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SnO rescalling and Statements (pls carefully read)
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I know these ppl commented before.
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Pretty such DT and Katlias know the verse but didn't know it takes place in a world with together mangas the same creator made. So they were scaling Ikaros off DC when her potency is higher than 12 Apostles who can destroy the planet.I also have questions about base Ikaros lifting strength being class M from This calc
Ikaros carried a giant chicken. It was shown to dwarf buildings in the city.
2. Now keep in mind there's a mountain in the background on the left and ALL the clouds are massively above it. The mountain is located in the back by the "KYAA text"
3. The chicken was shown to be tall as Sohara. As you see the town's buildings are still scaling to be big. The chicken and Sohara's heads are above even the mid clouds.
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As stated Sohara was shown to be taller than the mid clouds. Which is taller than the mountain in the first pic above.
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Now this is how big a mountain looks compared to the city
This means Ikaros carried an animal that dwarfed a huge mountain. She achieved this in base non-battle mode.
The calc is focused on scaling the panel but didn't realize the chicken and Sohara's height reached into the clouds which is much higher than the mountains.
Also, the angeloids radar range should be interdimensional. Astraea who has the weakest radar can talk to the lord of Synapse who resides in Synapse the dimension above creation.
Chaos's mental radar perception abilities while in Nymph's head was also fooling Daedelus and Sugata with it. Daedelus and Sugata were in Synapse which resides above existence
Nymph was able to communicate with Lord of Synapse while he was in Synapse and while her mind was getting hacked.
Ikaros was able to locate Nymph who had flown into Synapse to destroy Zeus with her radar
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WOuld you be willing to help out with this topic again please? I would appreciate it.
WOuld you be willing to help out with this topic again please? I would appreciate it.
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Question Chaos having the power to destroy Synapse be higher than star level? I mean it has a star in it but it's a higher dimension that sits above the existence
The Gods of synapse came from nothingness and built the Synapse dimension bit by bit over time.
They created the big bang as the existence below them. Gods of Synapse were regarded as higher beings.
The Rule was used for eons to fix the structure of Synapse but could never do it. The Rule was successfully able to do it to the universe by destroying the timeline and resetting it. The scan also says when The Rule starts the Synapse dimension will cease to exist. But it also existed at the same time.
Also, the fact Tomoki's dreams are connected to Synapse dimension. Ikaros using the transport card turned the reality of chapter two into a dream to reset it. This means the old reality from Chapter 2 is also a part of Synapse.
I think that SnO movies should be included in the scaling as well or have keys. The movies are anime canon they follow the manga but change some things around. But without the movies questions in the manga would not be answered.
1. SnO second movie it was shown that Mikako was worried in chapter 71. In chapter 73 she told her angeloid to tell Tomoki, Ikaros, and the others. "The end has begun and beginning started.... and see ya starting over.."
Mikako is supposedly human just like everyone else. The only person who knew about human that knew about the Rule was Suguta after Chaos abducted him and took him to Synapse at that very moment. This means Mikato knew about the rule before. Ikaros also explained the rule to everyone after it started up. In the movie, it was shown that Mikato was an angel which explains things.
2. Tomoki was shown incredible gag to the point he even died once and came back to life. It was shown he was a kid in the Babylonian era. What was even more interesting was he survived existence erasure. Every human, planets, land, the Earth, and the universe itself was being destroyed. Yet Tomoki was not erased from existence. Not only that the Lord of Synapse called him a downer mongrel implying he's human mixed with an angel from Synapse. In the movie, it example that Tomoki only exists in one timeline of the hyperdimension. He has no other versions in any universe throughout the hyperdimension.
3. It was never explained how Ikaros systems malfunctioned in the manga. The movie shows us that when she flew back to Synapse Mikato was an angel that hacked her systems.
The Gods of synapse came from nothingness and built the Synapse dimension bit by bit over time.
They created the big bang as the existence below them. Gods of Synapse were regarded as higher beings.
The Rule was used for eons to fix the structure of Synapse but could never do it. The Rule was successfully able to do it to the universe by destroying the timeline and resetting it. The scan also says when The Rule starts the Synapse dimension will cease to exist. But it also existed at the same time.
Also, the fact Tomoki's dreams are connected to Synapse dimension. Ikaros using the transport card turned the reality of chapter two into a dream to reset it. This means the old reality from Chapter 2 is also a part of Synapse.
I think that SnO movies should be included in the scaling as well or have keys. The movies are anime canon they follow the manga but change some things around. But without the movies questions in the manga would not be answered.
1. SnO second movie it was shown that Mikako was worried in chapter 71. In chapter 73 she told her angeloid to tell Tomoki, Ikaros, and the others. "The end has begun and beginning started.... and see ya starting over.."
Mikako is supposedly human just like everyone else. The only person who knew about human that knew about the Rule was Suguta after Chaos abducted him and took him to Synapse at that very moment. This means Mikato knew about the rule before. Ikaros also explained the rule to everyone after it started up. In the movie, it was shown that Mikato was an angel which explains things.
2. Tomoki was shown incredible gag to the point he even died once and came back to life. It was shown he was a kid in the Babylonian era. What was even more interesting was he survived existence erasure. Every human, planets, land, the Earth, and the universe itself was being destroyed. Yet Tomoki was not erased from existence. Not only that the Lord of Synapse called him a downer mongrel implying he's human mixed with an angel from Synapse. In the movie, it example that Tomoki only exists in one timeline of the hyperdimension. He has no other versions in any universe throughout the hyperdimension.
3. It was never explained how Ikaros systems malfunctioned in the manga. The movie shows us that when she flew back to Synapse Mikato was an angel that hacked her systems.
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We would still appreciate some help here.
We would still appreciate some help here.
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I never commented here. But looking at it I have nowhere near the knowledge to actually make a decent judgement call and the way Freedomstar has posted stuff makes it incredibly difficult to follow.
The proposal is also of a 27 volume work with a proposed spin off movie feats with no sourcing. Considering how easy it is to push through a revision of a niche series I honestly can't give any approval without at least a chapter list of when the things happen.
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I posted the chapter list of Judas and Sno being connected.
Judas is a manga by that same creator that ended two years before he created SnO. When he created SnO he made one of the manga characters of Judas a recurring character, Zero. This means he connected the manga of Judas and SnO. He also made a chapter of SnO going back in time to Judas.
Yes, daisuki desu!! mahō tenshi cosmos is the stand-alone spinoff of SnO. It takes place in the same world. Sugata the main character of Sno is one of the main characters of daisuki desu!! mahō tenshi cosmos. Ikaros statue makes a cameo on the beach where she attacked everyone in the past over a watermelon. This is why it's cursed to eat watermelon and much more.
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Your problem here is that I never questioned if they were connected or not. I said my issue is that you source no chapters for any claims and the way you presented the informs makes it incredib difficult to follow.
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Would you be willing to check through the current scaling of the SnO pages to see if it is internally consistent please?
Or is some other experienced member here willing to handle it?
Would you be willing to check through the current scaling of the SnO pages to see if it is internally consistent please?
Or is some other experienced member here willing to handle it?
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Who is the real world person featured in this member's user image?
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John Dewey sir, he's American philosopher.
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I redid the entire original post. I would love to hear your thoughts.
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Nothing in either page implies planet busting. Even the Biblical Revelations doesn't have anything planetary except for two possible instances and neither effect the Earth. This is at best some vague degree of Tier 6.
You are massively wrong here. This is just time hax. To call this a Low 2-C feat is to call Bill and Ted Low 2-C characters because they have a time machine.
But this scan does say they have the ability to dream, its just a taboo for them to do so.
This scan doesn't show a timeline being destroyed and recreated. It shows a beam that just circles a single galaxy.
So curious I just looked at the chapter and... this is just a planetary feat:
- Only the Earth is mentioned and unlike some universes where world = universe they only mean just the Earth
- Two pages after this scene is the gun destroying the Earth and Moon slowly. And by slowly I mean that multiple long drawn out character backstory told and multiple fights take place before the Earth is destroyed.
- Later on they only refer to the Earth being remade
- Literally just the Earth
- The backstory given states outright that they've destroyed and recreated the Earth before.
They at best become 5-B and that's an incredibly questionable rating in of itself.
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This needs to be downgraded to Tier 5. The other profiles just can stay as is.
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I mean, I don't know what to rate slowly deconstructing Earth and the Moon at tiering wise
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You actually couldn't be more wrong. I'm about to debunk everything you said. Also @ant I have a problem with you jumping right off the bat just agreeing with anyone until someone makes a response it shows bias.
1. This is literally the Apostles summoning across to destroy the Earth what do you mean not planet busting?
Judas as Apostles confirmed it's true. I'm pretty sure this isn't a tier 6 feat. The cross literally hits the planet at the center and huge chunks are coming out of the planet. I believe this is at least moon level it's like a better feat than what Psykos did. I'm still waiting for it to be calc'd instead of lowballing oh it's a tier 6 feat when you didn't even calc it. Doesn't even make sense.
3. The scan literally said dreaming should be a huge taboo for angeloids. What is a taboo a restriction or a limitation?? Don't lie now on the scan pls. Ikaros creator stated the second generation angeloid is far more advance because she can dream. It literally confirmed by the angeloids themselves they don't sleep or have the ability to dream. Now show me a scan where it says they have the ability to dream?
While rebooting Astraea was giving out secret information about Synapse when she realize someone was listening she lied and said she was dreaming. Little did she know Sugata has been doing research on other first-generation angeloids such as Ikaros and Nymph
3. It stated everything that existed in that dream was destroyed or a thing of no more which destroyed the old reality and resetted the entire manga chapter. The card doesn't exist anymore but came to the universe inside Ikaros's body. Yet Ikaros is still here. This destroyed the only reality and resetted it. This isn't just no time travel.
4. You looked and read the chapter wrong. The Rule is used to fixed the higher dimension which is Synapse. Synapse is the reality that existed before they created the big bang which resulted in the universe. It literally says when the Rule Starts up Synapse will cease to exist and everything will be eliminated.
5. Ikaros then goes on to tell Tomoki who was confused Earth and whatever it is below Synapse will be destroyed. As shown as the wrong wraps around the Universe and is destroying everything inside of it. The last time I checked Earth isn't everything below Synapse. Earth being destroyed in the elimination process proves the point.
6. Literally stated Elimination process as the rule warps around the universe destroying it. Which is going to destroy the timeline and reset
Also, Zeus doesn't have a profile on here. Also, it wasn't slow the events happened an hour at best.
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Because destroying the Earth doesn't mean blowing it up in every context. The most given in that scene is the destruction of the surface.
But that's still not planet busting. Just Tier High 6-A to 5-C.
Its something that is prohibited, not something that is impossible. Its a taboo to eat a person or kill someone, but neither are impossible.
Now this would be a better indication that they can't dream, but you didn't provide this in your OP.
They physically fly to that place. Multiple people do in fact. Its located in the real world unless you can provide more for it.
No, it wraps around a single galaxy and the only thing shown to be effected is the Earth and Moon, nothing else.
It says nothing like that. You're making a large assumption without evidence to support it.
Yeah you're right. Confused it with the Synapse profile
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1. The angeloids still rank highly above that
2. I literally showed you scans of their creator and the angeloids themselves saying they do NOT have the ability to dream. Every first angeloids ability do not have the ability to sleep or dream. I think I'm going to agree with the manga stating that you did not write the manga so..? I'm going to agree with the creator of the angeloids saying it's impossible for them to dream. The creator > your word. In fact, why don't you show me in the manga where they dream?
3. I literally did prove that they couldn't dream in the first place.
4. Show me where they fly there without Synapse opening out the portal for entrance. Every time they needed to go to Synapse they had to enter through Tomoki's dream that has been connected there for 11 years or as shown when the Rule started up they had to enter through the Synapse portal. You flying in the sky doesn't mean you're in that dimension. It's literally the reality before they made the existence.
Synapse is literally the dimensions of nothingness that existed before they made a big bang that they created a civilization on.
5. Too bad it didn't... It was showing that the Earth was being destroyed but that's not the only thing. Literally stated when the rule starts up everything below Synapse will be destroyed in the elimination process. Did you expect the manga artist to show everything in the universe being destroyed? No that's why he made a single panel of the rule warping around the universe. That is for a fact a universe destroying the timeline and resetting it. Hell, the experts on here like Kaitlas and Donttalk will tell you you're wrong.
6. Literally provided evidence Synapse will cease to exist and things will be eliminated. The last time I checked Earth and the moon isn't everything, right? The last time I checked a galaxy doesn't have a timeline either and also isn't everything below Synapse. When synapse created existence below them from a big bang I'm pretty sure it made a universe and not one galaxy/
You're spewing false information. But you can't pinpoint where people can fly to Synapse without the portal entrance being open or when angeloids sleep.
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No, the scan you showed was that she said it was taboo. Not that it was impossible.
I don't need to in this case. I was pointing out that your evidence did not match your claim. When you provided more evidence I then agreed with your original claim, but noted that you should have included that in your OP.
You see it
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- They can physically see an explosion that happens on Zeus while on Earth
- She physically flies to Zeus as well
You mean... like the Earth and Moon which is what the Zeus is physically orbiting above?
Yes. They need at least one panel or a direct statement saying the universe is being destroyed for it to be universal. It does neither
I'm interpreting what you're giving me, and the things you've given me are not as impressive as you say they are.
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1. If you read the scan she literally says impossible dreaming would be a major taboo for angeloids. She then goes on to say to second-generation angeloids reached a whole new level.
2. It literally did all the other scans literally said the same thing as their creator.
3. I asked you to show me scans of them flying to Synapse without going through the portal or Tomoki's dream. More misinformation then right?
Then portal of Synapse was already open when Ikaros took Tomoki.
Misinformation #1 You showed me a portal when I said show me where they can fly to it without it
Misinformation #2 You showed a scan saying Chaos was flying to Zeus. No, she was flying to Synapse to use The Rule..... Once again the Synapse portal was open and Minos thought it was a threat and was about to use Zeus. You're still showing me they need a portal to get there.
Factional information #1 Astraea came to Earth from the Synapse portal and it closed as soon she came through it. Proving once again you can't just fly to Synapse lmao.
Factual Information #2 You can't fly to Synapse without Minos opening the portal for you. Even then you still wouldn't be able to.
Factual Information #3 The Synapse Portal opened above Tomoki and Ikaros creator send her down to let her be free
2. It literally did all the other scans literally said the same thing as their creator.
3. I asked you to show me scans of them flying to Synapse without going through the portal or Tomoki's dream. More misinformation then right?
Then portal of Synapse was already open when Ikaros took Tomoki.
Misinformation #1 You showed me a portal when I said show me where they can fly to it without it
Misinformation #2 You showed a scan saying Chaos was flying to Zeus. No, she was flying to Synapse to use The Rule..... Once again the Synapse portal was open and Minos thought it was a threat and was about to use Zeus. You're still showing me they need a portal to get there.
Factional information #1 Astraea came to Earth from the Synapse portal and it closed as soon she came through it. Proving once again you can't just fly to Synapse lmao.
Factual Information #2 You can't fly to Synapse without Minos opening the portal for you. Even then you still wouldn't be able to.
Factual Information #3 The Synapse Portal opened above Tomoki and Ikaros creator send her down to let her be free
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No, because you see them physically fly there. Then dropping a barrier located around the floating cities is not the same as a portal or it being located in a different physical plane.
The opened a shield to get there. Its still located in physical space since they can fly towards it. In fact he didn't even really drop the shield and much as stop the cannon from firing. Since you can see in later chapters the floating cities behind the black barrier.
This only makes it more obvious that its located in physical space. Other scientist can track it and even record things on planes, its just that they can't glem any information off of it.
That doesn't show what you're claiming it to show.
Everything you've given so far:
- Doesn't prove the Zeus is universal
- Doesn't prove that they didn't use time hax to reset the day
- And overall doesn't prove that they're Tier 2
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Oh yes, the Synapse dimension of nothingness the angels created a civilization on before the big bang is physically orbiting Earth and the moon? I'm crying because you can't even show me that. You can show me the entrance of the synapse hovering over Earth but not the dimension itself. Also, keep in mind Zeus is the most powerful large-scale tech so the big bang explosion < Zeus.
Also, it already has The Rule warped around the universe and it literally says elimination process everything will be destroyed after Synapse. Synapse literally is a higher dimension above existence. There are also 6 realms of existence in the universe also.
Continuing on further to debunk your claims.
Factual Information #4 Once again Minos the lord of Synapse can open and close the portal if he wants from the Synapse existence to Earth. It shows up as a magnetic disturbance but you can't get to it.
Also, it already has The Rule warped around the universe and it literally says elimination process everything will be destroyed after Synapse. Synapse literally is a higher dimension above existence. There are also 6 realms of existence in the universe also.
Continuing on further to debunk your claims.
Factual Information #4 Once again Minos the lord of Synapse can open and close the portal if he wants from the Synapse existence to Earth. It shows up as a magnetic disturbance but you can't get to it.
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Considering its rather small, you can see through the barrier and make out objects behind it and it can be physically tracked in 3D imaging technology. Yes, it is in orbit around the Earth and Moon when it teleported to real space.
The area can teleport around, probably to all six universes. That's not the issue, the issue is that when it comes to Earth it inhabits the same 3-Dimensional space as Earth.
This would at most be 3-A. Even then it might be an entirely prep based feat that doesn't scale to Zeus. As before, the Zeus in this entire arc was only shown to effect the Earth and Moon with nothing else supporting that the universe or galaxy were also being destroyed.
She stated the Rule warped the Earth, not that it warped the universe. You would need to establish that world in this context refers to more than just their city sphere or the Earth.
Your scans don't back this claim again. The person can track the sphere, says they can fly to it and that its just bending light rays to hide behind clouds.
None of that is a separate plane of existence.
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1. Explain to be if the dimension is older than the big bang how the heck is it in the same plane of reality? Let me know that
2. Lmaooo the black barrier is a portal to Zeus which can be turned off and on by Lord Minos. First of all, it's called fictional dimensions like Asgard and Limbo can be opened on Earth and they are not in the same existence. Limbo is a whole plane of existence and Magik connected it to Earth. If you're going to lowball nice try. It's only showing me that you don't read the story. How can a dimension way older than the big bang that made Earth shares the same plane of existence? Instead of being clueless and spouting nonsense all you have to do is ask for more scans.
3. Zeus strongest large-scale tech in Synapse > Rule destroyed and resetted the timeline, Transport cards which connected to techs on Synapse which was used to reset the whole episodic event of Chapter 2 destroying the old reality and resetting it through a dream, and also the big bang.
Yep Nymph destroyed the planets and cracked the sun by singing which is why she dubbed a sonic weapon. Confirmed later in the manga Nymph actually destroyed all the from Venus leading up to cracking the sun.
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The thing is the Big Bang isn't an explosion or anything. Its just a rapid expansion of space. They can be physically present before that expansion took place, since space would still be present albeit in a far small volume.
Bruh
Not duh I didn't read the story. You called me here out of the blue to make a judgement on a work I never read and said I had little knowledge on. I'm making judgements based on what you've given me and the five chapters I've read today. All in all everything provided still doesn't convince me of your Tier 2 proposal.
They just restored the Earth and Moon. Which I might add happened incredibly slowly and wouldn't even be a scalable AP feat
With time hax. Resetting time isn't a AP feat
They cracked those planets, but did not destroy them.
If you disagree with me, feel free to and get someone else to comment. But everything given doesn't convince me that they're 3-A, let alone Low 2-C.
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1. There's a whole star the Synapse dimension. Right teleported a space with a star on it to Earth??? right
2. But it doesn't..... having a portal above Earth that isn't being connected to Earth. Synapse existed before Earth was even thought about.
3. First of all Zeus was never shown to do that. The rule destroyed the Earth the moon and everything below synapse. Once again you don't know what you're talking about and confusing the two.
4. No she didn't Ikaros stated Synapse will cease to exist and everything will soon follow. Synapse is the higher dimension above Existence and I'm pretty sure everything in that big bang they made wasn't use the Earth and Moon which is why it shows The Rule spreading around the entire universe in its elimination process.
5. It doesn't say the portal is there but it's not there at the same time. They literally used Tomoki on a zip liner to fly near it and they saw nothing so moot.
Oh yes, Synapse existed before the big bang which includes Earth.
Because there's a portal you need in order to get there you claim it's the same existence. Stop replying to me and make this your last post toward me.
Please stop replying to me you obviously don't know what you're talking and you literally admitted. Don't reply to me again please or I will report this to human resources. I want someone who actually knows the series, not someone who reads what they want and admitted they didn't know what they're talking about.
The next reply is a flag and I'm calling humans resources because I'm not about to argue with someone who thinks Synapse a primordial reality that existed before the big bang somehow shares the same reality as Earth.
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First of all, I didn't call you in the first place. Ant asked who was in the previous threads and I tagged you. You didn't know know what you were talking about in that thread also.
It destroyed and resetted the timeline. If you read the manga you'll see why. Go argue with DontTalk and Kaitlias the people who rating Low 2-C because it in fact did destroy and reset the timeline.
Oh yes time hax when Ikaros confirmed everything was destroyed in the past reality when the card no longer existed
Anyways I'm done going back and forth with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about and thinks a reality older than the big bang shares a reality with an existence they literally made....
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Can you please not be rude? I doubt any mod here clearly remembers the manga(it's really old) so you need to convince them with scans.
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That Star is the sun. The light appears through the dome is uniform with the light outside of it, showing its coming from the same source.
You're missing the point here. The sphere can teleport around that's true, the issue is that the dome itself resides in the same dimensional space as the Earth. Its not a alternate universe, just a closed off area that people are capable of physically flying to.
Yes. It was slowly destroying both the Earth and Moon. That is shown in the story and stated outright. The claim that it was doing that to the entire universe is what you don't have evidence for.
My guy, I've only been in one thread before this one, and this was my only comment in that thread
The issue here is that DT outright disagreed with this upgrade and seemingly has the last six times you've proposed this. So obviously there's an issue here about scaling.
You're free to do so. But I'm not really sure what I've done that's rule breaking besides disagree with your interpterion of events.
But sure, I won't respond to you anymore. Though I still hold that this isn't enough for a 3-A or Low 2-C upgrade.
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I'm not being rude I said don't respond to me anymore. I literally begged for them not to respond anymore. I'm not about to go into mental gymnastics with someone claiming a dimension that made the big bang shares the same existence with it. I'm not about to do that. I gave multiple facts proving Synapse's existence before and even created the universe. But everything oh they share the same plane of existence.. I'm avoiding an argument by telling them not to respond anymore.
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What exectly do you mean by this? Just because it created a big bang doesn't mean it's some higher level of existance(you are claiming it has 4D existance i believe?)
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1. That's not even the scan where the star is at. lmaooo all you said to say is "Do you have scans where there is a star present in Synapse" I would gladly do so. Instead, you post scans like this that are out of context and more.
2. But it does everything below synapse is the universe. The last time I checked the Earth isn't everything. Also as you said why would they need to wrap around the universe when the Earth was the target? Also, why is the moon involved? Oh right because the target is Synapse and it destroyed everything in existence.
3. I literally said that Ant asked for people in the last thread. I regret tagging you because you didn't know what you were talking about.
4. First of all you don't know what you're talking about in your post. You also claimed a dimension that made the universe also shares the same plane of existence with it all because the portal of Synapse hovers over Earth????? Yeah respect my wishes please and stop replying to me before I report this to HR. I'm not about to argue over something so silly as this.
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