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Susbedo should not be High 8CAnyway, reading the thread, here are the possibilities I'm seeing:
- Non-destructive characters or characters with no massive feats will have High 8-C as their baseline, scaling to Bennett and Susbedo
- Higher tier ones either scale above the High 8-C characters or we revise the bamboo forest calc based on the "in-lore" scaling of the size of a bamboo forest, which would be around High 7-C (haven't bothered to really make it official though)
- Characters can be scaled to other characters like basically every Vision User to someone like Bennett but should preferably be scaled to character-specific feats
The low tiers from what I understand don't scale to susbedo but Bennett who melted Susbedos High 8-C iceSusbedo should not be High 8C
He was able to throw hands with Eula and clash swords with Traveler, who at this point had already clapped Childe
As for literally featless characters like Barbara and Diona, they should be "unknown" for literally never being in any combat-related scenario in the entire series. Default High 8C doesn't make any sense since actual High 8Cs have had training to use their powers specifically in combat while other characters haven't
Makes senseAs for literally featless characters like Barbara and Diona, they should be "unknown" for literally never being in any combat-related scenario in the entire series. Default High 8C doesn't make any sense since actual High 8Cs have had training to use their powers specifically in combat while other characters haven't
yes I'm aware, but Susbedo himself is not High 8C due to being able to physically clash with the TravelerThe low tiers from what I understand don't scale to susbedo but Bennett who melted Susbedos High 8-C ice
We have a canon distance of 100 miles on the map, why not just use that?Using the histogram tool on Photoshop, we find that the rough area of the selected forest is about 848 px^2, which when plugged into a radius calculator yields 16.42945 px, the document states there is an in-game meter for every 0.5125 pixels so:
16.42945/0.5125 = 32.05746341 in-game meters
Plugging these into the calculation, nets an 9-A+ to High 8-C
I just read and you corrected yourselfWe have a canon distance of 100 miles on the map, why not just use that?
100 miles? Where?We have a canon distance of 100 miles on the map, why not just use that?
Entrance to Guili100 miles? Where?
What's canon about the distance? Is there an in-game signpost that lists 100 miles?Entrance to Guili
The dialogue.What's canon about the distance? Is there an in-game signpost that lists 100 miles?
The dialogue.
Wow. Someone wrote an entire scientific paper on this topic. Nice. But I still couldn't find a mention of 100 miles or Xiangling even with CTRL-F.The document I linked speculates in-game to in-lore distance with a talk about 100 miles to the west which came from the Cooking event with Xiangling.
200 Li in chinese version, which is around 100 km.That's 96km away from Wangshu Inn, was that used instead of 100km?
Andrius =< Liyue Traveler => Ganyu = GuhuaReading it again, why are we scaling Andrius to Guhua exactly? I don't really see much standing in the way of just making everyone High 8-C, we could make an exception for characters who are incredibly strong as Guhua himself is speculated to be an Adepti of sorts but I don't really see a reason why Guhua calc would scale to any of the regular Vision Users. Hell, we already make exceptions for people like Beidou (I still think her High 7-A rating is a hot load of shit), Xiao, and Shenhe, why is Guhua suddenly the focal point for characters that quite literally have no relation to him?
The justification I'm seeing for withholding the downgrades because Razor and Traveler might and I emphasize might scale to Andrius if we ignore the fact that the whole fight isn't really winnable anyway, and just plainly assume Andrius scales to Guhua for literally no good reason other than "they're both strong"
Really, all the other scaling we do is kind of horse hock given we scale Xiao to a feat that is unique to Venti, and scale to Beidou to a monster that might scale to other comparable monsters that the gods fought which we just scale to Venti's feat again. The logic is there but the justification for scaling is questionable because it relies on hasty assumptions on the relation of different characters.
What's the justifications for these.Andrius =< Liyue Traveler => Ganyu = Guhua
I don't know much about Andrius' and Guhua's scaling but Ganyu directly stated that the Traveler wasn't inferior to her in her Story Quest.What's the justifications for these.
Why's Liyue Traveler Superior to Andrius and Ganyu
And why is Ganyu equal to Guhua
Liiyue Traveler was stated to be stronger than Ganyu by Ganyu herself in her story quest, and Traveler boxed with Andrius in Razor'sWhat's the justifications for these.
Why's Liyue Traveler Superior to Andrius and Ganyu
And why is Ganyu equal to Guhua
And then, there Inazuma and Sumeru Traveler who dunked the gods.Liiyue Traveler was stated to be stronger than Ganyu by Ganyu herself in her story quest, and Traveler boxed with Andrius in Razor's
Ganyu's considered the baseline for combatant Adepti in Genshin, and even lower-level Adepti scale to higher-level Vision users due to both being able to mollywhopp the likes of Abyss Mages, who can fight against the average trained Vision User
Inazuma Traveler's only feat is kicking Signora's ass who's still 7BAnd then, there Inazuma and Sumeru Traveler who dunked the gods.
Didn't Scara kill the Traveler 168 times or something like that?Sumeru Traveler should somewhat scale to God Scara
yes but Traveler was still able to respond to and harm Scara, so he downscalesDidn't Scara kill the Traveler 168 times or something like that?
Guhua is considered an adeptus according to the lore behind the Rainslasher weaponGonna be honest, not convinced about scaling Ganyu to Guhua given Guhua has no reason to really have his feats scaled to anyone, and the justification for it merely being that Guhua is an adeptus or adeptus-aligned. Is there any good reason why we shouldn't just discard this besides the fact that we just arbitrarily decided that he'd scale to every Adeptus?
There's no good reason that it should really be considered a feat scalable to anyone given he has zero direct association with just about every relevant character we encounter, hell, Shenhe's 7-A calc would have more basis than this at being something Ganyu scaled to given they were both trained by Cloud Retainer, or the fact that Shenhe actually has been trained by other Adepti.
The lore behind the emergence of adepti is actually a lot like cultivation from those xia-whatever novels, so IMO universal adepti-scaling doesn't really make sense.
He is fighting Ei.Inazuma Traveler's only feat is kicking Signora's ass who's still 7B
Misinterpretation of her statement, she said he's not inferior, not that he's strongerLiiyue Traveler was stated to be stronger than Ganyu by Ganyu herself in her story quest,
Okay I guess?and Traveler boxed with Andrius in Razor's
I don't recall instances of Abyss mages not losing to an avg trained vision userGanyu's considered the baseline for combatant Adepti in Genshin, and even lower-level Adepti scale to higher-level Vision users due to both being able to mollywhopp the likes of Abyss Mages, who can fight against the average trained Vision User
same thing, they both have the same tierMisinterpretation of her statement, she said he's not inferior, not that he's stronger
Okay I guess?
But Andrius has no reason to scale to Guhua
I don't recall instances of Abyss mages not losing to an avg trained vision user