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Skill Guy vs Guts Man (not the Megaman one)
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The severity of wounds is important.
And blown away is not a sign of damage you can get blown away and not have a scratch. Same as you can be blown away and instantly die.
And blown away is not a sign of damage you can get blown away and not have a scratch. Same as you can be blown away and instantly die.
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ok then let's low ball the attack
at the very minimum the force of the attack has to be more than a railgun as he can catch one with his teeths while not moving, and we know the force is spread equally in every part, so at the very least his nerves got hit by a railgun lvl force as this one attack made him move
this is directly on the nerve , just so u know a needle in 1 might lead people to faint
at the very minimum the force of the attack has to be more than a railgun as he can catch one with his teeths while not moving, and we know the force is spread equally in every part, so at the very least his nerves got hit by a railgun lvl force as this one attack made him move
this is directly on the nerve , just so u know a needle in 1 might lead people to faint
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Hmm, not all parts of the body are the same durability. If he was bleeding from his forehead, but his eyes were still in place....yeah. and it still gets outdone by being punched several dozen holes throughout the body.
@malox
It is not on the nerve, it's on the body. And everything you said is just durability. Not pain resistance.
@malox
It is not on the nerve, it's on the body. And everything you said is just durability. Not pain resistance.
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u know what, at this point u are just denying things that are on both ollerus and sogita profile, what u think we just added thing as we like and didn0t do a CTR ?
all things on the profiles have been approved, if u wan't to deny them make a CTR and remove them
but i believe the reasoning u are using here "i don't like it so i does not count" would not work on a CTR
for once u could look at the profile before dissing, there is even page for his power exclusively
all things on the profiles have been approved, if u wan't to deny them make a CTR and remove them
but i believe the reasoning u are using here "i don't like it so i does not count" would not work on a CTR
for once u could look at the profile before dissing, there is even page for his power exclusively
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I mean, he's totally right, taking attacks from a 5-B is durability, not pain resistance.
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1 the attack was not 5 b , he used Hliðskjálf which instead negates durability and attack the body equally cause the attack make no sense
Hli├░skj├ílf (Õîùµ¼ºþÄïÕ║º Hokuō Ōza (Furizusukyaruvu), lit. "Nordic Throne"): Named after Odin's throne, it is Ollerus' power to change his life energy and normal magical power into an unexplainable type of power. The power by its nature cannot be described, can't be explained, and can't be comprehended. The Hli├░skj├ílf doesn't have any offensive function normally, but by forcefully using Hli├░skj├ílf as an offensive power makes it even more unexplainable. He uses Hli├░skj├ílf due to the fact that his own mana is too special and can't be used with normal magical powers, even if he applied knowledge of various grimoires. When used offensively, Hli├░skj├ílf takes the form of an invisible spell that blows the enemy backward without Ollerus making any kind of movement or sign. It does equal damage to every part of the body including internal organs. It has no identifiable source. According to Ollerus, this attack cannot be defended against, as the enemy cannot even begin to mount a defense against an attack using an unexplainable power coming from an incomprehensible place while not leaving them a chance to form a countermeasure.
(imagine using "divine shield" from WOW in an offensive way, this is the same, it make no sense)
2 the attack hit all his body equally, that means nerve and internal organs (brain, hearth,etc ), durability has nothing to do with it
if i had to make a guess how he actually does it, it's cause his ability to make his delusion reality so just by thinking "i can resist the pain" he does it like how he regens himself with guts or stop attacks with guts, or literally anything he does
just to let u know his ability is compared to Magic gods, which are 1hc that can warp reality as they want with their will , conscious or subconscious
Hli├░skj├ílf (Õîùµ¼ºþÄïÕ║º Hokuō Ōza (Furizusukyaruvu), lit. "Nordic Throne"): Named after Odin's throne, it is Ollerus' power to change his life energy and normal magical power into an unexplainable type of power. The power by its nature cannot be described, can't be explained, and can't be comprehended. The Hli├░skj├ílf doesn't have any offensive function normally, but by forcefully using Hli├░skj├ílf as an offensive power makes it even more unexplainable. He uses Hli├░skj├ílf due to the fact that his own mana is too special and can't be used with normal magical powers, even if he applied knowledge of various grimoires. When used offensively, Hli├░skj├ílf takes the form of an invisible spell that blows the enemy backward without Ollerus making any kind of movement or sign. It does equal damage to every part of the body including internal organs. It has no identifiable source. According to Ollerus, this attack cannot be defended against, as the enemy cannot even begin to mount a defense against an attack using an unexplainable power coming from an incomprehensible place while not leaving them a chance to form a countermeasure.
(imagine using "divine shield" from WOW in an offensive way, this is the same, it make no sense)
2 the attack hit all his body equally, that means nerve and internal organs (brain, hearth,etc ), durability has nothing to do with it
if i had to make a guess how he actually does it, it's cause his ability to make his delusion reality so just by thinking "i can resist the pain" he does it like how he regens himself with guts or stop attacks with guts, or literally anything he does
just to let u know his ability is compared to Magic gods, which are 1hc that can warp reality as they want with their will , conscious or subconscious
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I'm not dennying it is a pain resistance feat, I'm just saying the fact it came from a 5-B doesn't make it more special, given that would just mean 5-B durability. And I no nothing of WOW, so that analogy doesn't work for me.
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Which, again, makes pointing out it was done by a 5-B irrelevant.
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No one ever argued against it being 5-B, and a 5-B holding back enough to not insta kill an 8-A is simply insane.
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if the spell itself is not 5B it makes sense , i mean he is not physically 5b just his spells or at least should beIonliosite said:
he didn't use the 5B spell here , that's the explosion one
and he still a MG tho an impure one so his spell goes more by roll then real power (MGs power goes by if it rolls positively it will happen if it doesn't it will back fire, similar to d20 in D and D , a 1 is an epic failure not matter what lvl u are but a natural 20 will let even the weak priest pick up the 20 ton rock)
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Idk which part you're talking about, but i don't see any good points here.Malox1696 said:
Attacking all the body is not attacking the nerves directly.
And saying it's cus i don't like it as a counter to my arguments is not gonna make it any more believable.
Lastly there are many crts that have ended up giving misleading or wrong info in the past and that have been removed later, saying it's been in a CRT doesn't make it gospel truth. Ikki's kinda known for leading to CRTS after his matches so eh..
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The nerves were never mentioned and it is just like damaging people internally at least from the description.
There is the outlierish part of him taking that much damage, but no eyes poppin, no brain damage, no nervous system failure, not all arteries busted. Yeah everything took damage equally i see.
Even than it is still not better than ikki having several dozen holes through his body, ouma's body burning from the inside, ikki not flinching from pain which makes guards go unconscious etc.
There is the outlierish part of him taking that much damage, but no eyes poppin, no brain damage, no nervous system failure, not all arteries busted. Yeah everything took damage equally i see.
Even than it is still not better than ikki having several dozen holes through his body, ouma's body burning from the inside, ikki not flinching from pain which makes guards go unconscious etc.
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Here is Violet Pain's effect btw:
"EEEEEKKK!"
In the next instant, screams filled the air of the practice arena. Dozens of selection candidates and multiple guards watching over the place drove the air from their lungs until they finally fell like decaying trees to the ground, foaming at the mouth. What just happened?
The cause was a blood-red cutlass that had appeared in Yuuri Oreki's left hand.
"Violet Pain[2]". A Noble Art that spreads the pain of my sick body, the friction of my rotting bones, the ache of my festering innards across everyone within a certain distance. The effect is as you can see."
No one could keep their sanity at being inflicted with all the diseases violently ravaging Oreki's body. Even the adults were screaming like young girls, and falling unconscious from the pain like a circuit breaker had been flipped.
"And yet… you're not having any trouble enduring, are you?"
Ikki alone, without rolling on the ground… no, without the slightest movement, continued to stand there in the arena without moving his gaze from Oreki.
"As the one who asked for a duel, I won't back down from pain."
He had certainly heard Oreki's description. Just breathing made his lungs seem to split. But… Ikki smiled slightly.
"…You're not the only one can bear it."
"EEEEEKKK!"
In the next instant, screams filled the air of the practice arena. Dozens of selection candidates and multiple guards watching over the place drove the air from their lungs until they finally fell like decaying trees to the ground, foaming at the mouth. What just happened?
The cause was a blood-red cutlass that had appeared in Yuuri Oreki's left hand.
"Violet Pain[2]". A Noble Art that spreads the pain of my sick body, the friction of my rotting bones, the ache of my festering innards across everyone within a certain distance. The effect is as you can see."
No one could keep their sanity at being inflicted with all the diseases violently ravaging Oreki's body. Even the adults were screaming like young girls, and falling unconscious from the pain like a circuit breaker had been flipped.
"And yet… you're not having any trouble enduring, are you?"
Ikki alone, without rolling on the ground… no, without the slightest movement, continued to stand there in the arena without moving his gaze from Oreki.
"As the one who asked for a duel, I won't back down from pain."
He had certainly heard Oreki's description. Just breathing made his lungs seem to split. But… Ikki smiled slightly.
"…You're not the only one can bear it."
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Can we like
Debate the match now.
Phantom form isn't relevant if Ikki can land a hit to begin with due to AP and blade and Gunha has things aside from pain resistance
Debate the match now.
Phantom form isn't relevant if Ikki can land a hit to begin with due to AP and blade and Gunha has things aside from pain resistance
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Ok so what stops skill?
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Oblivion Of The Endless said:
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Ok so ugh.
Amazing punch is a blast of wind. Something Ikki has dealt with to...FAR greater heights.
Aurora Guard only protects against lightning attacks apparently.
Regen is literally useless. It's Low-Mid, it's aplicability in a fight like this is close to 0.
Amazing punch is a blast of wind. Something Ikki has dealt with to...FAR greater heights.
Aurora Guard only protects against lightning attacks apparently.
Regen is literally useless. It's Low-Mid, it's aplicability in a fight like this is close to 0.
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Amazing Punch is a telekinetic blast that ignores the laws of physics
Thats outdated, it can work against any other stuff too. Its just a generic forcefield iirc
Thats outdated, it can work against any other stuff too. Its just a generic forcefield iirc
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> Amazing punch is a blast of wind. > Aurora Guard only protects against lightning attacks
no that's another ability, it's literally in the feat page please i know u don't like any argument but ur own but at least learn to read, u refuse the read the profile and feat page
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LazyHunter/Toaru_Blog_-_Gunha_Sogiita
ur argument makes only sound more and more biased
both ability are not wind or a magnetic field or telekinesis , we don't know what they are, probably it's just him warping reality as he wants , he probably is the esper equivalent of https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aureolus_Izzard or https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Othinus both reality warper of the magic side (magic was created by trying to copy original esper in the first place with other methods)
but obv unless he learns of his power he is just a comic book super hero stereotype
no that's another ability, it's literally in the feat page please i know u don't like any argument but ur own but at least learn to read, u refuse the read the profile and feat page
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LazyHunter/Toaru_Blog_-_Gunha_Sogiita
ur argument makes only sound more and more biased
both ability are not wind or a magnetic field or telekinesis , we don't know what they are, probably it's just him warping reality as he wants , he probably is the esper equivalent of https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aureolus_Izzard or https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Othinus both reality warper of the magic side (magic was created by trying to copy original esper in the first place with other methods)
but obv unless he learns of his power he is just a comic book super hero stereotype
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>More and more biased
>I literally read what was on the profile.
Sure dude.
@Oblivion
Ok but what does the "ignores laws of physics" add to it? Any special ability?
>I literally read what was on the profile.
Sure dude.
@Oblivion
Ok but what does the "ignores laws of physics" add to it? Any special ability?
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considering u said and i quote : Amazing punch is a blast of wind.
and there i no mention of it on the profile about being just wind again i would like to ask where did u get such info ?
and no this does not count : He is similarly able to produce an overwhelming blast of wind with a punch and once stopped several falling metal containers from crushing him just by raising his hands and blowing them upwards.
considering it's not the same stuff it's another highlighted by the similar part and in the feat page
being able to ignore physic is just that it does not make sense, generally esper take advantage of physic or control them to use their powers (atomos, quantum physic, electrons. vector, etc) gunha ability instated just works cause he belive it works, it make no sense u can see it in the feat link i posted here
and there i no mention of it on the profile about being just wind again i would like to ask where did u get such info ?
and no this does not count : He is similarly able to produce an overwhelming blast of wind with a punch and once stopped several falling metal containers from crushing him just by raising his hands and blowing them upwards.
considering it's not the same stuff it's another highlighted by the similar part and in the feat page
being able to ignore physic is just that it does not make sense, generally esper take advantage of physic or control them to use their powers (atomos, quantum physic, electrons. vector, etc) gunha ability instated just works cause he belive it works, it make no sense u can see it in the feat link i posted here
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>There is no mention of it being wind.
>Quotes the profile saying "he can produce an overwhelming balst of wind with a punch".
>Saying that doesn't count.
As for the ignore physics, seems pretty useless then. If it adds nothing to the ability seems useless in this fight.
>Quotes the profile saying "he can produce an overwhelming balst of wind with a punch".
>Saying that doesn't count.
As for the ignore physics, seems pretty useless then. If it adds nothing to the ability seems useless in this fight.
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oh yes it's just there to explain how it works unlike other esper which work in a more conventional way
btw i linked the feat page that is on the profile for more info
basically, wind has nothing to do with it same for aurora guards it has nothing to do with magnetic fields
they are just energy of unknown source
the wind blast is another ability all together
btw i linked the feat page that is on the profile for more info
basically, wind has nothing to do with it same for aurora guards it has nothing to do with magnetic fields
they are just energy of unknown source
the wind blast is another ability all together
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Ok but it's still just a blast and a forcefield. What AP is the force field?
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Surprise attacks?
Oof, trackless step exists though.
Oof, trackless step exists though.
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Extrasensory Percetion doesn't help against Trackless Step at all.
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