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It's not "immediately shutting down".Dark649 said:What's to discuss if you will immediatly try to shut down everything that is brought up?.
The High 4-C calc is completely unnaceptable but it's being swept under the rug.Dark649 said:Despite the things Matt mentioned, i don't think the High 4-C and 3-C calc will be that lower.
Just because you disagree with him, doesn't mean you have to close the thread.Matthew Schroeder said:I literally never wanted to close this thread, but you are basically asking to do it by basically acting like my side of the argument doesn't matter anymore.
I literally never wanted to close this thread, but you are basically asking to do it.Matthew Schroeder said:When have I talked about closing the thread? Can you stop strawmaning me?
In that comment he quoted you said you felt like the other side was asking you to close the thread...Matthew Schroeder said:When have I talked about closing the thread? Can you stop strawmaning me?
Matthew Schroeder said:Also...
What is the evidence Goku shook all of the Afterlife?
He powers up and we see Grand Kai fall from his chair. That's all there is to it. It doesn't mean Goku shook the entire universe. Could have been just a part of it.
Also I've been talking with Cal recently and the Broly feat is an outlier. He did it in Suppressed Super Saiyan and as Super Perfect Cell could only destroy a solar system with his strongest attack.
Something two things which haven't really been addressed properly.Matthew Schroeder said:Goku literally falls into Hell after dropping from Snake Way. That indicates a number of things:
It's very likely that King Yemma's palace is akin to the upper atmosphere while Hell is the ground.
- Hell has a gravitational pull over King Yemma's palace
- Hell and King Yemma's palace share an atmosphere or else Goku would jusr float in the vacuum
- Hell and King Yemma's palace are not that far away for each other, as Goku didn't fall for lightyears to crash into it.
What? I'm talking about not closing the thread and now you randomly want to do it? Why? All I did was ask you to treat me fairly and not say I wanted to do something I don't want to.Dark649 said:I literally never wanted to close this thread, but you are basically asking to do it.
You really didn't? 3-C GT Goku based on the Hell shaking feat is completely wrong. And the distance between Hell and the Grand Kai's planet isn't quantifiable, nor is it demonstrably proven that Goku shook all of the Afterlife, which is what the calc is based on. If the calc's basic premises can't be proven than it isn't usable.Kepekley23 said:I have also explained many times over why that notion doesn't result in any downgrade to the feat even you pick the low end.
BlackeJan said:Can yall calm down? lets just get this over with and do the tallies the
Yep, Gohan Boo's feat is an outlier.Promestein said:Collectively chill. Let's tackle the questions and issues here one at a time.
3-C Goku is fine, but the result being so high leaves me a bit uncertain, as it could put GT characters into 3-B, which seems outlier-y when Omega Shenron has the only concrete 3-B feat. But I dunno.
Buuhan's feat is definitely an outlier.
This. It's not a legitimate feat. Neither destroying Heaven nor the Vice Shout. Buu is either 4-A or 3-C via legitimate, quantifiable feats which actually happened.The real cal howard said:I don't just think 3-B Buuhan is an outlier, I think it's straight up bs.
This is the most I can concede to.Promestein said:3-B is quite outliery.
I'm fine with Kep's suggestions for the tiers. Maybe At least 3-C for the earlier GT characters is best, and then 3-B for the relevant Shenrons, SSJ4 Goku at his peak, Omega Shenron, and Gogeta.
Janemba warping the Afterlife in the same movie is a tier 3 feat that is even stated in the Daizenshuu to be the case, so you're kinda very wrong. Even if we discard it as an outlier.The real cal howard said:At the absolute best, there's one tier 3 feat
BlackeJan said:So 3-C for DBZ and GT (they would have an At Least) and 3-B for the Shenrons or just Omega Shenron and up
This sounds good