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Inazuma Traveler is 6-C lol for standing hus ground against Makoto possessed Ei.
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Yeah but that alone shouldn't be basis for Ganyu scaling to him.Guhua is considered an adeptus according to the lore behind the Rainslasher weapon
Even Rainslasher is wishy-washy over it. Let's not forget how many people mistook Shenhe for an adeptus despite her being human. I'd say the situation is too vague to really apply to Ganyu, and allowing Guhua to scale to Ganyu requires too many assumptions to be made.It is said that he was an adeptus. While Guhua lived, bandits dared not act and the wilderness knew a peace like that of the city.
Allegedly, at the end of his journey he ascended in a purple haze and became a star.
It's a pretty generous average for most Adepti due to the God of Salt being able to achieve something similar. She helped found an entire nation, and upon her death she devastated all of it in a massive kamikaze. The God of Salt was considered a lower-level God, meaning a decent average of most adepti should scale to or above that. If Guhua truly is an Adeptus, his feat should be at least be the bar for other beings at his levelYeah but that alone shouldn't be basis for Ganyu scaling to him.
Xiao fought alongside Adeptis Morax and defeated enemies alongside him, meaning he should at least downscale to him somewhatWe already differentiate Yaksha in tiers from regular Adepti for whatever reason, I don't see why Guhua being said to be an adeptus is any real basis for scaling him to Ganyu. That's a leap if I've ever seen one.
Also let me quote the Rainslasher description:
Even Rainslasher is wishy-washy over it. Let's not forget how many people mistook Shenhe for an adeptus despite her being human. I'd say the situation is to vague to really apply to Ganyu, and allowing Guhua to scale to Ganyu requires too many assumptions to be made.
I mean a nation whose borders quickly shrunk in the face of any aggression though, I would scarcely consider that to be any real feat of power and Havria only devastated everything after she was killed by some no-name king which calls into question her durability and the resulting carnage was only because of the power that gods release when they are killed, according to Zhongli. Would we also basically believe that Adeptus can be killed by just some regular sword, then?It's a pretty generous average for most Adepti due to the God of Salt being able to achieve something similar. She helped found an entire nation, and upon her death she devastated all of it in a massive kamikaze. The God of Salt was considered a lower-level God, meaning a decent average of most adepti should scale to or above that. If Guhua truly is an Adeptus, his feat should be at least be the bar for other beings at his level
1 seems fine with meThe issue with blanket scaling is that we're treating Adepti as a monolithic entity that scales to each other when there are clearly gaps between individual ones between the likes of Zhongli and Yanfei for example. Guhua being a sort of "baseline" seems like such an arbitrary notion without any real information to support this assumption. Yes, people think he's an Adeptus, but I hardly think that's any real reason to make him the "baseline" given the unreliable and indecisiveness of the text as well as the unique context surrounding individual characters in the story.
In my opinion, Guhua should be isolated completely until new evidence demonstrates that his feats can scale to the current cast without hasty assumptions. This is not a dismissal of the evidence but rather an acknowledgment that perhaps the current scaling is held aloft on very questionable grounds. I'm open to discussing this again in the future, but until then I propose the following:
The rest can be addressed in another CRT but I still firmly believe in downgrading lower-tier characters, and I'd rather this not be held back by debating intricacies of certain feats and scaling that wouldn't apply to them.
- Have lower tier Vision Users downgraded to High 8-C from low 7-B, particularly combat focused ones like Bennett who aren't on strong grounds to be comparable to higher tier ones
- Either have 7-B characters downgraded to whatever calculation the new forest one yields (mine was a very rough estimate), or remove Guhua's feat from the equation completely. Or alternatively just leave them untouched until we can find a new solution to this.
Nothing really, but who would we even use to get anything relavent for mid tier?P.S. What's stopping us from using stuff like fireball calcs for certain characters? As far as I am aware, DnD uses calcs like these and it might be useful for some particular characters
I think cutting these forest will yield us at minimum 8-A.Realized I forgot to scale this to "in-lore" distance. Ratio of in-game to in-lore is about 1:158.66, so plugging that in we get a radius of about ~5086km, which would be around High 7-C if plugged into a calculator. This might help with the current debate.
You are really motivated bro.Here it is, the feat would range from Large Building level to City Block level depending on which end is used to scale.
I highly doubt that, given that between the 3 Honkai games, none share the same scaling amongst each other lmaoAnd mark my word. One day we will scale genshin characters with honkai ones.
Weirdly consistent with how he was considered to be just a random martial artist when he performed this feat and later become a renowned martial artist and likely an adepti, making him being above or on par with combat oriented Vision holder not far fetched. Altho it could be due to the weapon that allow him to perform such feat.Here it is, the feat would range from Large Building level to City Block level depending on which end is used to scale.
They actually do lol.highly doubt that, given that between the 3 Honkai games, none share the same scaling amongst each other lmao
They actually do lol.
Just look in the discord.
We didn't scale anything from GGZ to HI, the Kiana thing is just pure HI statement not something from GGZ.Even we scale some thing from GGZ to HI3rd.
Look at SolacisWe didn't scale anything from GGZ to HI, the Kiana thing is just pure HI statement not something from GGZ.
Solacis said that they're comparable to GGZ god tier lol.Also Star Rail still hasn't come out yet so we don't even know how powerful or weak Welt became with the bonus stuff from Path and the lack of a core.
Sure.Look at Solacis
Solacis said that they're comparable to GGZ god tier lol.
This is what I mean lol.low tier god
Still scaling lol.that's purely base on their nature of existence, not their power.
Here what Bun-Bun said.Sure.
No he didn't, Show said so and he specifically call them similar to low tier god which isn't even god tier like Outer God, and that's purely base on their nature of existence, not their power.
Let's not get off topic guys, this is discussing purely Genshin scaling and any cross game scaling should be its own thread
They don't, I am on the discord.They actually do lol.
Just look in the discord.
THis is what i mean bruh.The only shared scaling is how dimensions work, and potentially what authorities characters have.
Waiting for approvalsAnyway, I've revised the calculation now with the proper thickness of the Prototype Archaic taken into account. So now the lowest end is City Block level while the highest is Multi-City Block level
Now here is what we're working with:
- Susbedo's Ice feat: 4.28 tons of TNT, High 8-C
- Guhua's Bamboo Forest feat, which depending on which end gets approve, can be from 32 tons to 85 tons to 160 tons
- Eula's Bullet Blocking
Now that we've collected most of what we can what do we do now?
≥ is not the same thing as =same thing, they both have the same tier
Doesn't Razor's story quest occur before the Liyue plotline?Andrius scales to Liyue Traveler who scales to Ganyu who is an adeptus, and Guhua is also considered an adeptus
Since there are still gaps in the bamboo, I don't think you can use the entire area of the circle.Here it is, the feat would range from Large Building level to City Block level depending on which end is used to scale.
Right, mb, I'll revise it right away.Since there are still gaps in the bamboo, I don't think you can use the entire area of the circle.
The revision has been dragged for too long, it's a damn time we have settled this lelWelp with the revisions we're back down to Large Building LMFAO