Shinza Banshou 5-A downgrade for Wilhelm, Commanders and Reinhard

[Infera28]

Or this one?

Attack Potency: Varies, Small Planet level (A single night's mystery requires the destruction of half the planet) to At least Large Planet level (Methuselah can create Jaws of Darkness with a density of a hundred nights), possibly far higher (Methuselah can separate 500,000 nights from himself to stop Machina, and his "ace" attack was stopped before its full power was showcased) with his Arcane. At least Universe level+, possibly Multiverse level+ upon vanishing via Environmental Destruction (If he were to vanish, it would destroy all of darkness and damage the worldly order, creating a void of nothingness that would destroy "all of creation". Due to Mercurius taking the Throne, the previous creation which comprised of only a single universe was changed into a creation that consists of parallel universes, which is confirmed to be infinite in both the novel and by Masada himself), can bypass durability in many ways

 

[QuasiYuri]

Or this one?

Attack Potency: Varies, Small Planet level (A single night's mystery requires the destruction of half the planet) to At least Large Planet level (Methuselah can create Jaws of Darkness with a density of a hundred nights), possibly far higher (Methuselah can separate 500,000 nights from himself to stop Machina, and his "ace" attack was stopped before its full power was showcased) with his Arcane. At least Universe level+, possibly Multiverse level+ upon vanishing via Environmental Destruction (If he were to vanish, it would destroy all of darkness and damage the worldly order, creating a void of nothingness that would destroy "all of creation". Due to Mercurius taking the Throne, the previous creation which comprised of only a single universe was changed into a creation that consists of parallel universes, which is confirmed to be infinite in both the novel and by Masada himself), can bypass durability in many ways

This.

 

[Infera28]

Should we ping moderators?

 

[Chasekilleen]

That 2A Methuselah gives me PTSD lol.
What do we do with Machina? I have not read Ikabey quite a while now but isn't Machina stated to be able to kill our n-word bypasser boy because of his unique trait??

 

[QuasiYuri]

That 2A Methuselah gives me PTSD lol.
What do we do with Machina? I have not read Ikabey quite a while now but isn't Machina stated to be able to kill our n-word bypasser boy because of his unique trait??

It's still treated as hax iirc.

 

[Tarang123]

It's still treated as hax iirc.

Tbf, he should still have the 2A key (tho, 5A makes more sense)

 

[PrinceofPein]

Tbf, he should still have the 2A key (tho, 5A makes more sense)

something like "Varies Up to 2A via Existence Erasure"

 

[QuasiYuri]

Tbf, he should still have the 2A key (tho, 5A makes more sense)

It really doesn't. Machina's EE doesn't scale to his actual AP.

 

[Tarang123]

It really doesn't. Machina's EE doesn't scale to his actual AP.

Doesn’t matter. He’d have the key based on hax, which should be specified.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Doesn’t matter. He’d have the key based on hax, which should be specified.

Doesn't work like that. You don't get universal AP because your hax killed a 3-A dude.

 

[Tarang123]

Doesn't work like that. You don't get universal AP because your hax killed a 3-A dude.

My point was that he could either have a 5A rating via hax or his profile should mention that he can affect beings on that level.

 

[Infera28]

@Elizhaa @Ogbunabali

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@Elizhaa @Ogbunabali

You can't tag call since you're just a normal user and not a staff

 

[Infera28]

You can't tag call since you're just a normal user and not a staff

Oh ok.

 

[Elizhaa]

So we have to remove 5-A for Wilhelm and the Commanders.

The proposals seem fine. I guess Reinhard's and Methuselah's 5-A justifications should also be updated since used Wilhelm and the Commanders as justifications.

 

[azontr]

The proposals seem fine. I guess Reinhard's and Methuselah's 5-A justifications should also be updated since used Wilhelm and the Commanders as justifications.

Reinhard is losing his 5-A and just getting a 3-A key if I remember correctly.

 

[Infera28]

Reinhard is losing his 5-A and just getting a 3-A key if I remember correctly.

Reinhard must also lose the 5-A key and his justification for 5-A is completely wrong. But this thread was not for Reinhard, so I do not know if we should remove his key or just change the Reinhard Justification for now?

 

[Tarang123]

Reinhard must also lose the 5-A key and his justification for 5-A is completely wrong. But this thread was not for Reinhard, so I do not know if we should remove his key or just change the Reinhard Justification for now?

Ngl, but I never understood why Reinhard even had the 3A key in the first place. Could someone send explain it?

 

[azontr]

Ngl, but I never understood why Reinhard even had the 3A key in the first place. Could someone send explain it?

It's because of the statement of Methuselah not being able to beat Reinhard even with novemdecillions of nights. Novemdecillion has like 60 zeroes.

 

[Tarang123]

It's because of the statement of Methuselah not being able to beat Reinhard even with novemdecillions of nights. Novemdecillion has like 60 zeroes.

Oh...how many planets are in the universe, again?

 

[Tarang123]

It's because of the statement of Methuselah not being able to beat Reinhard even with novemdecillions of nights. Novemdecillion has like 60 zeroes.

That's pretty high into 3A, but still probably not the best reasoning for it...just my opinion of course.

 

[azontr]

Oh...how many planets are in the universe, again?

10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets. So, not novemdecillion lol.

 

[Tarang123]

10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets. So, not novemdecillion lol.

huh...shit. That's...fairly op...ig lol

 

[Elizhaa]

Reinhard must also lose the 5-A key and his justification for 5-A is completely wrong. But this thread was not for Reinhard, so I do not know if we should remove his key or just change the Reinhard Justification for now?

I don't mind the changes if it's accurate; though I am not knowledgeable on the verse. The OP should be probably be updated to limit confusion. @QuasiYuri what do you think?

 

[QuasiYuri]

I don't mind the changes if it's accurate; though I am not knowledgeable on the verse. The OP should be probably be updated to limit confusion. @QuasiYuri what do you think?

I think it should be good. The only reason he has 5-A is scaling above commanders, which is meaningless here.

 

[Infera28]

I don't mind the changes if it's accurate; though I am not knowledgeable on the verse. The OP should be probably be updated to limit confusion. @QuasiYuri what do you think?

Thanks for input. I updated it and I don't think there is any reason to keep 5-A for Reinhard. Can you open pages for changes?

 

[Elizhaa]

I think it should be good. The only reason he has 5-A is scaling above commanders, which is meaningless here.

Got it; the changes seem fine, then.

Thanks for input. I updated it and I don't think there is any reason to keep 5-A for Reinhard. Can you open pages for changes?

I unlocked the pages.

If one is making the edits please follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page and don't forget to link the CRT in the Editing Summary Box.

 

[Infera28]

I unlocked the pages.

If one is making the edits please follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page and don't forget to link the CRT in the Editing Summary Box.

Reinhard Heydrich is still locked.

 

[Elizhaa]

My bad; I unlocked the page.

 

[Infera28]

I'm done. But before closing the profiles, I will be happy if @QuasiYuri can check them and see if they have any problems.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Everything seems fine to me. Whilhelm could get a "at least" but the way it is can work too.

 

[Infera28]

Alright. I added "At least" to Legion Empowered key.

@Elizhaa I think now you can lock profiles and this thread.

 

[Infera28]

Btw Wilhelm's last key in the Tier section is miswritten as Higher 1-B. Please change it to 1-B if possible.

 

[Elizhaa]

I fixed the tier for Wilhelm's last key. I locked the pages and I will lock the thread.