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I'm actually not sure about Crystal manip being merged tbh, I feel manipulating soil is usually not treated the same way as being able to produce or control crystals
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Should we reduce how many Power pages we have?
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Quick Google and apparantly crystals aren't even inherently a soil thing, they are any solid material with a certain type of composition
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Do I take it as a disagreement or neutrality? @Andytrenom
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Disagreement
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I know I mention metal manipulation has enough distinctions to be separate from Earth Manipulation to be separate as metal is a specifically well established type of matter different from other forms of Earth. And it also involves bending certain types of metals that aren't really parts of Earth such as Adamantium manipulation. I also agree with Andy regarding Crystal manipulation as those types of rocks are often specialized and made of different more refined alloys. Likewise, it's not just limited to manipulating diamonds or rubies, but also certain fictional crystals. Like Blood Ruby manipulation or Kryptonite Manipulation sound like sub-powers of Crystal Manipulation and Earth Manipulation doesn't sound like it would cut it.
Morality Manipulation often has more in common with spiritual manipulation than it does mind manipulation or manipulation of the heart/empathy than it does the mind. But unless Empathy Manipulation is also something we want to treat as something the same as Mind Manipulation, then I'd advocate for keeping it separated from mind manipulation. I also agree with Armor regarding Madness Manipulation; plenty of users can invoke Madness manipulation via use of drugs or plagues/viruses and is not limited to Telepathy/Psychokinesis powers. It has more in common with status inducement rather than mind manipulation.
Morality Manipulation often has more in common with spiritual manipulation than it does mind manipulation or manipulation of the heart/empathy than it does the mind. But unless Empathy Manipulation is also something we want to treat as something the same as Mind Manipulation, then I'd advocate for keeping it separated from mind manipulation. I also agree with Armor regarding Madness Manipulation; plenty of users can invoke Madness manipulation via use of drugs or plagues/viruses and is not limited to Telepathy/Psychokinesis powers. It has more in common with status inducement rather than mind manipulation.
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To summarize, you disagree with everything except sense manipulation and stats amp. Can you confirm?
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Ah, I'm fine with Sand Manipulation being merged with Earth Manipulation; just not Crystal Manipulation. Think that's specific enough to be separate.
Also, got to mention this in case anybody wonders where I'm at, I got to head to my RL work shift.
Also, got to mention this in case anybody wonders where I'm at, I got to head to my RL work shift.
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Alright I noted your vote.
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Well, I agree with merging rage power and awakened power with statistics amplification, and sense manipulation with perception manipulation, but am very uncertain about merging madness manipulation and morality manipulation with mind manipulation, and think that crystal manipulation and sand manipulation can probably remain as they are, as they are rather common and much more limited powers than earth manipulation.
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Promestein has a vote when she wants to help out. It seems silly to not include it.
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That is a good point. I also disagree about merging that page then.
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I will take it as "same stance as DDM", then.
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Why should chaos manipulation be nuked when more than a few characters use chaos as an ability? An entire series has a huge faction of its characters built around using chaos itself.
Bobsican
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Because it's a nothing ability as discussed a lot previously, the current description in the page just goes over it overall causing a mess by multiple means, which overlaps with either mundane terrorism that shouldn't fall as a P&A (or at best caused by other P&As), or some sort of Fate/Probability Manip.
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Chaos Manipulation also has a lot in common with Existence Erasure, though I'm willing to hear Glass out for more details.
Arkenis
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Maybe "Energy Emission" could work too.
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I disagree, aura is generally a known concept among fictions, why should we change the term that is already known in powerscaling and fiction. Its being misused is not a reason to change its name. We can simply rework on it, but changing the name is definitely a no.
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Yeah, Aura should stay and Armor already explained why.
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It’s not mundane terrorism, Chaos is the opposite of Order, it’s the antithesis to Law hax as with several verses that has it as an ability, Castlevania being the most noteworthy example as creatures of chaos literally use chaos itself. If it was just another form of existence erasure then explain why chaos in Castlevania is used in ways not related to EE at all, and instead causes disorder across the lands?
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Then we can put it under EE if it is another form, no?
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I literally said it’s not EE, that makes 0 ******* sense especially with the context of how Castlevania does it.
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No need to be aggressive or be rude. I asked a question, since you said it's the other form of EE. I am not even contesting for Chaos Manipulation being removed because the reasons for it is already weak.
Also, in my opinion, it sounds it is some form of destruction manipulation.
Also, in my opinion, it sounds it is some form of destruction manipulation.
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It’s literally controlling Anarchy, that’s what Chaos Manipulation is in a nutshell, the antithesis of what Order/Lax hax is. I also never said it’s EE, DarkDragonMedeus said it’s EE, I’m saying why exactly would Chaos function like EE when verses that use chaos as it’s core ability don’t use it like that at all
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However, your tally should be updated here to list the specific staff sentiments for each individual page, one at a time, as it currently does not accurately reflect the opinions of myself or others.
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You said you are in the same stance as DDM. So I added it like that to avoid the vote tally being spammy.
If it is not, please, let me know your current stance, so I can change it.
Sorry for annoyance.
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No, I only said that I agreed with him about not merging our morality manipulation page into our mind manipulation page.
Meaning:
I agree about merging rage power and awakened power into statistics amplification, time stop with time manipulation, and sense manipulation with perception manipulation.
I disagree about merging morality manipulation with mind manipulation, or merging crystal manipulation and sand manipulation with earth manipulation.
I am neutral about merging madness manipulation with mind manipulation.
I also disagree with removing aura, chaos manipulation, ectoplasm manipulation, and blessed, but am uncertain about breath attack.
Please carefully list all of the views by other staff members case-by-case as well. Thank you.
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I will update it. I am sorry for the inconvenience
Arkenis
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It is just a simple form of air manipulation or even body control in some cases so it would be fine for removal.
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Yes, but it is likely very difficult to go through all of the pages that list it as an ability to figure out which ability that it should be replaced with in each individual case.
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No, people misusing isn't a ground for an ability deletion or alteration, that entirely people's fault, not the power, also the reason for confusion of this ability is because verse with Chi Manipulation often go along with Aura
no Chaos is opposite of Law/Order hax, similar to Holy and Unholy hax. I disagree with this
depend on context, which we can flexibly fix, such as if breath attack is breath an energy blast, we can replace with Energy Projection/Energy Manip and write detail description about it, Fire Breath?? the it is Fire Manipluation then, etc..........
Also, we are foremostly an indexing site, i don't see the reason to go with this ability deletion too hard like this, sure we merge and delete overlaping abilities, but if we just go too hard with this, then just delete reality warping-type abilities such as fate hax, causality hax, EE, law hax, etc............, leaving only Reality Warping intact
Arkenis
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The difference is that those abilities address very specific aspects of RW, Breath attack is very limited and isn’t even an overlapping ability, its just a different way to use another ability.
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Guys, I need to kindly remind you, it's staff only thread. Get permission from a staff member to post here.
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I did not add regarding “removal pages”, since I want to start with merging first. I updated the stance now.I also disagree with removing aura, chaos manipulation, ectoplasm manipulation, and blessed, but am uncertain about breath attack.
Please carefully list all of the views by other staff members case-by-case as well. Thank you.
Bobsican
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I'm not proposing it for deletion, please read the whole post before jumping to conclusions:
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I assume by merging rage power with statistics amplification we’re just adding it as a sub category for that page? If so I’m fine with it given they normally function different than normal stat amping abilities. Sense Manipulation merging with perception manipulation I’m fine with given they’ve always looked the same to me.
I don’t buy Madness hax merging with mind manipulation given the very nature of that ability is fundamentally different. Morality I’m not sure I buy given the specific nature of it.
I disagree with Sand Manipulation merging with earth manipulation when so many noteworthy fictional series distinguish between controlling sand and the earth itself. Crystal manipulation I disagree with merging for Andy’s reasons.
Blessed I don’t see why we should merge it when the ability is the user is being blessed by something else, Power Bestowal is the user blessing another being.
What part of Unholy manipulation is remotely stated to be corruption? Cause I’m not following how that’s remotely stated to be like that.
Breath attack maybe I’m fine with removing, though I’m not 100% sure since some series uses breath attack as a distinguished move a la Fairy Tail.
Energy Projection I don’t agree with full on deletion given it’s a lot more of a specific/basic form of energy manipulation, where the latter is full on control over the ability and using it in a variety of ways.
I don’t buy Madness hax merging with mind manipulation given the very nature of that ability is fundamentally different. Morality I’m not sure I buy given the specific nature of it.
I disagree with Sand Manipulation merging with earth manipulation when so many noteworthy fictional series distinguish between controlling sand and the earth itself. Crystal manipulation I disagree with merging for Andy’s reasons.
Blessed I don’t see why we should merge it when the ability is the user is being blessed by something else, Power Bestowal is the user blessing another being.
What part of Unholy manipulation is remotely stated to be corruption? Cause I’m not following how that’s remotely stated to be like that.
Breath attack maybe I’m fine with removing, though I’m not 100% sure since some series uses breath attack as a distinguished move a la Fairy Tail.
Energy Projection I don’t agree with full on deletion given it’s a lot more of a specific/basic form of energy manipulation, where the latter is full on control over the ability and using it in a variety of ways.
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Thank you for your assessment, @Theglassman12. I'll incorporate your viewpoint into the vote count. Please note that I'll include only the suggestions for merging at this stage; the removal suggestions will be addressed in the subsequent phase after the merging process.
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