Skill Guy vs Guts Man (not the Megaman one)

[Malox1696]

Well it would all be alright if it wasn't for the fact that the attack was made by this guy https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ollerus


He didn't want to kill him just knock him out tho

 

[Ionliosite]

>His inner organs tank the attacks of a 5-B

And people say Rakudai is insane...

 

[00potato]

So if he wasn't trying to kill him then his AP wouldn't mean much.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>His inner organs tank the attacks of a 5-B
And people say Rakudai is insane...

Its all about guts

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I love how suddenly tanking the attacks of a 5-B is a pain resistance feat instead of plain durability.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Pain is not caused by what you tank, it's caused by the damage you receive. So if he received little to no damage from the attack, then it doesn't mean anything that the attack was from a 5-B.

 

[XDragnoir]

He didn't tank the attack, Ollerus magic ignores durability by causing equal damage to all the internal organs at the same time, Gunha received it twice iirc.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He didn't tank the attack, Ollerus magic ignores durability by causing equal damage to all the internal organs at the same time, Gunha received it twice iirc.

Not a pain resistance feat though.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Considering the attack targets all of your organs, including nerves and very sensitive parts of the body that we cant even imagine, I'd say it is

 

[Malox1696]

I said he was holding back but he wanted to knock him out with pain , both of their power behave weirdly , ollerus is an incomplete MAGIC GOD so anything he does he rolls a d20 and if the check wins it happens, while sogita is supposed to be similar to him but an esper instead of a magician, and his ability make nonsense by esper standards (u cant self regen Ur self with GUTS using physic normally)

Even considering that ollerus was holding back that still quite the feat of pain resistance + if the pain is just induced mentally and not real he has mind resistance (again with guts that makes no sense but whatever), really sogita is the black sheep if esper , even the most bullshit esper power at least has an explanation that makes sense (DM, deep blood ,etc) sogita ability is trully a black box instead

 

[XDragnoir]

What? How receiving direct damage to your brain, hearth, etc, isn't pain resistance?

 

[Tonygameman]

You posted a same message twice...

 

[Malox1696]

Sometime it happens when the forum does not load so u click the send button twice I think it happened to anyone at this point

 

[Firephoenixearl]

What? How receiving direct damage to your brain, hearth, etc, isn't pain resistance?

Recieving the damage is pain resistance. Tanking the attack is something else. You don't tank 5-B dura neg attacks with "pain resistance".

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Except he received the damage. Ollerus is far above Gunha in raw power and almost died with two or three attacks, yet he stood up and tried to fight him regardless of what he was feeling

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes, how much damage did he take exactly? I will just say it again, pain is based off of "how much harm was done to your body", not "how much more powerful that dude was".

He was hit in all organs, but it was clear no serious damage was done.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The scans already explains a bit + The whole body received damage (literally everything in his body, from the biggest to smallest organs that exists)

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok received damage. How is that more impressive than the examples i gave? Ikki literally got an actual hole through all his limbs and organs, and still got up like nothing had happened.

 

[XDragnoir]

Why exactly are we even talking about pain resistance here?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Phantom Form.

 

[XDragnoir]

But what it does?

 

[Schnee_One]

Ok received damage. How is that more impressive than the examples i gave? Ikki literally got an actual hole through all his limbs and organs, and still got up like nothing had happened.

This isn't actually impressive unless it struck a vital organ or artery

 

[Firephoenixearl]

It isn't impressive in terms of pain?

 

[Schnee_One]

No, it's ultimately a much worse version of getting stabbed with a needle

There are legit people who ignore the pain of being shot by not thinking about it.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No, it's ultimately a much worse version of getting stabbed with a needle
There are legit people who ignore the pain of being shot by not thinking about it.

It is much better than anything like "got hit in all organs" though. And there is still Violet Pain which insta KO's guards via pain alone.

 

[XDragnoir]

Generic guards with no feats?

 

[Schnee_One]

It is much better than anything like "got hit in all organs" though. And there is still Violet Pain which insta KO's guards via pain alone.

Bullshit. The pain of having all of your organs being busted apart at once, twice in a row, which would kill a normal person, isn't killing something that has logically been survived before

A better argument would be "Ouma having all of his bones shattering" or Stella having her insides burned can still be KOd by phantom form, but a hole through your body being less painful then organs breaking is just flat wrong.

 

[XDragnoir]

It seems strong will is enough to stop phantom form, and GUTS is all about willpowers, what more this Ikki can do?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The organs never busted, they were just hit. And you're taking the "survival" severely out of context. They would die because of well, their organs exploding, not because of the pain it produces.

>A hole through your body.

>A hole through every organ and every limb.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

"Yes, yes, that's quite like you. Alright, to show a little respect, I'll give you a handicap. I'll tell you the place I'll pierce you next. Try and avoid it. Now, here I go. To start with, the left thigh."

"Gah!"

"What's the matter? Your reaction is slow. There, right shoulder!"

"Guh…!"

"Come on, try to dodge! The next one is your right ear!"

"Uwa!"

"Your movements are slow, Kurogane-kun! Don't you have some motivation? Put more spirit into it and run around! Here, left shoulder! Right thigh, right palm, calf, right knee, small intestine, stomach! Liver! Kidney! Large intestine! You'll die, you'll die! If you don't dodge well, you're as good as dead!"

"Guaaaaaaah!"

Ikki's knees finally collapsed as Kirihara's arrows started to fly at the internal organs in his torso.

Only from the mentioned spots there are 13, after that it says "arrows started to fly at the internal organs", so you can imagine how many holes were punched into Ikki's body.

 

[XDragnoir]

If he can survive without a hearth, brain, etc, shouldn't he have immortality type 2?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Generic guards with no feats?

Highly trained guards. So warriors. And they got insta KO-d. To KO with pain even a normal person is no small feat. And ikki didn't even flinch at this btw.

 

[Malox1696]

i think u should do a bit of research of the nervous system, did u ever get hit in the balls ? why do u think u fell more pain than other parts ? why do u think people can move fine with hole in their bodies?

it's the body that chose which areas are vital and have more sensory pain lvl

hitting everything twice even when holding back is very very painful (u can cause more pain by hitting all the nerve at once that what u could ever feel in ur life)

or pain and general world perception is cause of the nerve in the first place

+ he has mind resistance already

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The amount of damage those pain sensors feel, is dependent on the amount of damage they took though, that's a pretty important part to keep in mind.

 

[Malox1696]

if u hit them directly u skip the "depends on the amount"

 

[Firephoenixearl]

if u hit them directly u skip the "depends on the amount"

Not if you hit the organs, only if you hit the nervous system alone, which isn't stated to happen.

 

[Malox1696]

it hit's everything in the body equally, it literally says it's like getting soaked in water but with damage

in the first place the spell itself makes no sense, it's supposed to be a defensive spell

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes everything was hit equally, not "it targeted the nervous system directly". Everything was hit and damaged equally, to what exent it was damaged is what would dictate how much pain he felt.

 

[Malox1696]

at this point u are going in circle

u are arguing that he has less pain Resistance than what he has shown, so how about u quantify it in the first place ?

i mean if in ur head u know it's less then u gotta have some way to calculate it in the first place

 

[XDragnoir]

Damage enough to make wounds over all his body, which means the sensitive parts took that same amount of damage.