UPGRADE ATTACK POTENCY 4A (GENSHIN IMPACT)

[Furina003]

nice arguments, one question? are ya still gonna prove the stars being real via scans or by pure assumptions? atp ill just ask garrixian to tag staff this is tiring all i ask is a proof for stars being real and i get hit with same args over and over

It has been shown what the shapes of the planets and satellites are from the planets to the stars, it has also been explained that the world is real as I explained in my OP. In my opinion, this is quite credible, unless it was never shown and was just a raw statement, then it would be rejected by itself. I can't say anything anymore, so now I'll just to wait

 

[Weaver261]

It has been shown what the shapes of the planets and satellites are from the planets to the stars, it has also been explained that the world is real as I explained in my OP. In my opinion, this is quite credible, unless it was never shown and was just a raw statement, then it would be rejected by itself. I can't say anything anymore, so now I'll just to wait

@Woomica are you okay with hexenzirkel likely 4-A rating? I am fine with this since they scale relatively higher in Teyvat. But I still disagree with teapot solar system and vision holders, archons scaling to that

 

[Woomica]

@Woomica are you okay with hexenzirkel likely 4-A rating? I am fine with this since they scale relatively higher in Teyvat. But I still disagree with teapot solar system and vision holders, archons scaling to that

ugh sure but it would most likely be via creaiton since it doesnt mention usage of elemental energy but "certain magic"

 

[Voidnether]

I thought the OP discarded the argument for 4-A vision holders based on my reasoning?

 

[Furina003]

I thought the OP discarded the argument for 4-A vision holders based on my reasoning?

Yes, I didn't make this to upgrade the user's vision, but this is only for high god level in genshin

 

[Furina003]

(CHARACTERS AFFECTED BY THIS SCALLING)
the hexenzirkle wizard once challenged barbatos to a fight, Diluk also once explained that Alice was the only person besides Barbatos who could rule Golden Apple Island. From this we can conclude that Barbatos has power that is at least equivalent to a Hexenzirkle wizard or vice versa, Barbatos is an archon and based on this Barbatos is a high level god in the Genshin Impact verse. automatically all characters who are in high god tier in genshin will get this scaling, including morax, raiden, dragon sovereign, fatui harbingers ranks 1-3 and so on.

 

[Aernasilver]

Creation feats don't scale to anyone besides the creator.

Edit: Obviously I mean if it's like Tier, Tier via creation.

 

[Voidnether]

(CHARACTERS AFFECTED BY THIS SCALLING)
the hexenzirkle wizard once challenged barbatos to a fight, Diluk also once explained that Alice was the only person besides Barbatos who could rule Golden Apple Island. From this we can conclude that Barbatos has power that is at least equivalent to a Hexenzirkle wizard or vice versa, Barbatos is an archon and based on this Barbatos is a high level god in the Genshin Impact verse. automatically all characters who are in high god tier in genshin will get this scaling, including morax, raiden, dragon sovereign, fatui harbingers ranks 1-3 and so on.

Why would creation feats scale to durability, though?

 

[Weaver261]

the hexenzirkle wizard once challenged barbatos to a fight, Diluk also once explained that Alice was the only person besides Barbatos who could rule Golden Apple Island. From this we can conclude that Barbatos has power that is at least equivalent to a Hexenzirkle wizard or vice versa, Barbatos is an archon and based on this Barbatos is a high level god in the Genshin Impact verse

Hexenzirkel challenged barbatos to fight but they actually didn't fight at all. Diluc's statement of Alice being able to rule Golden Apple Island aside from Barbatos, how does that imply barbatos have the same level of power as Alice? To me that just means Alice is powerful enough to rule the island. Not barbatos upscaling to Alice at all

 

[Furina003]

Why would creation feats scale to durability, though?

I found some connection between magic and elemental energy.

gnosis is mentioned as the seventh internal magic.
samachurls are stated to be wizards and use magic to summon elemental powers. hence why they can use elemental powers without vision
3 star magic guide weapon description explains the elemental principles of hydro and electro

Mavuika also explained that when receiving great power like Ronova's power it depends on the person's endurance. if he was able to survive then he would gain power stronger than any archon. which means that the greater the elemental energy that a person is able to receive, the stronger that person's endurance and attack power will be.

 

[Shey]

I found some connection between magic and elemental energy.

gnosis is mentioned as the seventh internal magic.
samachurls are stated to be wizards and use magic to summon elemental powers. hence why they can use elemental powers without vision
3 star magic guide weapon description explains the elemental principles of hydro and electro

Mavuika also explained that when receiving great power like Ronova's power it depends on the person's endurance. if he was able to survive then he would gain power stronger than any archon. which means that the greater the elemental energy that a person is able to receive, the stronger that person's endurance and attack power will be.

Wielding Elemental Energy is a form of Magic, Visions and Gnosis are described as a Magic Foci for Elemental Energy in the loading screens. This doesn't mean the Elemental Energy applications are equivalent to the other uses of Magic as Elemental manipulation is a specific form of Magic, Elemental Energy isn't magic in itself.
Elemental Energy is ever present, Magic is just used to wield it

Ronova's Power isn't Elemental Energy to our knowledge, she's the god of death. The power she bestowed clearly just raises the ceiling for what the recipient would be capable of. It isn't exactly dependent on endurance as you say, Ronova's bestowed Power forces out its full potential unlike the Archon's Throne which allows them to unleash a limited potential to suit them thus Ronova's likely to be too much to handle if someone doesn't have the necessary endurance to withstand its trial.

 

[Furina003]

Wielding Elemental Energy is a form of Magic, Visions and Gnosis are described as a Magic Foci for Elemental Energy in the loading screens. This doesn't mean the Elemental Energy applications are equivalent to the other uses of Magic as Elemental manipulation is a specific form of Magic, Elemental Energy isn't magic in itself.
Elemental Energy is ever present, Magic is just used to wield it

Ronova's Power isn't Elemental Energy to our knowledge, she's the god of death. The power she bestowed clearly just raises the ceiling for what the recipient would be capable of. It isn't exactly dependent on endurance as you say, Ronova's bestowed Power forces out its full potential unlike the Archon's Throne which allows them to unleash a limited potential to suit them thus Ronova's likely to be too much to handle if someone doesn't have the necessary endurance to withstand its trial.

Yes, from here we know that all of these are variants of elemental power, many entities from outside use elemental power, one of which is a figure in the body of a narwhal whale who has explored the universe still uses elemental power. so magic can refer to elemental power.

Power Ronova is ancient elemental energy, didn't you see what Mavuika released after getting Power Ronova? it's clearly elemental energy you can see it.

What I want to convey here is that the greater a person's energy, the stronger they will be, both their durability and their attack potential.

That's why Mavuika said it would get stronger power than any archon.

 

[FireSwordHero]

anyway no matter how you see it, it is too inconsistent and way too big jump considering that trourought the years combined destruction caused by wars of strongest beings only ever reached near destruction of world and that almost every feat presented by archon/god/sovereign only reaches up to 6-B here and probably 6-A with that one neuvi calc

I don't think that's a good reason to limit characters only up to 6-B or 6-A.

First of all, assuming that high tiers like the Archons or the Harbringers are 4A or higher, it would make sense that their full power doesn't destroy the world as that would be counterpoint to the whole point of Archon War; destorying the planet in a demonstration of power wouldn't exactly be beneficial to any Archon and would invalidate the story of Genshin. It would be like saying that Dragon Ball Super tier characters aren't universe level because they didn't show the universe itself being destroyed (Using DBS as an example here).

Secondly, there's nothing really limiting characters from jumping up to higher tiers just because said jump in tier is "too high". Sometimes it just happens that a feat comes that changes the entire tiering of a character to the point where its many times higher than before, and said tiering isn't exactly easily shown in a video game. I mean, the Traveler at his peak is now 6B, yet I could aruge that he's 10B because he can't destroy an in-game tree. Is that True? No it isn't, but nothing is stopping me from saying that because the game doesn't allow you destroy a tree or destroy an in-game mountain.

Note: I just finished writing this hours later and the post got updated, so I didn't see just yet that the feat got kinda sorta accepted. That being said, I'm still posting this because I dislike this kind of fallacy reasoning when arguing tiering.

 

[Puppet43]

First of all, assuming that high tiers like the Archons or the Harbringers are 4A or higher, it would make sense that their full power doesn't destroy the world as that would be counterpoint to the whole point of Archon War; destorying the planet in a demonstration of power wouldn't exactly be beneficial to any Archon and would invalidate the story of Genshin. It would be like saying that Dragon Ball Super tier characters aren't universe level because they didn't show the universe itself being destroyed (Using DBS as an example here).

+ Ap doesnt really mean they can destroy that but they can output energy relative to the destruction of such constructs

 

[Weaver261]

Wielding Elemental Energy is a form of Magic, Visions and Gnosis are described as a Magic Foci for Elemental Energy in the loading screens

Eh....I haven't seen anything like that in game at all. If you are referring to what hoyolab wiki wrote, that's not valid since they are not actual scriptwriters but rather wiki editors. They might use other words.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Creation feats don't scale to anyone besides the creator.

Edit: Obviously I mean if it's like Tier, Tier via creation.

Why would creation feats scale to durability, though?

There is something called a Universal Energy System.

Anyway, here is my new draft for Genshin's UES

Spoiler

Elemental Power

Elemental Power is the primary type of energy of Genshin Impact, which works as the franchise's Universal Energy System that connects the statistics of every character. The main common source of elemental power of Genshin is Visions that are wielded by mortal allogenes; more powerful sources are the Gnoses that Archons and other god-tier characters equivalent to them wield. It has been consistently shown throughout the game that every action scene involves allogenes battling with each other and drawing elemental power from their respective visions. A prime example is when the Traveller, Aether, fought Childe on one physically and with their elemental powers.

Allogenes in Genshin are not only shown capable of amplifying their powers and abilities using their sources of power but also capable of enhancing their physical strengths and even speed. Deduction in their potency and ability to channel elemental energy dissipates the powers and abilities of an allogene and also weakens their physical statistics such as strength, potency and speed (examples being Traveler losing the power boost of 100 visions and Kazuha losing the power of the electro vision boost).

There have been many occurrences of characters channelling elementary energy throughout their body, and using it to enhance their physical capabilities -- such instances include Childe channelling electro through his body and activating his Foul Legacy, with his new transformation stronger than his base power; Signora transforming into the Crimson Witch while channelling pyro through her physical body, amplifying her statistics beyond her base power; Raiden Shogun significantly amplifying her base speed using her lightning channelling powers; Kazuha activating his friend's electro vision, significantly boosting his strength for him to be capable of physically contending with Raiden Shogun temporarily before the vision deactivates and gets easily knocked back -- hence, shown to be physically outclassed without the vision boost, etc.

Overall, with all of this information listed, Elemental Power is most fittingly qualified as Genshin's Universal Energy System.

@Furina003 Feel free to add this to the OP.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @Planck69 @Dereck03 @Just_a_Random_Butler @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Propellus I've been asked to call staff to this thread. You can review this draft of the Genshin UES summary of mine here and the OP. Thanks for the evaluations.

 

[Furina003]

There is something called a Universal Energy System.

Anyway, here is my new draft for Genshin's UES

Spoiler

Elemental Power

Elemental Power is the primary type of energy of Genshin Impact, which works as the franchise's Universal Energy System that connects the statistics of every character. The main common source of elemental power of Genshin is Visions that are wielded by mortal allogenes; more powerful sources are the Gnoses that Archons and other god-tier characters equivalent to them wield. It has been consistently shown throughout the game that every action scene involves allogenes battling with each other and drawing elemental power from their respective visions. A prime example is when the Traveller, Aether, fought Childe on one physically and with their elemental powers.

Allogenes in Genshin are not only shown capable of amplifying their powers and abilities using their sources of power but also capable of enhancing their physical strengths and even speed. Deduction in their potency and ability to channel elemental energy dissipates the powers and abilities of an allogene and also weakens their physical statistics such as strength, potency and speed (examples being Traveler losing the power boost of 100 visions and Kazuha losing the power of the electro vision boost).

There have been many occurrences of characters channelling elementary energy throughout their body, and using it to enhance their physical capabilities -- such instances include Childe channelling electro through his body and activating his Foul Legacy, with his new transformation stronger than his base power; Signora transforming into the Crimson Witch while channelling pyro through her physical body, amplifying her statistics beyond her base power; Raiden Shogun significantly amplifying her base speed using her lightning channelling powers; Kazuha activating his friend's electro vision, significantly boosting his strength for him to be capable of physically contending with Raiden Shogun temporarily before the vision deactivates and gets easily knocked back -- hence, shown to be physically outclassed without the vision boost, etc.

Overall, with all of this information listed, Elemental Power is most fittingly qualified as Genshin's Universal Energy System.

@Furina003 Feel free to add this to the OP.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @Planck69 @Dereck03 @Just_a_Random_Butler @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Propellus I've been asked to call staff to this thread. You can review this draft of the Genshin UES summary of mine here and the OP. Thanks for the evaluations.

thank you, I really appreciate it and I'll put this in the op

 

[Propellus]

Can someone give me a quick summary?

 

[Furina003]

Can someone give me a quick summary?

in short, hexenzirkle is able to create a space filled with starry skies, this space has been described as a real space as wolfy explains (here), or traveler (here).
because elemental energy is ues, as shown in the OP and the draft that Garrixian made, based on the calculations here, hexenzirkle will get at least 4A level.
Apart from Hexenzirkle, the one who gets scaling is the High God Tier in Genshin Impact. Because elemental power is ues and the hexenzirkle wizard once challenged barbatos to a fight, Diluk also once explained that Alice was the only person besides Barbatos who could rule Golden Apple Island. From this we can conclude that Barbatos has power that is at least equivalent to a Hexenzirkle wizard or vice versa.

 

[Weaver261]

Diluk also once explained that Alice was the only person besides Barbatos who could rule Golden Apple Island

I don't mean to interrupt but you should address that Diluc is talking about only in mondstadt. And your logic of Barbatos upscaling to Alice by this statement is lacking a lot. Alice can do what Barbatos can. That means Alice is as powerful as Barbatos. But there's no statement of Barbatos being as powerful as Alice at all.

 

[Furina003]

I don't mean to interrupt but you should address that Diluc is talking about only in mondstadt. And your logic of Barbatos upscaling to Alice by this statement is lacking a lot. Alice can do what Barbatos can. That means Alice is as powerful as Barbatos. But there's no statement of Barbatos being as powerful as Alice at all.

diluk there using the word "only"

which means that only Barbatos and Alice are capable of doing this, this is a statement that refers to equality in terms of their strength. Why only Monstadt? because Barbatos is the archon of Monstadt

 

[Weaver261]

diluk there using the word "only"

which means that only Barbatos and Alice are capable of doing this, this is a statement that refers to equality in terms of their strength. Why only Monstadt? because Barbatos is the archon of Monstadt

I don't think so....The sentence goes like this
Alice is the only one in all of Mondstadt that could've pull this off.....Well her and that bard (Barbatos).
"in all mondstadt" limited the scope of this meaning. only alice and barbatos can do this mean they both can do the same thing but that doesn't automatically imply they are the same level. You are right if barbatos can do what Alice can. But it will still depends on what Alice will do. But in this case, it's the other way round. Alice can do what Barbatos can. It's like filling a glass of water. A bigger glass can contain the same amount of water at the size of smaller glass but that doesn't necessarily mean smaller glass = bigger glass. I will not press this further since it can derail. I will let mods decide on this but I'm pretty sure Barbatos and other Archons won't upscale to Witches

 

[Furina003]

I don't think so....The sentence goes like this
Alice is the only one in all of Mondstadt that could've pull this off.....Well her and that bard (Barbatos).
"in all mondstadt" limited the scope of this meaning. only alice and barbatos can do this mean they both can do the same thing but that doesn't automatically imply they are the same level. You are right if barbatos can do what Alice can. But it will still depends on what Alice will do. But in this case, it's the other way round. Alice can do what Barbatos can. It's like filling a glass of water. A bigger glass can contain the same amount of water at the size of smaller glass but that doesn't necessarily mean smaller glass = bigger glass. I will not press this further since it can derail. I will let mods decide on this but I'm pretty sure Barbatos and other Archons won't upscale to Witches

that's why I'm showing 2 feats to strengthen this, firstly hexen dares to challenge barbatos to battle, these hexenzirkle are not amateurs, they are strong experienced wizards, they can't possibly challenge archon to fight if they don't have the potential to defeat him, at least Their attack should have an impact on Barbatos so they dared to challenge him to fight.

Secondly, I gave Diluk's statement, which serves to strengthen the first, Diluk juxtaposes Alice and Barbatos on one level, which means they are at least on the same level.
What if Barbatos was the one holding the big glass? That's why I show the first feat so that we can assume that they are of the same level, the glass they are holding is the same size.

I've explained everything I know, so now I can only hand it over to the staff for evaluation

 

[GarrixianXD]

Can someone give me a quick summary?

Wizard creates a pocket reality with a starry sky. The pocket reality is real, just as real as the real world. Wizard challenges Wind God for a fight, therefore both Wizard and Wind God are 4-A; respective characters scaling to Wind God also scale to 4-A, and Wizard pocket reality creation scale to AP because of Universal Energy System explained here.

Some opposition claims that the starry sky is fake and so is the realm itself but there are no blue links in their comments so automatic disqualifier.

Some opposition claim that the creation feat does not scale to AP because no UES, but that is not the case since I explained how it is mostly appropriate for a UES to exist.

Some opposition claim that it is a jump in tier and, therefore an outlier, but this is not the case either. We got Purple Female Thor preserving a pocket reality with a Moon and Wukong Wannabe's dead wife created a pocket reality with a Sun, therefore the scaling is rather consistent; not to mention we also have Albino Girl and her pet Big Chungus Whale creating a black hole.

 

[Aernasilver]

I mean having a UES doesn't automatically scale to their physicals. For example: NNT.

Also what's the timeframe for this realm creation? I looked at the OP and it doesn't give us a timeframe and just assumes it didn't take a long time.

Also also wasn't those black hole rejected for being real black holes?

 

[GarrixianXD]

I mean having a UES doesn't automatically scale to their physicals. For example: NNT.

It does for by default, including creation feats unless stated otherwise. And I do not know what "NNT" means.

Also what's the timeframe for this realm creation? I looked at the OP and it doesn't give us a timeframe and just assumes it didn't take a long time.

Also also wasn't those black hole rejected for being real black holes?

Iirc there was a thorough discussion with the calculation group about the black holes being actually legit, and it turns out it was accepted to be a real black hole. Iirc, those realms were created by casting spells simply with a quill pen, it shouldn't be too absurd to move on with a reasonable short timeframe.

 

[Planck69]

I mean having a UES doesn't automatically scale to their physicals. For example: NNT.

It actually does, assuming its a proper UES.

There is something called a Universal Energy System.

Anyway, here is my new draft for Genshin's UES

Spoiler

Elemental Power

Elemental Power is the primary type of energy of Genshin Impact, which works as the franchise's Universal Energy System that connects the statistics of every character. The main common source of elemental power of Genshin is Visions that are wielded by mortal allogenes; more powerful sources are the Gnoses that Archons and other god-tier characters equivalent to them wield. It has been consistently shown throughout the game that every action scene involves allogenes battling with each other and drawing elemental power from their respective visions. A prime example is when the Traveller, Aether, fought Childe on one physically and with their elemental powers.

Allogenes in Genshin are not only shown capable of amplifying their powers and abilities using their sources of power but also capable of enhancing their physical strengths and even speed. Deduction in their potency and ability to channel elemental energy dissipates the powers and abilities of an allogene and also weakens their physical statistics such as strength, potency and speed (examples being Traveler losing the power boost of 100 visions and Kazuha losing the power of the electro vision boost).

There have been many occurrences of characters channelling elementary energy throughout their body, and using it to enhance their physical capabilities -- such instances include Childe channelling electro through his body and activating his Foul Legacy, with his new transformation stronger than his base power; Signora transforming into the Crimson Witch while channelling pyro through her physical body, amplifying her statistics beyond her base power; Raiden Shogun significantly amplifying her base speed using her lightning channelling powers; Kazuha activating his friend's electro vision, significantly boosting his strength for him to be capable of physically contending with Raiden Shogun temporarily before the vision deactivates and gets easily knocked back -- hence, shown to be physically outclassed without the vision boost, etc.

Overall, with all of this information listed, Elemental Power is most fittingly qualified as Genshin's Universal Energy System.

@Furina003 Feel free to add this to the OP.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @Planck69 @Dereck03 @Just_a_Random_Butler @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Propellus I've been asked to call staff to this thread. You can review this draft of the Genshin UES summary of mine here and the OP. Thanks for the evaluations.

Hmmm. This seems fine to me as a UES for now.

 

[Aernasilver]

Nope. According to the Creation Feats page its just an added requirement to scale.

First you need to prove it was made in a reasonably short timeframe, need proof that the witch can channel the same amount of energy in her attacks as she did when she created the realm.

NNT = Nanatsu no Taizai.

Also that thread for the black holes had 2 calc members disagree so where did it say it was real?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Also that thread for the black holes had 2 calc members disagree so where did it say it was real?

Genshin impact BlackHole feat upgrade?

This is going to be the most controversal upgrade in my life for now (god help me) Hoyoverse games have been eating too good (Hi3 is 1-B and hsr is 4-A and 1-B with aeons) But im going to feed the middle child and this middle child is known as Genshin Impact INTRODUCTION This entire upgrade is...

vsbattles.com

It's already posted on profiles if you haven't noticed.

 

[Aernasilver]

Genshin impact BlackHole feat upgrade?

This is going to be the most controversal upgrade in my life for now (god help me) Hoyoverse games have been eating too good (Hi3 is 1-B and hsr is 4-A and 1-B with aeons) But im going to feed the middle child and this middle child is known as Genshin Impact INTRODUCTION This entire upgrade is...

vsbattles.com

It's already posted on profiles if you haven't noticed.

Genshin Impact Black Hole Problem

Hello. There is an issue with Skirk and Narwhal's black holes. 1) Narwhal's black hole can be physically destroyed which is impossible stating from this page. And yes its physically because The Traveler uses their sword all the time. 2) Inside the Narhwhal's body there is a black hole held by...

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?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Genshin Impact Black Hole Problem

Hello. There is an issue with Skirk and Narwhal's black holes. 1) Narwhal's black hole can be physically destroyed which is impossible stating from this page. And yes its physically because The Traveler uses their sword all the time. 2) Inside the Narhwhal's body there is a black hole held by...

vsbattles.com

?

That CRT isn't concluded.

 

[Aernasilver]

Aight I'll bump it since this is derailing.

 

[Le'garde273]

Why is there even need debating UES and timeframe straight up 4 pages to begin with? Even though the op and garrixian seem provide proof enough about them.

The main reason why it's should be scale to their stat at first is. The witches or "the goddess" which in this case was barbeloth the one who created the entire realm is, have full the authority over the realm. She is strong enough at the point she have dominion over the starry sky and able to spin the entire sky and earth itself. Ues thing should be the second priority.

There are reason why they're called as nigh-omnipotent witch, that even dare to declare war even to the archon itself.

 

[Propellus]

in short, hexenzirkle is able to create a space filled with starry skies, this space has been described as a real space as wolfy explains (here), or traveler (here).
because elemental energy is ues, as shown in the OP and the draft that Garrixian made, based on the calculations here, hexenzirkle will get at least 4A level.
Apart from Hexenzirkle, the one who gets scaling is the High God Tier in Genshin Impact. Because elemental power is ues and the hexenzirkle wizard once challenged barbatos to a fight, Diluk also once explained that Alice was the only person besides Barbatos who could rule Golden Apple Island. From this we can conclude that Barbatos has power that is at least equivalent to a Hexenzirkle wizard or vice versa.

Wizard creates a pocket reality with a starry sky. The pocket reality is real, just as real as the real world. Wizard challenges Wind God for a fight, therefore both Wizard and Wind God are 4-A; respective characters scaling to Wind God also scale to 4-A, and Wizard pocket reality creation scale to AP because of Universal Energy System explained here.

Some opposition claims that the starry sky is fake and so is the realm itself but there are no blue links in their comments so automatic disqualifier.

Some opposition claim that the creation feat does not scale to AP because no UES, but that is not the case since I explained how it is mostly appropriate for a UES to exist.

Some opposition claim that it is a jump in tier and, therefore an outlier, but this is not the case either. We got Purple Female Thor preserving a pocket reality with a Moon and Wukong Wannabe's dead wife created a pocket reality with a Sun, therefore the scaling is rather consistent; not to mention we also have Albino Girl and her pet Big Chungus Whale creating a black hole.

I guess it should be fine then based on these informations if the UES does seem to stand out.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This looks solid to me.

 

[Dereck03]

I guess it should be fine then based on these informations if the UES does seem to stand out.

Same here.

 

[Weaver261]

Here it's said the clouds are not real. They are just product of adepti art used for spatial partitioning. With that context, the sun could also be not real.

Edited - One of the realm layout in Teapot is described as such "being inside teapot and all, the highest mountain probably reaches no higher than the stalk of a tea leaf"
Madam Ping who is an adepti stated that creating realm inside teapot nothing amazing. But the real exercise of power is like Rex Lapis(Geo archon) moving mountain and sea. Combining these two statements with clouds not being real, subspace creation is probably on smaller scale. That's why I think 4-A for subspace creation is not good.
Ei's Plane of Euthymia is also inside her sword and her inner mind world which functions the same as realm made up of imagination inside teapot.

 

[Elizhaa]

The proposals for Universal Energy System and tiers seem fine from the evidence.

 

[Saqphire]

Four admins including Garrixian agreeing to this, so how do we apply the scaling? The 48 hour grace had already went up by the time Elizhaa agreed

 

[Weaver261]

Here it's said the clouds are not real. They are just product of adepti art used for spatial partitioning. With that context, the sun could also be not real.

Edited - One of the realm layout in Teapot is described as such "being inside teapot and all, the highest mountain probably reaches no higher than the stalk of a tea leaf"
Madam Ping who is an adepti stated that creating realm inside teapot nothing amazing. But the real exercise of power is like Rex Lapis(Geo archon) moving mountain and sea. Combining these two statements with clouds not being real, subspace creation is probably on smaller scale. That's why I think 4-A for subspace creation is not good.
Ei's Plane of Euthymia is also inside her sword and her inner mind world which functions the same as realm made up of imagination inside teapot.

If possible, please debunk this before applying changes.