SnO rescalling and Statements (pls carefully read)

[Freedomstar]

Remaking the world isn't a Low 2-C feat, just a 5-B one. The closest is the Big Bang thing that may not have even been from the Synapse according to how the dialogue is laid out. This is at best a 3-A scaling showing, which even then I find questionable.

As Ikaros explained the initial stage of the Rule causes Synapse to ceased to exist and everything is destroyed when they used it to fix the structure of the world several times from the demands of the angels. A universal feat possibly higher the everything would be the universe they created which has several realms of existence. Sugata used the Rule to remake the world from his Brother's dream by Chaos tping him. Sugata told Tomoki to stop his wish as he was dying. Tomoki then overrides his wish since there was space for another one and resetted the timeline which is why Synapse Core has Low 2-C. Not only that Daedalus talked about the rule as one of her greatest inventions. The transports cards, her other weapons that are supposed to work on a lesser scale, and did a Low 2-C feat in chapter 2 alone.

Also, there is no how the dialogue is laid out. Daedalus is one of the top scientists in Synapse along with Minos. She literally says "of course, in reality, the big bang is our work as well". She literally flat out stated she had a part in making the big bang.

As stated before I'm not going back and forth with what's stated on the panel.

 

[Qawsedf234]

As Ikaros explained the initial stage of the Rule causes Synapse to ceased to exist and everything is destroyed when they used it to fix the structure of the world several times from the demands of the angels

Which is a 5-B feat. Because the structure of the world is referring to the Earth and Moon, not the entire universe. Every single usage of the word "World" in those chapters are literally referring to the world, not an abstract representation of the entire universe.

She literally flat out stated she had a part in making the big bang.

Then followed that the Synapse is what is used to remake the world. Not what was used to create the Big Bang.

But even if it was used to make the big bang, that's still only a 3-A feat since time was a concept before the Big Bang was created. You're also attempting to scale a Environmental Destruction feat to everyone's AP, which is why I said the only way you'd get a 3-A rating is with a possibly modifier.

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234

Thank you for helping out.

What do you think needs to be done here? Change a tier from Low 2-C to 5-B?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think needs to be done here?

I think the Synapse should go to 3-A, since there's no indication it has universal scale space-time manipulation. With all the brought up examples by Freedom star just being planetary scale feats.

For the characters I don't think they should scale at all, but if they do it would also max out at 3-A rather than Low 2-C.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. So why 3-A instead of 5-B in that case?

 

[Qawsedf234]

So why 3-A instead of 5-B in that case?

Because the Synapse was used to cause the Big Bang. Their scaling relies on the assumption that Zeus can hit harder than the Synapse's output, which I find iffy which is why I stated possibly 3-A is the most I really see.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine then.

 

[Freedomstar]

Which is a 5-B feat. Because the structure of the world is referring to the Earth and Moon, not the entire universe. Every single usage of the word "World" in those chapters are literally referring to the world, not an abstract representation of the entire universe.

Then followed that the Synapse is what is used to remake the world. Not what was used to create the Big Bang.

But even if it was used to make the big bang, that's still only a 3-A feat since time was a concept before the Big Bang was created. You're also attempting to scale a Environmental Destruction feat to everyone's AP, which is why I said the only way you'd get a 3-A rating is with a possibly modifier.

You obviously didn't read my post correctly and I'll copy and paste it again.

As Ikaros explained the initial stage of the Rule causes Synapse to ceased to exist and everything is destroyed when they used it to fix the structure of the world several times from the demands of the angels. A universal feat possibly higher the everything would be the universe they created which has several realms of existence. Sugata used the Rule to remake the world from his Brother's dream by Chaos tping him. Sugata told Tomoki to stop his wish as he was dying. Tomoki then overrides his wish since there was space for another one and resetted the timeline which is why Synapse Core has Low 2-C. Not only that Daedalus talked about the rule as one of her greatest inventions. The transports cards, her other weapons that are supposed to work on a lesser scale, and did a Low 2-C feat in chapter 2 alone.

AKA Tomoki used his wish to reset the timeline reversing Sugata's wish and bringing back everyone who died. This is the reason why the Synapse Core is labeled Low 2-C. Even without Tomoki resetting the timeline, it's still at the minimum 3-A as Ikaros confirms the everything was destroyed as Synapse ceased to Exist every time they used The Rule on Synapse. It's literally a reality-warping device it all depends on what you want. Heck, the angels were using it for riches and more.


Every single usage of the word "World" in those chapters are literally referring to the world, not an abstract representation of the entire universe.
I'm glad you said that because Ikaros described and the panel shows the power of the rule as this.

But even if it was used to make the big bang, that's still only a 3-A feat since time was a concept before the Big Bang was created. You're also attempting to scale a Environmental Destruction feat to everyone's AP, which is why I said the only way you'd get a 3-A rating is with a possibly modifier.

My goal of this thread is base form angeloids scale massively above humans in their verse who obtained the power to destroy the planet. The verse scaled off an extremely weak Ikaros stated to bust Japan in a fight with Nymph. (Since others did not know other mangas by the same author took place on the same planet as they are less popular). DT and Kaitlas thought it would be a massive outlier to upgrade the angeloids to tier 3 or 2 because of a weak Ikaros statement. This is why I created a thread of proving evidence that it's not. I also posted tons of characters profiles that have big bang and universe/timeline destruction/creation listed as their AP and other profiles who scale to it. Also when Tomoki temporality gained the power of a Buddha he accessed the powers of six realms of existence which he manipulated into his own liking. Which means the universe is bigger than a normal one.

For example
Chaos absorbed the melans and was stated she could take on Synapse itself with the energy she obtained. The technological might of Synapse includes the strongest large scale Tech which is Zeus (Stronger than the Rule which destroys and remake the universe or the Timeline. Also another large scale device created the big bang explosion) and Transports cards which connect to powerful techs on Synapse resetted the entire episodic event of Chapter 2 and also destroying the old reality which was stated to be one of Synapse's many powerful weapons other than angeloids.

Chaos was stated she could bare her fangs against Synapse when absorbing Siren. She was absorbing the energy cores of melans and her power level skyrocketed to the point she could battle all of Synapse weapons. When she finished absorbing the cores it was stated she could destroy Synapse.

 

[Freedomstar]

Okay. So why 3-A instead of 5-B in that case?

No, The Rule is a reality-warping tech like Shenron but on a much higher level.

It literally does anything you command it to do.

1. The angels used to wish for riches and everything they wanted.

2. Ikaros stated multiple times The Rule was used to fix the structure of the world multiple times. When doing so Synapse ceases to exist and the everything is destroyed which would be the universe. The creator of the Rule confirms what Ikaros says.

3. Sugata used the rule to create a new world by Chaos forcing him to with her mental abilities. So the Rule deleted his world and going to manipulate the timeline to put a world that was his brother's dream in place

4. Sugata warned Tomoki and told him to stop his wish. As Tomoki got there, there was another space to override Sugata's wish for a new world. So Tomoki wished everything was back to normal. Which resetted the timeline bringing back everyone who died even those in Synapse. Which why Synapse core got a Low 2-C rating from Tomoki.

This entire time Qawsedf234 has been solely focused on number 3. When numbers 2 and 4 are 3-A and Low 2-C feats

Also, Synapse the dimension itself didn't cause the Big Bang the scientist such as Daedelus had a part in making it. It was stated Minos is vastly above her and unparallel with large-scale tech. This is why Zeus is Synapse's strongest large-scale tech and in the anime was stated to destroy universes.

 

[Qawsedf234]

A universal feat possibly higher the everything

All that's ever shown in this scene, as stated multiple times before is only effecting the Earth and Moon. You've provided nothing to support a universe scale reset, which wouldn't even make sense with the wish that started this off in the first place.

I'm glad you said that because Ikaros described and the panel shows the power of the rule as this.

Yes, and every single subsequent shot after that scene shows the Earth slowly being destroyed, with nothing else mentioned. World refers to Earth, nothing else and saying the same thing over and over again with no new evidence won't change that. If it was universal in scale it would be easy to show a statement or on panel showing of it being universal in scale.

This entire time @Qawsedf234 has been solely focused on number 3. When numbers 2 and 4 are 3-A and Low 2-C feats

Number 4 is only a 5-B feat. The only Tier 3/2 feat is the Big Bang one. Number 2 is you taking a statement about resetting the Earth and ratcheting it up to be a universal wipe and reset.

 

[Freedomstar]

All that's ever shown in this scene, as stated multiple times before is only effecting the Earth and Moon. You've provided nothing to support a universe scale reset, which wouldn't even make sense with the wish that started this off in the first place.

Yes, and every single subsequent shot after that scene shows the Earth slowly being destroyed, with nothing else mentioned. World refers to Earth, nothing else and saying the same thing over and over again with no new evidence won't change that. If it was universal in scale it would be easy to show a statement or on panel showing of it being universal in scale.

Number 4 is only a 5-B feat. The only Tier 3/2 feat is the Big Bang one. Number 2 is you taking a statement about resetting the Earth and ratcheting it up to be a universal wipe and reset.

"which wouldn't even make sense with the wish that started this off in the first place" I don't know how many times I have to explain it. Sugata literally stated he wanted a new world where he fits in because of his brother's death. The rule was deleting the Earth and going to tamper with the timeline to make a world in Sugata's favor. Sugata begs that Tomoki stops his dream. When Tomoki gets to the Rule there is enough to make another wish. Which he rewrites the timeline bringing back everyone who died because of the Rule and those who died way before the Rule was even activated and even on Synapse too.

You're focused on solely Sugata wish and trying to erase Ikaros stated it destroyed the universe several times with the angels' wishes and Tomoki resetted the timeline

Number 4 is Tomoki the reason why the Rule is rated Low 2-C for resetting the universe bringing back characters who died because of Sugata's wish and even characters who died way before the Rule even was even activated along with characters on Synapse. AKA resetted the timeline literally rated on the profile page "Tamaki rewrote the universe bringing back all those who have died"

Number 2 is Ikaros talking about the Rule. Ikaros literally explains what the rule is and they used it to fix the structure of Synapse several times. She goes on to say Synapse ceases to exist and everything is destroyed every time they use it. Which is a 3-A feat. Ikaros creator, who also created the rule confirms what Ikaros says. Nowhere she mentioned Earth in these scans explaining the history of the Rule. So saying Ikaros referring to "world" as in Earth is a lie when Ikaros is talking about Synapse.

According to LordGriffin the Transport cards did a Low 2-C in chapter 2 and are stated to be weapons. Chaos had the power to take on Synapse's technological might and even destroy everything.

But I'm tired of going back in circles over this TBH at the moment I'm too busy with school. I would scale I'll rather scale them off Nymph's Sun feat go from there and put Low 2-C with transport cards for now. LordGriffin suggested I make a new thread that's more organized and easy for people to follow as several people complained it's messy and I admit myself. I add too much information I tried to present but I'm still not familiar with this site's format so I deleted it all.

 

[Freedomstar]

Freedomstar:

I usually don't have the time to read the posts of all regular members, so I try to delegate the evaluation work for the sake of efficiency.


Thank you.

@DemonGodMitchAubin @Migue79 @KieranH10

Would any of you be willing to calculate this feat please? I would appreciate the help.

If you're not reading all the points I brought up then I don't think you should be agreeing with anyone's points at all. This shows bias and unfairness especially for someone who has not read the series and has spread misinformation. He literally said in a post alone The closest is the Big Bang thing that may not have even been from the Synapse according to how the dialogue is laid out. Which would be false. Daedelus came out of her mouth and said she had a part in making the big bang. You liked his post saying this showing agreeance. Yet when I post Daedelus stating she helped make the big bang and it was a part of her work there no likes.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The rule was deleting the Earth and going to tamper with the timeline to make a world in Sugata's favor

Which is not a Low 2-C feat. Deconstruction and reconstruction of a planetary space isn't enough to get Tier 2.

Which would be false. Daedelus came out of her mouth and said she had a part in making the big bang.

My point there wasn't that they didn't make it, but I don't know if the Synapse did it. Though I guess that is a stupid point to really get into since even if they didn't use the Synapse it would scale to it anyways.

 

[Freedomstar]

Which is not a Low 2-C feat. Deconstruction and reconstruction of a planetary space isn't enough to get Tier 2.

My point there wasn't that they didn't make it, but I don't know if the Synapse did it. Though I guess that is a stupid point to really get into since even if they didn't use the Synapse it would scale to it anyways.

What are you talking about? No one said that Sugata wish was Low 2-C.

1. I said The Rule has repeated 3-A feats because Ikaros stated it was used multiple times to fix the structure of Synapse. The first step is Synapse would cease to exist and everything will be destroyed as she went over the history of it. The creator of the rule said this happened multiple times as she flies Tomoki to it approving what Ikaros said.

2. I stated Tomoki's wish which the Synapse Core (isn't even its name never been called that in the manga its "The Rule") is rated off Low 2-C for resetting the timeline bringing everyone back to life because of Sugata wish and events prior to the rule activation and even beings on Synapse dimension too.

You're too busy worrying about Sugata's wish and ignoring everything I stated trying to lowball and downgrade to 5-B which is funny. When even if you lowball The Rule and it still would be at least Star level as it caused Synapse to cease to exist. Meanwhile, Synapse has a whole star in its dimension. That's just ignoring the part when it destroys the universe after Synapse ceases to exist.

3. Who is this Synapse you're referring to exactly? I'm confused. The Synapse is the dimension the Angels reside in and build a civilization there over eons.

Daedelus stated out her mouth "We of Synapse... Our Civilization is more ancient than you and your friends could even imagine Tomoki."

Tomoki stated, "This... is ancient?"

Daedelus responded, "That's right. Older even than what you Dubbed the "Big Bang". Of Course in reality the "Big Bang" was our work as well."

I'm not going back and forth it's just circles. All you're doing is ignoring my points. You skipped a whole post and replied to solely Sugata. Which means you're intentionally doing this. It's getting repetitive I don't have time for it with someone who hasn't read the manga too busy with school. Like I said I agreed the angeloids should scale off Nymph's base form busting through planets and chipping the sun for now and stated they should have Low 2-C for transport cards for now until I make a clean thread as Lordgriffin suggested.

 

[Antvasima]

Again, I usually only have the time to let other staff members evaluate threads, and then check if what they have written seems to make sense. It is the only way that I am able to handle so much work.

 

[Qawsedf234]

until I make a clean thread as Lordgriffin suggested.

If you're making a new thread with a different presentation then I'll just close this one. Just send me a message if you need it reopened.

 

[Freedomstar]

Again, I usually only have the time to let other staff members evaluate threads, and then check if what they have written seems to make sense. It is the only way that I am able to handle so much work.

I'm going to make a thread for my tier 3 detailed explanation later but not anytime soon or months because I don't have enough time to re-read the manga due to school and etc.

My goal is to have the base angeloids AP scale massively above downers who can do this in their verse. Since the angeloids scale basically on a weak beat up Ikaros stated to easily bust Japan in her fight with Nymph.

Feat: Humans with powers can undo seal which will give them the apocalyptic powers of Revelations

As shown (Right to Left) the Apostle of destruction unlocks the second calamity of the revelations and uses its power to set off what seems to be the entire Mount Fuji volcanic chain.
Looking at this calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheUnshakableOne/Silver_Saint_Misty_rocks_you_like_a_hurricane! it seems this would be a High 6-A feat.

Feat: With the power of the revelations on the final day they are able to destroy the planet

I tried to get it calc and even bumped it. I think the calc group is really busy.

I also would let them to get a low 2-C via transport card on their profile. Since Ikaros did an episodic reset of chapter 2 with it. This would only apply to Ikaros, Nymph, and Astraea as they are the only angeloids, who are shown to have transport cards in their arsenal.

The angeloids base form should be multi continental-moon level at least.

 

[Freedomstar]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Newendigo @Qawsedf234 @Ionliosite @Sir_Ovens @Dargoo_Faust @Confluctor @DarkGrath @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Ricsi-viragosi @Ionliosite @LordGriffin1000

What do you think about the following post?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/sno-rescalling-and-statements-pls-carefully-read.122672/post-4233710

 

[Confluctor]

This is still not concluded?

The volcanic chain thing seems like the best way to scale them for the time being. Still very very unsure about any tier 3 or 2 feats. Even moon level from the post you linked seems confusing/something that won't work. But the volcano eruption thing should be good for now (until someone calculates this specific feat)

 

[Antvasima]

Qawsedf234 and DontTalkDT seem to have rejected the higher feats in this and previoust SnO threads, if I remember correctly.

 

[Freedomstar]

Qawsedf234 and DontTalkDT seem to have rejected the higher feats in this and previoust SnO threads, if I remember correctly.

Actually, DT rejected it because he stated they're outliers scaling verse off weak Ikaros when it was stated to could easily wipe out a country. When in actuality there are several mangas in that one verse. DT only read SnO the most popular one. Angeloids are basically the high tiers and should have AP at least Multi Continental-Moon Level in base forms scaling massively above downers in their verse.

But I'm not focused on that any of that at the moment.


I focused on upgrading the angeloids above the downers and going from there.
But yes the angeloids should have Low 2-C via transport cards. The transport card did an episodic reset of the entire chapter 2. The transports Cards powered by techs on Synapse, The cards are a part of their arsenal but a note should be made that they rarely use them in battle on their pages. The cards are already listed on their profiles in powers and abilities. I see no reason to not put Low 2-C via Transport Cards did an episodic reset of chapter 2 turning reality into a dream to resetting it. It's showing the power of the cards they can use.

 

[Freedomstar]

This is still not concluded?

The volcanic chain thing seems like the best way to scale them for the time being. Still very very unsure about any tier 3 or 2 feats. Even moon level from the post you linked seems confusing/something that won't work. But the volcano eruption thing should be good for now (until someone calculates this specific feat)

Well, it was given a visualization of how the world would be destroyed. Qawsedf234 stated the feat would be multi continental+ to moon level. Basically the same range as the calc of setting off the entire Mt Fuji chain which is High 6-A. Nevertheless, the angeloids are still massively above humans. Ikaros alone is Synapse's strongest power system and humans were made to be stepped on or looked down upon.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I still feel like the cards didn't preform a Tier 3 feat. It can be explained away with far lesser degrees of power.

But for the physical upgrades I don't mind if they're applied. The sonic scream feat is already something that would get you Tier 5 results.

 

[Freedomstar]

I still feel like the cards didn't preform a Tier 3 feat. It can be explained away with far lesser degrees of power.

But for the physical upgrades I don't mind if they're applied. The sonic scream feat is already something that would get you Tier 5 results.

It did an episodic reset of the entire manga chapter which would be Low 2-C. I don’t what lesser power is turning an entire chapter into a dream and resetting the plot of the manga. The old reality and everything in it doesn’t exist anymore as it’s apart of a dream now according to Ikaros. Lord Griffin stated it’s low 2-C via time/plot hax.

It should be on there profiles via Transport Cards but physical upgrades with their own powers should be at least multi continental-Moon level in base form AP. Many could argue the sonic scream is a gag feat even though it was later on shown to actually happen.

 

[Confluctor]

don’t what lesser power is turning an entire chapter into a dream and resetting the plot of the manga

Reality warping or plot manipulation is what this will grant, not a tier. The range could be universal, but it is not a ap feat.

The old reality and everything in it doesn’t exist anymore as it’s apart of a dream now according to Ikaros. Lord Griffin stated it’s low 2-C via time/plot hax.

Let me ask this, did they destroy the previous reality (time and space included), like do we see an actual destruction- planets and galaxies dying? Or did it simply change the universe with time hax/plot hax? Cause the latter is simply hax with a universal range at best, nothing tier 2 I am afraid

 

[Qawsedf234]

Let me ask this, did they destroy the previous reality (time and space included), like do we see an actual destruction- planets and galaxies dying?

No, we don't see anything. Even the final arc which is about reality being reset only featured the Earth and Moon being destroyed.

 

[Confluctor]

Hm, I see. I am even iffy about tier 3 now

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you both for helping out.

 

[Freedomstar]

No, we don't see anything. Even the final arc which is about reality being reset only featured the Earth and Moon being destroyed.

You're talking about The Rule which are two different things that don't correlate to transport card devices as the angeloids can't use The Rule. Also, The Rule would most definitely be at least 3-A Ikaros and the creator of it stated it was used to remake the world several times for Eons. Synapse would cease to exist and everything will be eliminated. You're trying to base The Rule off Sugata a teen human wanting a new world when for eons the Angels have been remaking existence to try and fix its structure.

Ikaros confirmed that the rule was used to fix the structure of the world. When it was used for Synapse the initial stage was Synapse ceased to exist and everything will be eliminated to fix the structure of the world. Which happened multiple times for Eons.

We literally have Daedulus the creator of the angeloids, the rule, and transport cards confirming what Ikaros said and even going into detail about it.

You're trying to base the rule off Sugata using it to wish for a new world where he is loved and not ghosted by his family because of his brother's death.

You're missing tons of context on how it was used for Eons. Sugata wasn't the first person to use it. It's a reality-warping device. That can destroy and recreate reality to fix the structure, wish for new worlds, and even something as silly as gold. You're blatantly ignoring the first-hand source of Ikaros who witness the events and Daedalus the creator, confirmed this, and also witnessed it.

This also isn't about The Rule.

Reality warping or plot manipulation is what this will grant, not a tier. The range could be universal, but it is not a ap feat.



Let me ask this, did they destroy the previous reality (time and space included), like do we see an actual destruction- planets and galaxies dying? Or did it simply change the universe with time hax/plot hax? Cause the latter is simply hax with a universal range at best, nothing tier 2 I am afraid

Father Time (Regular Show)

Tier: Unknown. Likely Low 2-C Name: Father Time Origin: Regular Show Gender: Male Classification: God of time Age: Unknown Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Reality Warping, Time Manipulation Attack Potency: Unknown. Likely Universe level+ (He is the embodiment of time...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Granted this profile has likely low 2-C for doing this same thing.

The entire chapter was turned into a dream to reset reality back to normal

Confirmed everything in that dream which is chapter 2 no longer exists and is destroyed because the transport card is gone and became a thing of that dream. This is why Ikaros had to use old models where you can't directly control what device you're using on Synapse it's unpredictable.

Also, I never said it was AP. I said via hax just like Adam Warlock has 2-C via Hax for merging timelines and a note a left "inapplicable for practical combat purposes"

 

[Freedomstar]

Thank you both for helping out.

I posted full context if you want to take the time to read it.

 

[Freedomstar]

Hm, I see. I am even iffy about tier 3 now

This isn't even about The Rule but I'll reply to correct it.

You're iffy because Qawsedf234 isn't telling you the full context which I posted above. The Rule has been used for Eons to try and fix the Synapse. Which will cause Synapse to cease to exist and everything will be eliminated in order to fix the structure of the world. They could only remake reality in the end but not fix its structure.

Qawsedf234 has only been trying to downplay and call the Rule planet level at best over Sugata solely wishing for a new world. I guess we just ignore the creator and Ikaros confirming what happened before humans even existed lmao. Anyways, there is literally a star in Synapse so even if you lowball it the Rule is at least star level as it destroyed Synapse first multiple times for Eons in the process. But then we have the second part when Synapse ceases to exist "everything is destroyed". Synapse (Angels) made the big bang which created existence but it was confirmed in the manga that there is also a parallel universe. Not only that the anime confirms that Synapse created multiple parallel universes and universes of other time axes which Synapse sits above. Multiple times Synapse and everything is destroyed and remade to fix the structure of the world.​

 

[Antvasima]

I posted full context if you want to take the time to read it.

I don't have enough time available, and am not good at evaluating verses that are mostly unfamiliar to me. My apologies.

 

[Freedomstar]

I don't have enough time available, and am not good at evaluating verses that are mostly unfamiliar to me. My apologies.

Alright, thank you anyways.

On Topic:

As LordGriffin1000 stated the Transport Cards are at best Low 2-C via plot manipulation hax but not AP. I don't see why it's a problem to put a tier on their pages especially if the transports cards which are a part of their arsenal are also listed on their pages as "Low 2-C via Transport Card using Plot Manipulation Hax that is inapplicable for practical combat purposes (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality)


To get this thread closed faster because I'm sure we are all busy. Scaling the angeloids off humans who are fodder to them for Multi Continental to Moon level feats.

But here is what I propose below.


Name: Ikaros, Uranus Queen, Alpha

Attack Potency: At least Multi-Continental likely higher (Destructive power is massively above the humans in her verse, who have the power to set off Mt. Fuji's entire volcanic chain and could fragment the planet with a cross if not stopped. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. The Lord of the Heavens has called the humans on Earthworms, bugs, pests, and along with the royal council of Synapse called humans fodder compared to base Ikaros. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast. As stated by the Co-Creator of existence from Synapse that humans were created to be their playthings and Ikaros is a weapon of Synapse and has its strongest power system the Variable Wing Core.) Moon Level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100 ) | Large Planet Level likely higher (Pandora Ikaros upgrades her powers exponentially by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode all at once each getting blasted by Artemis which isn't her strongest weapon. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment. Chaos absorbing the melans powers and weapons raised her power level to the point as commanded by her master to use them on Synapse and Earth then proceeded to say destroy "this stagnant reality". Likely Low 2-C via Transport Card using Plot Manipulation Hax (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality)

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234 @LordGriffin1000

What do you think that we should do here?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Alright, thank you anyways.

On Topic:

As LordGriffin1000 stated the Transport Cards are at best Low 2-C via plot manipulation hax but not AP. I don't see why it's a problem to put a tier on their pages especially if the transports cards which are a part of their arsenal are also listed on their pages as "Low 2-C via Transport Card using Plot Manipulation Hax that is inapplicable for practical combat purposes (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality)


To get this thread closed faster because I'm sure we are all busy. Scaling the angeloids off humans who are fodder to them for Multi Continental to Moon level feats.

But here is what I propose below.


Name: Ikaros, Uranus Queen, Alpha

Attack Potency: At least Multi-Continental likely higher (Destructive power is massively above the humans in her verse, who have the power to set off Mt. Fuji's entire volcanic chain and could potentially destroy the planet if not stopped. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. The Lord of the Heavens has called the humans on Earthworms, bugs, pests, and along with the royal council of Synapse called humans fodder compared to base Ikaros. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast. As stated by the Co-Creator of existence from Synapse that humans were created to be their playthings and Ikaros is a weapon of Synapse and has its strongest power system the Variable Wing Core.) Moon Level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100 ) | Large Planet Level likely higher (Pandora Ikaros upgrades her powers exponentially by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode all at once each getting blasted by Artemis which isn't her strongest weapon. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment. Chaos absorbing the melans powers and weapons raised her power level to the point as commanded by her master to use them on Synapse and Earth then proceeded to say destroy "this stagnant reality". Likely Low 2-C via Transport Card using Plot Manipulation Hax (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality)

I'll comment on this later today when I get the chance.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Alright, thank you anyways.

On Topic:

As LordGriffin1000 stated the Transport Cards are at best Low 2-C via plot manipulation hax but not AP. I don't see why it's a problem to put a tier on their pages especially if the transports cards which are a part of their arsenal are also listed on their pages as "Low 2-C via Transport Card using Plot Manipulation Hax that is inapplicable for practical combat purposes (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality)


To get this thread closed faster because I'm sure we are all busy. Scaling the angeloids off humans who are fodder to them for Multi Continental to Moon level feats.

But here is what I propose below.


Name: Ikaros, Uranus Queen, Alpha

Attack Potency: At least Multi-Continental likely higher (Destructive power is massively above the humans in her verse, who have the power to set off Mt. Fuji's entire volcanic chain and could potentially destroy the planet if not stopped. Even one of the weakest angeloids such as Hiyori has the power to kill all downers on the planet. The Lord of the Heavens has called the humans on Earthworms, bugs, pests, and along with the royal council of Synapse called humans fodder compared to base Ikaros. Lord of Synapse also stated no downer can brush off the power of his weapon Poseidon, which is weaker than Ikaros' energy core Tomoki used to block his blast. As stated by the Co-Creator of existence from Synapse that humans were created to be their playthings and Ikaros is a weapon of Synapse and has its strongest power system the Variable Wing Core.) Moon Level (Base mode from Uranus Queen Mode increases her power by 100 ) | Large Planet Level likely higher (Pandora Ikaros upgrades her powers exponentially by 500 to the point she oneshotted hundreds of her evil clones that were individually 2.0 version of her Uranus Queen Mode all at once each getting blasted by Artemis which isn't her strongest weapon. Ikaros is able to match Artemis with Post Melan Absorption Chaos for a moment. Chaos absorbing the melans powers and weapons raised her power level to the point as commanded by her master to use them on Synapse and Earth then proceeded to say destroy "this stagnant reality". Likely Low 2-C via Transport Card using Plot Manipulation Hax (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality)

Setting off Mt. Fuji isn't multi-continent level, and potentally destroying the planet isn't either without a time-frame. Everything in the above post is just power scaling evidence. What happened to the actual feats that showed the destruction of the Earth? Those are what you need in the AP description.

Also, just say Low 2-C with Transport Card (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality). There's no need to add the Plot Manipulation Hax as added text.

 

[Freedomstar]

Setting off Mt. Fuji isn't multi-continent level, and potentally destroying the planet isn't either without a time-frame. Everything in the above post is just power scaling evidence. What happened to the actual feats that showed the destruction of the Earth? Those are what you need in the AP description.

Also, just say Low 2-C with Transport Card (Ikaros using a Transport Card turned an entire chapter of the manga into a dream to reset reality). There's no need to add the Plot Manipulation Hax as added text.

I know just erupting Mt. Fuji is small to country level, but the Apostle set off the entire volcanic chain. From the calc, I posted the feat would be High 6-A.

With the power of the revelations on the final day they are able to destroy the planet, this is a visualization of what would happen if the Apostles weren't stopped. I'm told this would be a high 6-A feat again possibly moon level.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I know just erupting Mt. Fuji is small to country level, but the Apostle set off the entire volcanic chain. From the calc, I posted the feat would be High 6-A.

With the power of the revelations on the final day they are able to destroy the planet, this is a visualization of what would happen if the Apostles weren't stopped. I'm told this would be a high 6-A feat again possibly moon level.

You should add the scan of that planet being Fragmented by the cross into her AP description.