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SnO rescalling and Statements (pls carefully read)

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LordGriffin1000 said:
You should add the scan of that planet being Fragmented by the cross into her AP description.
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Name: Ikaros, Uranus Queen, Alpha

Attack Potency: Multi-Continental much higher (Destructive power is massively above the humans in her verse, who have the power to set off Mt. Fuji's entire volcanic chain and could fragment the planet with a cross if not stopped. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. The Lord of the Heavens has called the humans on Earthworms, bugs, pests, and along with the royal council of Synapse called humans fodder compared to base Ikaros. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast. As stated by the Co-Creator of existence from Synapse that humans were created to be their playthings and Ikaros is a weapon of Synapse and has its strongest power system the Variable Wing Core.) Moon Level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100 ) | Large Planet Level likely higher (Pandora Ikaros upgrades her powers exponentially by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode all at once each getting blasted by Artemis which isn't her strongest weapon. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment. Chaos absorbing the melans powers and weapons raised her power level to the point as commanded by her master to use them on Synapse and Earth then proceeded to say destroy "this stagnant reality". Low 2-C using Transport Card (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality)

So would this be good?
 
Thank you for helping out Griffin.
 
We at least need a go-ahead from @Qawsedf234 and @LordGriffin1000 first, and given that DontTalk has argued against this in the past, that is also a major detriment for your cause.
 
The justifications are a bit wordy. I'd go with:
At least Multi-Continental (Angeloids are noted multiple times as being of superior power to human in-universe, who have the power to fragment the planet if not stopped in time. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast). At least Multi-Continental, possibly Small Planet level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100 )

At least Moon Level+, possibly Large Planet level (Pandora Ikaros increases her powers by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment, which was noted as raising her power level to the point she was implied to be a threat to the Earth). Universal level+ environmental destruction with the transport card (The transport card reset reality to erase the events of a single day)
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Antvasima said:
We at least need a go-ahead from @Qawsedf234 and @LordGriffin1000 first, and given that DontTalk has argued against this in the past, that is also a major detriment for your cause.
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Donttalk argued they shouldn’t scale to the rule or Zeus in the past because he scaling the verse off a weak Ikaros being able to destroy Japan. When in fact she’s massively above fodders in her verse who have at least High 6-A feats. Literally what I’m scaling them off right now.

Qawsed and Griffin agreed on this thread they scale massively above the humans in their verse. Donttalk literaly said this thread can stay open for others opinions.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The justifications are a bit wordy. I'd go with:
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You're missing the part where it was stated Chaos had the power to destroy Synapse which has a star in the dimension which is why I put "Large Planet Level likely higher"

Also who have the power to set off a volcanic chain that could fragment the planet if not stopped
^^^ Also it should be "set off Mt. Fuji Volanic Chain and could fragment the planet if not stopped"
The Mt. Fuji and planet fragment feat that was going to happen are two different feats.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Scaling to a High 6-A feat doesn't mean that them scaling to a 3-A one, that's not even confirmed they scale to as well, legitimate.
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The problem is he thought it was outliers and the statements should have beeb avoided to scale them to 3-A since he scaled a weak Ikaros country level.

But once again I'm not focused on 3-A stuff

They scale massively above the humans in their verse. Zero the main character in Judas has a recurring role in SnO not to mention the other Judas characters who made appearances as well.

Along with appearing in the manga multiple times also appear in the anime episode 6 and 8 featuring Zero, Judas, and Eve
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Qawsedf234 said:
It doesn't as we've discussed before.

Isn't anywhere near a High 6-A feat. Which is why its not included there. But I'll word it differently I guess.
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Just because we discussed it doesn't mean you're right. You're the same one that said Ikaros flew Tomoki to Synapse without a portal and I proved that wrong. I guess Astraea and Nymph died for nothing for the cause then.


The synapse dimension has a star in it. The scans are literally them entering the dimension through the dive game which allows dimensional travel through Tomoki's dream as it is connected to Synapse since the portal to Synapse was closed.
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Mt. Fuji erupting is a country level feat but setting off the entire volcanic chain according to the calc is High 6-A https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Silver_Saint_Misty_rocks_you_like_a_hurricane!
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
You did not. You can physically see through the barrier and there is no indication the star scene isn't just the Sun since there's only one light source present.
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Just because you can see through the portal when you get close to it means what in this specific scan only? Enchantress made a portal from Earth to Asgard I guess since you can see through it means they share a light source or Magik connecting a portal from Limbo a demonic realm directly on Earth's surface. I guess Limbo now has Earth's light source

Also, I'm pretty sure I did prove you wrong when you stated Ikaros didn't need to fly through the portal in order to enter Synapse. Tomoki got off the phone with Sugata in chapter 74. Tomoki said he needed to go to Synapse after the call. He recommended the dive game. Nymph stated he can't Synapse is in the severance phase because of The Rule. Tomoki then suggests they fly directly into Synapse. Nymph stated once again they can't because Zeus was in place. Then said she'll be the one to go which was her destroying Zeus from the inside with her hacking abilities so Tomoki could enter the portal. Because that's what I read in chapter 74. A point you tried to prove stating Synapse exist in the dimensions as Earth.

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These scans are specifically stated to be Synapse itself. So I'm going to agree with the manga instead of your headcanon. Like why would Synapse a dimension, who angels created the universe and all of it parallel universes and exist independently from existence as they created it along with existing for EONS need a light source from a solar system when they made it? You're literally outright stating Synapse is a part of the Solar System and that's funny. The portal to Synapse is literally made by manipulating the magnetic forces of the planet. This is literally why Nymph had to destroy Zeus so Tomoki could enter the portal because the dive game to enter the dimension was turned off when the world was being destroyed by The Rule being severance phase. This means once the planet was fully destroyed after Ikaros took Tomoki to Synapse the portal itself doesn't exist anymore. I would love to see scans to prove your point. Humans have only existed for thousands of years... Synapse has been scientifically developing for Eons. So the math isn't matching. The very scans below disagree. Tons of studies have been shown on that hole of magnetic energy if you see through it as you say why were so many attempts unsuccessful and the result came back as "I don't know"?

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The links show setting off Mt. Fuji volcanic chain is High 6-A.
 
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Freedomstar said:
Enchantress made a portal from Earth to Asgard I guess since you can see through it means they share a light source or Magik connecting a portal from Limbo a demonic realm directly on Earth's surface. I guess Limbo now has Earth's light source
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In those you can see a lightning difference and more importantly a lack of blending. In here its a literal sphere that floats around the Earth that things can pass through.
LordGriffin1000 said:
No, that link shows nothing... it leads to an empty page...
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He forgot to add the exclamation point to the link. Said calc was never accepted though.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
In those you can see a lightning difference and more importantly a lack of blending. In here its a literal sphere that floats around the Earth that things can pass through.

He forgot to add the exclamation point to the link. Said calc was never accepted though.
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1. No it's not the sphere is literally a hole of magnetic energy from the planet which acts as an entryway between Synapse and Earth. There is no sphere. It's literally Ikaros flying the portal which is a black circle of energy and what's it like flying through.
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Let's talk actual panel, not assumptions you can't prove. Lmao if it was a barrier around Synapse don't you think it would have been eliminated too since the "barrier" is formed and kept together by using the magnetic forces generated by the axis of the north and south pole of the scan???? I'm talking right off the panel word from word. You haven't shown me anything except an artistic view of what it looks like entering the portal. Your statements aren't proving anything. You're talking about light blending when it's been proven by scientists on the planet flying to and through the portal literally could not find out what it was. The verdict was "I don't know". So anything passing through is a lie. So I'm going to continue believing what's actually on the panel >>>> What you're saying

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I mean let us just use logic because what would be the point in taking Tomoki to Synapse if the so-called "barrier" around it (even though it's a portal to get into Synapse) is powered by the Planets magnetic forces is destroyed? Like you said, "its a literal sphere that floats around the Earth that things can pass through." Synapse as a chain reaction of the planet being destroyed would also be gone too. Just like existence being destroyed too every time Synapse was remade.
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When the Earth is destroyed the very place the portal was made out of you can still see rays of light from the star in Synapse he travels the place
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Freedomstar said:
Synapse as a chain reaction of the planet being destroyed would also be gone too
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The wish only targeted the Earth and Moon, there's nothing being effected there and the Sun would still remain as is. Spamming giant images thst clutter the thread doesn't change that.

But we've already went over this and you've already said you're making a new thread on it, so it's whatever.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The wish only targeted the Earth and Moon, there's nothing being effected there and the Sun would still remain as is. Spamming giant images thst clutter the thread doesn't change that.

But we've already went over this and you've already said you're making a new thread on it, so it's whatever
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I can post actually evidence to back up my words. If you can't find scans just say that. Scans > Your words. I proved you Synapse literally used the magnetic forces of Earth to make a portal. You claimed it was a barrier or sphere surrounding Synapse which should have been destroyed when Earth was.

Also, you're wrong the target was just Earth. Sugata's wish wasn't for a new moon it got caught up in a chain reaction. His wish was "I don't want this world please give me a new world". Word from Word straight from the panel. The same thing happens the angels used the rule on Synapse it was stated existence was eliminated as a side effect.

Anyways Synapse existed for EONS and then created the existence with big bang itself which is 14 billion years old while the sun is 4.6 billion of Earth's Solar System.
I'm glad Synapse waited 9-10 billion years in the dark waiting for one Solar System. Imagine advancing scientifically for eons to create existence and then wait 9 billion years for one solar system as a light source. Imagine making the big bang but can't create your own light source. Even then so many light sources out here and you wait on one solar system. Lmao
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So what you're doing despite the scans telling you that portal is made by Earth magnetic forms you openly believe Synapse is a part of the universe despite them making it? I love headcanon especially when you know you can't post a scan to prove it.

But we've already went over this and you've already said you're making a new thread on it, so it's whatever
Okay going over something doesn't mean you're right??? I don't work on your logic as you said in this thread "well around here if you say something and people agree with it you're right" I stated I would make a new thread as LordGriffin suggested for the tier 3/2 feats

Anyways this is actually getting tiresome arguing headcanon so I'm going to apply your stats to get to over with.
 
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Freedomstar said:
I'm glad Synapse waited 9-10 billion years in the dark waiting for one Solar System
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Once again, you continue to misunderstand my point. I said they shared the same light source, not that they were always in the dark. You're make continued strawmen points from my arguments and I'm just tired of it.

Here's the updated tiering list with the actual calc.
At least Multi-Continental (Angeloids are noted multiple times as being of superior power to human in-universe, who have the power to fragment the planet if not stopped in time which would yield this much energy. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast). At least Multi-Continental (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100)

At least Small Planet level (Pandora Ikaros increases her powers by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment, which was noted as raising her power level to the point she was implied to be a threat to the Earth). Universal level+ environmental destruction with the transport card (The transport card reset reality to erase the events of a single day)
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Tiering would be
  • People = 1.71562877486090004097718520e+26 Joules (High 6-A)
  • Angels > Humans by some degree
  • 1.71562877486090004097718520e+26 * 100 = 1.71562877e+28 Joules (High 6-A)
  • 1.71562877e+28 * 500 = 8.578143e+30 Joules (Low 5-B)
It can be used if the volcano thing calc gets accepted.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Once again, you continue to misunderstand my point. I said they shared the same light source, not that they were always in the dark. You're make continued strawmen points from my arguments and I'm just tired of it.

Here's the updated tiering list with the actual calc.

Tiering would be
  • People = 1.71562877486090004097718520e+26 Joules (High 6-A)
  • Angels > Humans by some degree
  • 1.71562877486090004097718520e+26 * 100 = 1.71562877e+28 Joules (High 6-A)
  • 1.71562877e+28 * 500 = 8.578143e+30 Joules (Low 5-B)
It can be used if the volcano thing calc gets accepted.
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They don't share the same light source it's not proven. What is proven is the portal to Synapse created by manipulating the magnetic forces on the planet.


Those are not the same feats. The two are different revelations of power.

Feat: Humans with powers can undo seal which will give them the apocalyptic powers of Revelations
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As shown (Right to Left) the Apostle of destruction unlocks the second calamity of the revelations and uses its power to set off what seems to be the entire Mount Fuji volcanic chain.
As you stated it would be a High 6-A feat if accepted

Feat: With the power of the revelations on the final calamity of 7 days they are able to destroy the planet
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I'm pretty sure this would be nearly 5-C if calc'd

I would stick with what you had first in my opinion.

At Least Multi-Continental (Angeloids are noted multiple times as being of superior power to human in-universe, who have the power to fragment the planet if not stopped in time. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast). At least Multi-Continental +, possibly Small Planet level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100) At least Moon Level+, possibly Large Planet level (Pandora Ikaros increases her powers by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment, which was noted as raising her power level to the point she was implied to be a threat to the Earth). Universal level+ environmental destruction with the transport card (The transport card reset reality to erase the events of a single day)

But change it to this

Multi-Continental + possibly Moon level (Angeloids are noted multiple times as being of superior power to humans in-universe, who have the power set off a volcanic chain and even go too fast as fragment the planet if not stopped in time with a cross. It was stated the humans were absolutely weak compared to base Ikaros as she punished them for making a tower to the heavens. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast). Moon Level +, possibly Small Planet level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100) Planet level, possibly Large Planet level (Pandora Ikaros increases her powers by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment, which was noted as raising her power level to the point she was implied to be a threat to the Earth and Synapse). Universal level+ environmental destruction with the transport card (The transport card reset reality to erase the events of a single day)
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
It might be. But you would need to get it calced first to get a hard rating for the multipliers. If it is 5-C and its a viable attack thing we can roll from there.
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It might be small planet level if the planet was going to really be destroyed. But once again was defeated in time
 
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What Qawsedf has accepted can probably be applied, if Griffin is fine with it.
 
Is there any way one of y'all to call a calc member to see if they can look at the Mt. Fuji and the destroying the world feat?

I tried to get it calc'd months ago but I don't wanna spam the calc thread. I know everyone is busy and I respect that.
 
If you show images for the full feats in a post here, I can ask a few of them to calculate it if you wish.
 
Freedomstar said:
They don't share the same light source it's not proven. What is proven is the portal to Synapse created by manipulating the magnetic forces on the planet.


Those are not the same feats. The two are different revelations of power.

Feat: Humans with powers can undo seal which will give them the apocalyptic powers of Revelations
Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4
As shown (Right to Left) the Apostle of destruction unlocks the second calamity of the revelations and uses its power to set off what seems to be the entire Mount Fuji volcanic chain.
As you stated it would be a High 6-A feat if accepted

Feat: With the power of the revelations on the final calamity of 7 days they are able to destroy the planet
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I'm pretty sure this would be nearly 5-C if calc'd

I would stick with what you had first in my opinion.

At Least Multi-Continental (Angeloids are noted multiple times as being of superior power to human in-universe, who have the power to fragment the planet if not stopped in time. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast). At least Multi-Continental +, possibly Small Planet level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100) At least Moon Level+, possibly Large Planet level (Pandora Ikaros increases her powers by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment, which was noted as raising her power level to the point she was implied to be a threat to the Earth). Universal level+ environmental destruction with the transport card (The transport card reset reality to erase the events of a single day)

But change it to this

Multi-Continental + possibly Moon level (Angeloids are noted multiple times as being of superior power to humans in-universe, who have the power set off a volcanic chain and even go too fast as fragment the planet if not stopped in time with a cross. It was stated the humans were absolutely weak compared to base Ikaros as she punished them for making a tower to the heavens. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast). Moon Level +, possibly Small Planet level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100) Planet level, possibly Large Planet level (Pandora Ikaros increases her powers by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment, which was noted as raising her power level to the point she was implied to be a threat to the Earth and Synapse). Universal level+ environmental destruction with the transport card (The transport card reset reality to erase the events of a single day)
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Freedomstar said:
Is there any way one of y'all to call a calc member to see if they can look at the Mt. Fuji and the destroying the world feat?

I tried to get it calc'd months ago but I don't wanna spam the calc thread. I know everyone is busy and I respect that.
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Would any of you be willing to calculate this please?
 
Well, I see the calc group is busy which I understand.

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Well according to this Calc splitting the moon is moon+ level

The downer in Ikaros verse had the power to send a cross right into the center of the planet that was going to turn the world into ashes. It's been stated consistently the world was going to be destroyed throughout the manga. The scan above is a demonstration of what would happen if the downer succeeded in destroying the planet showing a cross sent to the center of the planet. If you look closely the earth was split in half and chunks were flying up. I know a feat like that is at least small planet level.

Of we can scale them off-planet level from Nymph destroying planets like Qawsed agree which was shown to actually happen later in the manga.
 
Well, I would much prefer if we use an accepted calculation blog as proof for the scaling. Do you know any people that you can ask for help with this?
 
Unfortunately no I do not. Is it not okay to compare calcs because calc members have done it all the time on threads I made with similar feats? It was stated numerous times the planet would be destroyed and turned into ashes. The scan showed the destruction process of the planet being split in the half and chunks flying as the cross was sent to the center of the planet. So I compared it to the moon being split in half which is Moon level +. I'm also comparing it to other splitting the planet calcs which show a lot of low 5-B to 5-B.
 
Well, if you list all of the visual evidence for any feats you want calculated, I can ask a few members to help you out.
 
Yes, those are scans of christ forming to destroy the planet. As shown on the impact the planet is cracked in half and chucks are flying up.

Qawsed said before that is multi-continental and I highly doubt that.
 
Okay. I will ask some calc group members to help us out.
 
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