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Well at the very least, everyone should be Large Building, we can iron out the higher tier fighters in the future
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1. Well, we do know that Eula and Jean are relatively on par, so Jean would logically scale. Traveler would scale to Eula through fighting Susbedo. Traveler can be applied to basically all of the other character he's fought like in Sumeru.
- How are we going to handle the speed of everyone? Will they be able to reduce it to supersonic level?
- Is there anyone who scales with Lisa's 7-C level? For example, could it be Diluc?
- Lisa still have MHS+ attack speed, right?
- et cetera
Does that really work though?1. Well, we do know that Eula and Jean are relatively on par, so Jean would logically scale. Traveler would scale to Eula through fighting Susbedo. Traveler can be applied to basically all of the other character he's fought like in Sumeru.
Definitely Inazuma Traveler, it's well before Sumeru and he's well acquainted with Itto by thenI also took the liberty of calculating the Ruin Serpent, I also want to calc its whirlpool attack. This would likely scale to Inazuma traveler depending on when the Chasm exploration takes place
I was actually wondering if we should arrange quests either by update addition or by Archon Quest requirement. Because technically the mission where you canonically fight the worm doesn't require you to go to Inazuma, and plenty other event quests seem to be in a vacuum from the main storyline.Definitely Inazuma Traveler, it's well before Sumeru and he's well acquainted with Itto by then
This was in reference to speed, not AP. Plus, I think much of what you're saying is conjecture as opposed to any solid facts that the fight shows.Does that really work though?
Eula shattered Susbedo's blade in One hit while Traveler was getting pressed and Susbedo didn't seem to have much difficulty against him.
Same, but the update additions don't seem to back track, as far is I've noticed Atleast so I think it's alright using them bothI was actually wondering if we should arrange quests either by update addition or by Archon Quest requirement.
Because it doesn't relate to anyone from Inazuma and it happens in a World Quest tied to the Chasm, unlike the Event Quest that has you meeting IttoBecause technically the mission where you canonically fight the worm doesn't require you to go to Inazuma,
Trueand plenty other event quests seem to be in a vacuum from the main storyline.
Eula does shatter his blade.This was in reference to speed, not AP. Plus, I think much of what you're saying is conjecture as opposed to any solid facts that the fight shows.
It has been done already earlier this thread, it got 8-CShouldn't we calc the Itto punches a rock thingy?
so basically "At least High 8C, possibly far higher"?I mean they'd still be High 8-C just vastly upscaled from Susbedo's ice given a healthy amount of characters scale to it, including Albedo, Post-Liyue Traveler, and Eula for example.
I'll work on the Guhua thing as well as find some other feats that can work. But hopefully everyone is in agreement with no.1?
P.S. What's stopping us from using stuff like fireball calcs for certain characters? As far as I am aware, DnD uses calcs like these and it might be useful for some particular characters
They still scale relative to each other≥ is not the same thing as =
Doesn't Razor's story quest occur before the Liyue plotline?
If so that's Mondstadt Traveler not Liyue
Naito has already addressed the Guhua scaling so no need for me to speak on that.
Traveler doesn't gain any significant, clear buffs besides resonating with new elementsI think also that we should strictly define what we mean by Mondstadt/Liyue/Inazuma Traveler. The division made sense when the transition from Mondstadt to Liyue was practically seamless. But with Inazuma, the experience now varies.
If I was a player who played since launch for example, it'd be Mondstadt > Liyue > Transition/Interlude > Inazuma > Jade Chamber > Chasm > Sumeru
But if you started playing only recently, you actually have the option to do Jade Chamber and the Chasm before going to Inazuma. Making this distinction is important in the future because it lets us divide feats properly for quests with important feats that could go either way for which traveler key they belong to.
It's been discussed on discord and I've posted the thread, but my posts are always quiet and not busyWhy don't we scale Inazuma Traveler to Raiden again?
I already claimed this before this thread was made, but they claim that the shogun doesn't use 6C scale attack power on traveler or kazuha ( Low ball issue ) and this is happen not only on discordInazuma Traveler is 6-C lol for standing hus ground against Makoto possessed Ei.
Even if that the case, we can still downscale him yo Raiden. And doesn't we equalize normal attack to AP? Even if they're holding back?I already claimed this before this thread was made, but they claim that the shogun doesn't use 6C scale attack power on traveler or kazuha ( Low ball issue ) and this is happen not only on discord
and this is the argument they say
• Traveler does that in dimension only
• Raiden ei only succumbs in battle if only what the traveler is fighting is the shogun (puppet) the traveler might already be dead
• Raiden doesn't issue 6C scale attack power
• Raiden held back
And yeah this is what they say
Do you see? sorry if my grammar bad
Iam already say thisEven if that the case, we can still downscale him yo Raiden. And doesn't we equalize normal attack to AP? Even if they're holding back?
I will support you on this matter.Iam already say this
I won the debate but to be honest they were still dissaagreed even though they had lost during the debate
My problem with scaling to Raiden is that we got slapped so hard in that fight with so little damage to Raiden in-story that it feels wrong to do it. Without the gameplay fight that was purely for engagement, we'd probably get bitchslapped even harder than that one cutscene suggests. Even with the hundreds of vision power-up we didn't even hurt Raiden, she just decided to give up. I'm going a hard no on 6-C Traveler until more evidence is shown, perhaps in this next Nahida story quest.
This is downscaling bruh, we even do this many times in another verse. Cough Black Clover coughMy stance on Traveler scaling to Raiden is that it would fuckup the scaling way too much and doesn't make any sense when we clearly didn't really do anything to Raiden damage wise.
You sure?Traveler doesn't gain any significant, clear buffs besides resonating with new elements
Cause Anemo Traveler gets overpowered and held down by 2 Fatui Agents at the end of the Mond Quest.Any other power-ups can't exactly be proven due to how few feats Genshin actually gives their characters
I saidYou sure?
Cause Anemo Traveler gets overpowered and held down by 2 Fatui Agents at the end of the Mond Quest.
And Traveler who was likely weaker than Venti then who struggled to resist Signora's restraint although people say he was holding back so ignore this maybe
Geo Traveler can stalemate Childe the 11th Harbinger
And Electro Traveler can beat Signora the 8th Harbinger solo fair and square
I can't really say anything about the Shouki no Kami fight tho, a lot of bullshitery occured there
Does Sara's lightning scale to anyone?I still have a problem with the way Genshin simultaneously wants the Traveler to be this god-fighting character while still pretending that anything that comes our way in smaller events is still somehow a threat.
Anyway, I think we're getting off-track. I want this to reach a conclusion given the issue of this thread started with questioning Genshin characters being at low 7-B and 7-B, which I still think is pretty valid, and should be changed regardless of the intricacies of the new one. If anyone is taking issue with the new ratings post-change, then they can make a new thread to dispute it.