise of Skywalker likley cost 350 million plus 66 percent total at least 575- 600 million dollars and plus the budget so it coist about 925 million dollars and made about 125 million in profit. Better is not Good enough it really should be doing Avengers Endgame numbers not Below Rouge One Numbers at the Box Offfice and Merchandise Sales. Star Wars should be held to a higher standard that that. Good for Star Wars should be excellent and excellent for Star Wars should be nigh untouchable for those below it. Excellent for Star Wars is just good enough
 
Superweapons are dumb. The Second Death Star was a stupid polt device used for moving the movie. The Emperor should be dead. Ray should not had the force lighting the abilitry to fly for block fleet killing lighting that can harm planet killers either. Leia death scene was dumb. Luke Han and Leia should have bene together in the Force Awakens. Kaylo should have not been able to telport soild matter like that. The Final Battle was duel boring and way to dark to see almost anything. The Space Horse were dumb.Nothing form the last 2 movies carries over at all or veery well. The shileds sensor and the abilitry to tell witch is is up on the death star destroyers was un deded and dumb with zero real impact on the story. The shiip vehicle and weapon designs were stupid and boring. And so much more feal complety flat. It is a mid 60s at the best and mid 50s at worst. This movie was not bad but not even good either. The Skywalker Saga eneded like this is beyond me
 
Glad that is over now and everybody and rest thier eyes fufutre starwars movies might never be made the Obi Wan series is indefinably postponed. Benioff and Weiss Trilogy is called so is Rians Trilogy. Season 7 of the Clone Wars and Mando are the onkly 2 things keeping Star Warsb out of thw water meat grinder or even both.
 
> Rise of Skywalker likley cost 350 million plus 66 percent total at least 575- 600 million dollars and plus the budget so it coist about 925 million dollars and made about 125 million in profit.

Yeah no thats' objectively wrong.

> Better is not Good enough it really should be doing Avengers Endgame numbers not Below Rouge One Numbers at the Box Offfice and Merchandise Sales.

It's Merchandise sales were way way more than Avengers what are you talking about, also no it was never going to do Endgame numbers period anyone who thinks that is OBjectively wrong.

> Star Wars should be held to a higher standard that that. Good for Star Wars should be excellent and excellent for Star Wars should be nigh untouchable for those below it.

Star Wars has never been Untouchable.

> not Below Rouge One Numbers at the Box Offfice

It's surpassed Rouge One.
 
No it not Endgame had Recrod. Rouge One is Adjusted for Inflation. it has never been untouchable but this this just poor. I menat Adjustied for inflation. You are because the Last Jedi Split the fandom. And No the toys and stuff and xdrp\ooping. Infinity War got people happy fcor Endgame. The Last Jedi got most star wars fans happy for nothing. Endgame has done excellent Merchindise sales though its run. Was not trying to say somethin quint like that .
 
Shadow The Merchine salwes for star wars have been dropping everysingle mounth c0onasisngtley for years now-massive toy graveyards and massive sales of more than 70 - 80 percent that stuff is still on the counters.All future star wars projhectors are ehiter callned or not going anywere . Mando is the one thing not on that list plus Season 7 of the clone wars.. 6 Star Wars movies hgave been canceled. The Obi Wan series is on indefinite suspension. just is the case.Star Wars is not doing very well across the board sorry that
 
The Last Jedi was a absoulatr stunning mess of story and character arcs and developments. And The Rise of skywalker means that movies means nothing because it had to recton everything. The Rise of Skywalker taks ***** oon the Last Jedi Kaylos Helmets being Repaired Hyperspace Ramming now no longer high cannon Luke stopping ray form throwing her lightsabre. Haldo is not a weakling . The Hyperspace ram one in a million thing. Lukes wing still working. How the hell is the emperor still alive considering a planet-killing exploded while he was in the reactor shaft. Ray has the abilitry to force lighting flying force healing teleporting fandom objects and defecting fleet killing light when that fleet is made up of planet killers. With 2 lightsabre even tought luke could barly survie with the emperors normal scale lighting. Duel of the Fates would have been a better movie.
 
> Shadow The Merchine salwes for star wars have been dropping everysingle mounth c0onasisngtley for years now-massive toy graveyards and massive sales of more than 70 - 80 percent that stuff is still on the counters.

Except I provided statistics before and we actually have data from the people that distribute these toys aswell as statements from Financial earnings that literally debunk these claims, what your providing me is anecdotal from youtubers like Worldclassbullshitters.


> The Last Jedi was a absoulatr stunning mess of story and character arcs and developments

That's your Opinion


> No it not Endgame had Recrod.

Star WARS STILL sells more toys than the Avengers.


> All future star wars projhectors are ehiter callned or not going anywere

Except we know what the new films are going to be about, it's already been leaked.


> Rouge One is Adjusted for Inflation

Adjusted for Inflation Rouge One made more than Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones, whats your point?
 
Really now because Endgame made 2.8 Billion dollars. Last One just numbers. Every single newoutlet has been covering the star wars stuff is dropping in sales. You debunked nothing. No one is 100 percent right all the time. Ture nothing was leaked for the 6 other movies and series. The Avengers merch sales have not been droping every single month for multiple years now. World Class Bull ******** were not the only people covering it everyone else was also covering it as well. The merch sales are really. North America has around 500 million people the world has about 8 billion that is 16th of the total worlds population. Those 2 movies would have be adjusted for inflation to . every single marvel movies has made more in March sales than it made in box office and 12 of those movies made more than 1 billion dollars at the box office. Almost everybodt is covering the fact the merchandise for star wars has been droping almost evey single month for a multiples years. Avengers Endgame and Infinity has massive sales Numbers the Roise of Skywalker and The Last Jedi did not have massive merchandise sales. Sequel trilogy stuff is not selling at all across the world. They might have had great merchandise sales but not excellent. Star Wars has a whole might be outselling the marval movies nbut not a movie per movie base. Solo budet times 2.5 is around 700-750 million not 500 million that is with the marketing and not just the budget as a whole. But the merchandise is not selling that it was a few years before. Thank You
 
No Star Wars Merchandise is doing badly because everyone or almost eveyone would not be covering it 90 percent of those companies are Disney. 1.923 and 48.9 Percent that is in the United States and Canada those 23 counties made up only about 5 percent of the total worlds population can you cannot just scale numbers like that that is not how most math works. that world be about 38.5 Billion dollars if you scaled it upo witch you cannot . 321.2 plus 35.8 million total population for the united states and canda . The world has about 8 billion people. China and India have about a quater of the total population for a size comparison. Thw world also had 4 billion people in 1970 the world's total populoation has doubled in size . and is though to reach 11.5 billion by 2100. Bob Iger will not commit to new star wars movies yet. witch is a good thing considerin we do not need a star wars movie every single year. Even just every other year would be 100 percent fine with me.
 
Star Wars also needs to stop using superweapons has a plot device it gets boring after about like 6 movie including Cluding Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Planet killers hare not a technological achievement at all . The earth did not protect the dinosaurs for going extinct. The earh being a planet is not stoping the sun form eating it up in about few billions of years. and how the ******* hell is the emperor stil alive . Yes I know thew Legends has the sun crusher and emperor had clones. he should be really ******* dead not just barely alive. Like he was during the movie. How silly was that people
 
> No Star Wars Merchandise is doing badly because everyone or almost eveyone would not be covering it 90 percent of those companies are Disney

Repeating something doesnt make it true.
 
> You debunked nothing.

I did just put in the effort of just scrolling up

> Every single newoutlet has been covering the star wars stuff is dropping in sales.

Youtubers complaining about Feminism and Agendas in star wars is not News Outlets, Star Wars toy sales declined in late 2017 and 2018 when Toys R us went Bankrupt and now has already recovered.

> The Avengers merch sales have not been droping every single month for multiple years now

Avengers Merch has been dropping Since June.

> the Roise of Skywalker and The Last Jedi did not have massive merchandise sales.

Consumer products operating income was up 25% due to growth in merchandise licensing as a result of strong revenue growth from sales of Frozen and Star Wars merchandise, both of which benefited from theatrical releases in the quarter ~

Q1 2020 Earnings Call
> Star Wars has a whole might be outselling the marval movies nbut not a movie per movie base

Marvel has 22 Films+ that have a strong fanbase in China, with out China the only Marvel movies that would gross a Billion is the Avengers and Black Panther.

Disney Era Star Wars has only 5 films and each one besides Solo crossed a Billion+


> Almost everybodt is covering the fact the merchandise for star wars has been droping almost evey single month for a multiples years.

Clicks generate Ad revenue


> Solo budet times 2.5 is around 700-750 million not 500 million that is with the marketing and not just the

budget as a whole

Solo didnt even lose 75 Million, there's no way the budget is 750 Million and it grossed under 400 Million while losing less than a 100 Million, your Bias is making you think Irrationaly


> Bob Iger will not commit to new star wars movies yet.

The film plans have been leaked they just taking a Hiatus so they can plan the story ahead as one of the problems for the first Phase of Disney star wars has been a rushed Production.
 
You the the budget was 2.5 times solo prodyuction budget was 275-300 million movie the company onlys gets are 54.5 percent of the total run plus at least 50-66 percent ofr marketing . It is think irrationally. Bias is not capitalized because it is a proper noun or the beginnering of the stence. Mrechandise sales go up with every single manjor moive just about and fall. The 500 million you keep saying is for the 300 million production budget plus 200 million in marketing after that 55 million they start to break even but the movie coasted 300 million just to make, 300 times 2.5 is 750 and always will be that is how match works. very first points is agreed upon. Yeah because Avengers Endgame blew almost every single Rise of Skywalker feat out of the water record presale tickets and merchandise. Source is Wikipedia bay the way if you wanted to know that. Solo lost way more than 75 million even by the most ultra-conservative estimates. If you 500 million-dollar number is taked as fact is is still over 100-125 million dollars loss. and iff you included Disney marketing numbers is is likley closer to 150 or even 175 million dollar loss. Forzen is also not starb wars by the way you really need to be reminded of that by the way. Numbers of 2 counites even form the United States and Canada with make up about 5 percent of the the world's population do not debunk years of reporting multiple well known news sources and multiple news articles and the other 196 other counites who arew not the United States and Canada by the way. Plus you have to pay the employees taxes and other company expenses before you make a profit is at least 150-175 million dollar loss.That 75 million is just too good to be true. If is is too good to be ture is always is until further notice by multiple reliable sources confirm it to be ture. Longest ever post by the way peoples wow I am shocked
 
Disney unveiled Project Luminous, which turned out to be comics and novels about the rumored "High Republic Era". It takes place 200 years before Episode 1, the main antagonists are a group of "space viking" called Nihil, the galaxy is supposed to be more peaceful yet lawless, the outer rim needs a "beacon" space station to navigate, and there is a great natural disaster that shut down hyperspace travel.

Thoughts and expectations? It should be significantly better organized and written than the Sequel Trilogy, but 200 years in the past doesn't allow much flexibility for epic conflicts or a saga.
 
Im happy the Sith are not the Villains, keeps star wars from getting stale.

and so far I'm looking forward to it, this was an era not even Legends really touched.
 
Sith were the Bad Guys form ise of Skywalker and Pulled the Dark Empire Platatine is clone and Derath Star is around even though it should be disintergated and how the hell did ray kows how to teleports objects tans of thousands of lights fly force heal and force lighting animals even though Ombi Wan Ainikan and Lukew did not do it to Heal thier Mother Darth Vader and Thier Master extrmeley inportment and powerful people to them.
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Leaks from early copies of the TRoS novelization came... and Palpatine has clooone body possessed by his spirit.
Type 6 immortality.

Also, the claim that Palpatine lifted the Exgol fleet while it is buried under ice for some reason is refuted; he just showed Kylo a vision/illusion.
Click to expand...
We'll learn more when the novel is actually released.

Since he has a clone body in this continuity as well, I imagine it could play into Snoke's existence. Snoke could have been created as an experiment to see if a powerful Force Wielder could be genetically engineered/cloned, so Palpatine could transfer his power into a clone body.

 
The bullshit that star wars capital ships can blow up planets that they can not use thier navigation shileds sensors hyperdrives and other major systems in atmosphere when thatb shit has been debunked multiple times That ray has force lighting force teleportation force healing with zero trainin indicating that hat 2 light sabres can blow sith fleet killing lighting the reckoning of the hyperspace ramming rays parents Lukes x wing Kaylos helmet being repaired the sith having a massive fleet for zero reason starkiller base the supremacy the super laser siege cannons how did the first order them home not important how did luke go the the one of the most force sensitive planets in the galaxy if he did not want to be seen why is ray so over powered why is the republic demilitarized after a galactic civil war lasting over 20 years happened about 25 years before that not important. How did they get why is the death still around why is the supremacy Starkiller base and the superlaser siege cannon not important , How did the emperor survie the death star how did the death star still around why did luke not tell ray who her parents are not important? The world building planing development the character-building arcs and development the story arcs planning and building so messy out of order and just why nothing makes any sense anymore
 
So I read the Rise of Skywalker novelization, and gathered the feat statements and observations about things I found interesting.

You can find them Here.

The biggest take away is that Palpy gets downgraded since he was amped by the Dyad among other things. So RIP Tier 6 Canon Star Wars... You'll still exist in a new Palpatine key or something I gues...

Also, from now on, we should take the Lucasfilm Story Group with a grain of salt; if it seems like they are giving an opinion or they are not sure then their statement have nothing to do with canon.

It turns out that Matt Martin was completly unaware that Palpatine was a clone, and thought that he was being asked about some clickbait article. Apparently the early script he read didn't have that, and the decision to make Palpatine a clone was made without his knowledge.
 
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