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Then it’s not martial arts brotherHe doesn't perform actual magic with martial arts like Kenshiro does
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Then it’s not martial arts brotherHe doesn't perform actual magic with martial arts like Kenshiro does
it is if it's performed with a martial artThen it’s not martial arts brother
Hax through skill is pretty much unquantifiable regardless. Performing funky magic with martial arts doesn't inherently make him above what karate kid can do.
it is if it's performed with a martial art
Hokuto Shinken and all other techniques are genuine martial arts in FoTNS and they could turn people to dust or make you enter a state of nothingness.
That's just how it is
You haven't read his profile have youMost of his feats are just reacting to herald level threats and judoing him.
He doesn't perform actual magic with martial arts like Kenshiro does
Pretty much everything I listed can be applied to them when they're all the same tier. For example, Byleth was threatened by a direct hit from a random bandit.They've got some pretty good precision feats (arguably better than what Touhou has), but I'm not totally sure how "can stomp this guy who stomped this guy who stomped this one guy who's pretty skilled" can be quantified (especially since speed/AP would also be factors in a stomp).
Hyper exaggerated martial arts < BFRing a mf's soul and entering a state of non existence via martial artsYou haven't read his profile have you
He does do "magic", it's just magic that's a hyper-exaggerated version of real martial arts to a completely insane degree rather than "uh i trained really hard and now i can cast Magic Missile three times a day" which is just like, a verse mechanic and not a quantifiable skill feat
Both arent skillHyper exaggerated martial arts < BFRing a mf's soul and entering a state of non existence via martial arts
Damn, how high would your heart flatter if you see them parry/preemptivly stop attacks
me when i see an alleged skill god actually ***** block (most dont)
It's still hillarious how a community centered around debating how fictional characters fight doesn't know squat about fighting.This wiki has a clear issue to distinguish skill from powers and abilities.
Earlier on this thread people were saying Dante was skileld because he dodged the void.
Dodging isn’t skill and dodging the void is just bullshit.
Except Dante dodging the void is just bullshitThis wiki has a clear issue to distinguish skill from powers and abilities.
Earlier on this thread people were saying Dante was skileld because he dodged the void.
Dodging isn’t skill and dodging the void is just bullshit.
were beating the shit out of each other with common fisticuffs because musou Tensei was the ultimate technique, making all the other ones irrelevant
Hax isn't skill, it's unquantifiable. It stems from it yeah, but that's ultimately still just hax stemming from it.Musou Tensei is very blatantly stated to be the final and ultimate technique of Hokuto Shinken, which is very blatantly a martial art.
I mean dodging can totally be a skill feat- there's technique in dodging, any real-world boxer or martial artist could tell you that.Dodging isn’t skill and dodging the void is just bullshit.
Venom snake my beloved...
Ikr, it's so bs it's funThis wiki has a clear issue to distinguish skill from powers and abilities.
Earlier on this thread people were saying Dante was skileld because he dodged the void.
Dodging isn’t skill and dodging the void is just bullshit.
I would say that Ken is definitively more skilled than KK, let's compare them in the following categories, which are the most common skill abilities: Technique copy, Analytical Prediction, Enhanced Senses, Acrobatics, Body Control, Info Analysis, Reflexes, Accelerated Development/Learning Speed, Martial Arts/Weapon Mastery ,Skill scaling chains, Combat feats and Experience.Not even close to Karate Kid though.
Giving them a quick glance, I would say half of them are, not most. Lets not get hyperbolic here.Most of these "skills" feats are straight up haxs disguising themselves as skill and pretty much everyone already agreed upon that.
Kenshiro fans keep on missing.
Taskmaster? More like midmaster lolAll im hearing is "Taskmaster copies"
You. Him. Telephone booth. Knives cant be longer than 15cm. Last man standing is the bigger skill meatri-More like CHADmaster smh.
My MAN Taskmaster don't deserve this disrespect ong.
And yet you don't take me to these kinds of dates, SMFH.You. Him. Telephone booth. Knives cant be longer than 15cm. Last man standing is the bigger skill meatri-
I don't think it's really fair to compare every category as if they're all equally important, Val isn't going up against fellow martial artists, he's going up against massive stat bricks that are way faster and stronger than him, his techniques are inevitably going to focus on that. I'll recognize he's much lesser than Kenshiro in stuff like precog or power mimicry but I don't think he really needs to have that given what he actually does, and magic shit aside he's way better at it than Ken would be despite the massive stat gap.How does Val compare?
While it's more versatile I'm not really convinced it's actually as powerful as KK's Super Karate duraneg. It's ultimately just being able to body control people in many different ways, while KK's main fighting style works on almost any material (and species) in the galaxy (which is extremely useful for a superhero that's gonna act in the entire galaxy), but also energy constructs, and on a FAR greater scale than Kenshiro- he can hurt Supergirl (4-B, soon at minimum 3-B but I think 2-C)-tier enemies and destroy planet-sized chains. Even KK's "proper" pressure point attacks work on non-organic foes.Pressure Points stuff
I don't think describing it is really worthwhile but he has really good acrobatics on his profile, both in the P&A and Feats section.Acrobatics
KK's mental/physical conditioning is so good that he literally does not feel pain from most injuries and has endured a plague that lesser stages of drive most to madness in minutes for over an hour, he can break through mind control, has powered through devices meant to sap his willpower and instead pushed through his limits despite them, has incredible resistance to anesthetics, can literally fight seconds after waking from a coma while suffering from amnesia and STILL instantly analyze fighting styles despite having no conscious memory of them and indeed when pressed for time he's capable of instinctively pulling off really difficult stunts he's never done beforeBody Control:
KK is trained in the usage of literally every single martial art (both armed and unarmed, which means every weapon too) in the galaxy, and he's so good at them that he just never uses weapons because he doesn't need them. He does however carry his weighted sash which he can use as a whip or rope in combat.Martial Arts/Weapon Mastery:
Kenshiro is the greatest Hokuto Shinken master of all time, and he has absolute mastery over every single martial art displayed throughout the series (with few exceptions), he's also stated to have mastered nunchaku, sword and staff use he's able to deflect knives using his nunchucks, and is excellent at throwing spears, other Hokuto fighters such as Charles De Guise have show incredible use of firearms, Hokuto fighters can turn anything into a deadly weapon, such as cutlery and even a strand of hair.
Thats because youre never that zesty with me. Youre sending me mixed signals and I dont appreciate that.And yet you don't take me to these kinds of dates, SMFH.
No way i gave alot of examples of pretty concrete skill feats, but what do you consider "skill" anyways?Most of these "skills" feats are straight up haxs disguising themselves as skill and pretty much everyone already agreed upon that.
Kenshiro fans keep on missing.
Anything that doesn't have anime bullshit like curing blindness, lmao. You just cannot tell me with a straight face that you're so good at martial arts that you can make someone blind see again via poking his face.No way i gave alot of examples of pretty concrete skill feats, but what do you consider "skill" anyways?
Yeah Hokuto Shinken has these impossible kind of stuff, but there's alot more than just these hax stuff on my postAnything that doesn't have anime bullshit like curing blindness, lmao. You just cannot tell me with a straight face that you're so good at martial arts that you can make someone blind see again via poking his face.
And I'm only talking about this one because its the most funny to me.
That are more like haxs than actual skill.Yeah Hokuto Shinken has these impossible kind of stuff
Hence why First_Witch corrected me a few replies above.but there's alot more than just these hax stuff on my post
well, what's the line?Most of these "skills" feats are straight up haxs disguising themselves as skill and pretty much everyone already agreed upon that.
Kenshiro fans keep on missing.