Masada Commanders Re-Upgrade because the downgrade was nonsense

[PrinceofPein]

I am only learning towards agreement due to this btw

His scale was too vast, his history too dense-- Meaning that Schreiber severely lacked the firepower to damage him.
Even so, by no means did that make it fair to assume that Schreiber was weak.
A single night was as large as half the world, and Methuselah has accumulated a countless number of them.
No matter how quick the fang, there was a limit to the area it could tear. Thus, indeed, there was no denying that Albedo's attacks were akin to an ant's to him.

Yes OP is right he was making damage but not relevant due to his regeneration and durability, although the damage he was making can't really be quantified but it was said that he was making a tear.

The only 3-A thing Methuselah has is durability lol.

Oh well missed that, but yeah that's solid too

 

[Infera28]

I am only learning towards agreement due to this btw

Yes OP is right he was making damage but not relevant due to his regeneration and durability, although the damage he was making can't really be quantified but it was said that he was making a tear.

Oh well missed that, but yeah that's solid too

Agreeing with what?

The only reason 5-A existed was because we thought the characters could destroy 5-A Jaws of Darkness.

The unquantified and infinitesimal damage that Wolfgang inflicted on Methuselah's avatar is not equal to the destruction of the Jaws of Darkness. So we can not give 5-A to them.

 

[Overlord775]

The reason Wilhelm, commanders and Ren were 5-A was because of the Jaws of Darkness, which is a combination of 100 Nights. It was never said that the commanders destroyed the Jaws of Darkness or even number of nights.

TBH, more leaning towards Low 5-B at the moment

Methuselah easily reflected the attack of Gladsheim, which is stronger than all the commanders

The castle's defences are operated by Isaak, so i wouldn't assume the attack as automatically stronger than the commanders

and Methuselah was only testing his own power

even the jaws of darkness can very much be considered only a test considering they are only 100 nights while he casually used 1400 years worth of to imprison Machina

and he also reflected Eleonore's attack, who is one of the commanders. In fact, Methuselah was stomping everyone and he even got tired of them and asked their leader Reinhard to come forward and fight him.

i mean, yeah, obviously, the non-commanders litterally couldn't do anything and the commanders couldn't make lethal wounds

Also note how the commanders weren't instantly overwealmed by the jaws, which you know, would have happened if they were only 7-A

And it was not even Methuselah's whole being, but a humanoid avatar created by using Ludvig. Methuselah's whole being is all darkness in existence and far larger. It was basically only a infinitesimal drop of ocean.

Nothing here is to scale to his full durability, so it doesn't matter

Wolfgang left a very small number of wounds on Avatar body, and the wounds were so small that an ant could fit in them. It was stated that Wolfgang severely lacked the firepower to damage him, so he wasn't even damaging him but making infinitesimal gapes.

You are taking it out of context, Wolfgang punched a hole through him and shredded his body, the wounds being small is a methaporical thing because of his sheer amount of nights

And Methuselah's whole being is made of the Novemdecillions nights, so the wounds could only be on one of the nights not all nights.

A single night has the density of half the world, so it would be Low 5-B even if only a single night was destroyed per hit

The image you sent for "hole on the chest" was also a time when Wolfgang had not yet used Ber'ah and could not even affect the concept of darkness and only slightly disturbed the scientific darkness.

Nope, he litterally had just activated it before the attack

In fact, 5-A and 3-A Methuselah does not make sense either, and I will Downgrade them soon.

E

Not only did she have no proof that it could work, but she would also kill all her comrades.

Eleonore also uses fire, which is an anti-darkness element, so you can't scale it to anything.

that's not Eleonore speaking there, that's the omniscient narrator

also of course it would, commanders are leagues above normal legionaries

Lastly, in that scan it is said light and dark are equivalent, not one being stronger over the other, as shown a bit later by Beatrice's lightning being instantly overwhelmed by the jaws, an equivalent amount of light is needed.

Also while this isn't a very liked argument or term to use, I think a jump of more than 6 tier for very barely affecting a guy would have qualified as an Outlier to begin with.

iirc Masada has put the Commanders on the same power league as the Paradise Lost gang in the Pantheon rankings, who have High 6-A feats

 

[Tarang123]

Technically speaking it is as insignifiant as me punching the ground, technically damaging a veeeery small portion of the planet, yet still being a random human.

That’s…an interesting way of putting things. However, just think about it, if you were able to make a wound on a guy the size of the entire universe, even if it was so small that an ant couldn’t crawl through in comparison, it’d still scale massively high.

 

[QuasiYuri]

The castle's defences are operated by Isaak, so i wouldn't assume the attack as automatically stronger than the commanders

It definitely is. Isaak is basically a pseudo-Aziluth merged with Glad after all.

Also note how the commanders weren't instantly overwealmed by the jaws, which you know, would have happened if they were only 7-A.

Imo it's just common anta not one shotting everyone despite being leagues above them.
Beatrice didn't instantly died to them for instance.

iirc Masada has put the Commanders on the same power league as the Paradise Lost gang in the Pantheon rankings, who have High 6-A feats

PL dudes are above the Commanders in his ranking.

 

[Infera28]

The castle's defences are operated by Isaak, so i wouldn't assume the attack as automatically stronger than the commanders

Blast was fired from Gladsheim and Methuselah reflected it. Gladsheim has millions of souls and each commander has about 180k souls in Dies Irae AA and lower in Interview with Kaziklu Bey. It even was stated that Castle metaphorically has infinite souls, so commanders are nothing against it.

Also note how the commanders weren't instantly overwealmed by the jaws

Jaws attacked Beatrice and instantly overpowered her, turned off her lightning and began to eat her body and Eleonore was barely defending the legion with anti-darkness fire and reducing the damage of the darkness, we do not even know if she was reducing the damage of the Jaws of Darkness or other dark attacks too. No one was able to tank jaws or destroy them.

A single night has the density of half the world, so it would be Low 5-B even if only a single night was destroyed per hit

We do not know how many nights or darkness were affected by Wolfgang and how strong the wounds, which were infinitesimal, were. So this is unquantified. There is no evidence that commanders can destroy a night with one blow.

Also nights are not 5-B but let's leave it for another thread.

Nope, he litterally had just activated it before the attack

And then the next wounds he inflicted were so small that an ant could fit in them, so it makes sense to say that the hole in Methuselah's chest was the same size. Because we have no other criteria to calculate size.

that's not Eleonore speaking there, that's the omniscient narrator

also of course it would, commanders are leagues above normal legionaries

Lastly, in that scan it is said light and dark are equivalent, not one being stronger over the other, as shown a bit later by Beatrice's lightning being instantly overwhelmed by the jaws.

The meaning of the image was that darkness and light are two sides of the same coin, and the more light there is, the deeper the darkness, not that they have the same power. Only same depth.

In fact, it was said that Methuselah found himself powerless against the light and this was said again later.

It was also said that darkness could not reach something that shone bright enough and the only reason this happened was that Beatrice's light was much lesser and dimmer than the darkness of Methuselah's attacks and you can not remove the darkness of a cave with a light bulb.

So Yeah Light > Darkness.

 

[Infera28]

By the way, even if I say that every night is equal to half of the earth, making holes the size of an ant in half of the earth is not 5-B.

I'm also sure that 7-A characters can damage half the density of the earth as much as an ant too.

 

[Overlord775]

It definitely is. Isaak is basically a pseudo-Aziluth merged with Glad after all.

Glad was also demolished by a Briah, so i wouldn't call it impossibly above the commanders

Blast was fired from Gladsheim and Methuselah reflected it. Gladsheim has millions of souls and each commander has about 180k souls in Dies Irae AA and lower in Interview with Kaziklu Bey. It even was stated that Castle metaphorically has infinite souls, so commanders are nothing against it.

Doesn't really matter considering the amount of souls in Glad isn't the same as the ones usable for attacks

All commander hve direct access to Glad's soul stock, they just have a limit to how many they can use at once

Imo it's just common anta not one shotting everyone despite being leagues above them.
Beatrice didn't instantly died to them for instance.

Beatrice only survived there because she dodged, her arm was ripped off and it was pretty plainly stated that a direct hit would have outright killed her

PL dudes are above the Commanders in his ranking.

"5. Machina, Eleonore, Schreiber, Lot, Ryuumei."

Jaws attacked Beatrice and instantly overpowered her, turned off her lightning and began to eat her body and Eleonore was barely defending the legion with anti-darkness fire and reducing the damage of the darkness, we do not even know if she was reducing the damage of the Jaws of Darkness or other dark attacks too. No one was able to tank jaws or destroy them.

Eleonore >>> Beatrice

also barely defending is still, well, defending

We do not know how many nights or darkness were affected by Wolfgang and how strong the wounds, which were infinitesimal, were. So this is unquantified. There is no evidence that commanders can destroy a night with one blow.

The litteral fact that Methusela is being ripped up and the omniscient narrator is commenting that damage is being done, shows that nights are clearly being destroyed

Also nights are not 5-B but let's leave it for another thread.

not the time or place for that

And then the next wounds he inflicted were so small that an ant could fit in them, so it makes sense to say that the hole in Methuselah's chest was the same size. Because we have no other criteria to calculate size.

That's litteral headcanon, Wolfgang punched through his chest, there's no denying that

also he gouged, cleaved and tore apart his body

The meaning of the image was that darkness and light are two sides of the same coin, and the more light there is, the deeper the darkness, not that they have the same power. Only same depth.

The two sides of a same coin are by definition equals

In fact, it was said that Methuselah found himself powerless against the light and this was said again later

No, that's specifically because of Claudia, not all light in general

It was also said that darkness could not reach something that shone bright enough and the only reason this happened was that Beatrice's light was much lesser and dimmer than the darkness of Methuselah's attacks and you can not remove the darkness of a cave with a light bulb.

So Yeah Light >>> Darkness.

Equal light to the darkness can repell it, equilevancy, there's litterally nothing implying superiority here.

 

[Tarang123]

Glad was also demolished by a Briah, so i wouldn't call it impossibly above the commanders

This one was already explained in the series. It was because of Scherzo's ability to kill the dead. They even pointed out that the craving by itself is puny and inconsequential. It was just a matter of compatibility

 

[Infera28]

Glad was also demolished by a Briah, so i wouldn't call it impossibly above the commanders

It was a weakened and collapsing Gladsheim and Ren used an Anti-Death Briah.

Doesn't really matter considering the amount of souls in Glad isn't the same as the ones usable for attacks

All commander hve direct access to Glad's soul stock, they just have a limit to how many they can use at once

At least Read novel before revising it

Gladsheim's attack collapsed itself, and Gladsheim is made up of millions of souls. Also In all Dies Irae fights, those who had far more souls than others always one shotted them. The Gladsheim attack could also have evaporated a country, and such power was never stated or implied for commanders.

They do not have such access, Reinhard granted that access temporarily to Wilhelm. Nice fan fiction tho.

"5. Machina, Eleonore, Schreiber, Lot, Ryuumei."

Being in same rank does not mean same level of power, the power of the seven demon kings was much more than PL dudes and they are in the same rank, and the power of The Yatsukahagi is not like other people on the rank. It just means that their power is one rank higher than the previous rank. In fact, even memebers of the seven demon kings have different AP, same for members of The Yatsukahagi.

Eleonore >>> Beatrice

also barely defending is still, well, defending

I never said that they are relative.

Using fire that is anti-darkness against an unknown amount of the unknown kind of dark attacks doesn't mean you are 5-B.

The litteral fact that Methusela is being ripped up and the omniscient narrator is commenting that damage is being done, shows that nights are clearly being destroyed

And the result was wounds equal to the wounds caused by an ant.

not the time or place for that

So do not participate in that thread, I can not start a new revision in your revision thread.

That's litteral headcanon, Wolfgang punched through him, there's no denying that

also he gouged, cleaved and tore apart his body

And the result was wounds equal to the wounds caused by an ant. Damage given to us was "as much as a ant", we can't use your headcanon and increase it.

It was also Methuselah's humanoid form, only a fraction of him.

Even a 7-A character can damage half the density of the earth as much as an ant too. And we can not even quantify how much of darkness and the nights were damaged by Wolfgang. Feat is completely unquantified and outlier.

No, that's specifically because of Claudia, not all light in general

According to Methuselah, the reason for his powerlessness against Claudia was that she was light itself.

But i would never give you such orders and, in fact, i'm incapale of doing so.
You are light after, all.
All those of the dark are powerless before you.

The light, the peerless sun - he's defined Claudia as such, and that interrelation became permament.

He was weak against Claudia because he defined Claudia as light.

Also, before Methuselah even met Claudia, Claudia easily destroyed his darkness.

The two sides of a coin do not mean absolute equality in everything, and this was debunked in the story. They only had same depth.

 

[PrinceofPein]

By the way, even if I say that every night is equal to half of the earth, making holes the size of an ant in half of the earth is not 5-B.

I'm also sure that 7-A characters can damage half the density of the earth as much as an ant too.

Wolf was not trying to damage a single night tho, he was trying to tear through a countless collection of them.

 

[Tarang123]

By the way, even if I say that every night is equal to half of the earth, making holes the size of an ant in half of the earth is not 5-B.

I'm also sure that 7-A characters can damage half the density of the earth as much as an ant too.

Issue is, this would only apply if Schreiber was attacking a single night. Schreiber was attacking a guy with a novemdecillion number of nights. Even a hole that an ant cannot crawl through is quite easily planetary if not much MUCH higher if you know just how big such a feat actually is.

 

[Infera28]

It was not Methuselah / Darkness whole being, but his humanoid form. If you read the messages I send in the thread, I do not have to repeat everything ten more times.

And it was not even Methuselah's whole being, but a humanoid avatar created by using Ludvig. Methuselah's whole being is all darkness in existence and far larger. It was basically only a infinitesimal drop of ocean.

They were only fightning against Ludvig not all darkness in existence, that would be formless and as big as universe or multiverse, not some human standing in sky and using incantations and punches against LDO. A Single night is as big as half of the planet after all.

The human form of Methuselah is made up of an unknown amount of darkness and night, and we do not know enough power to damage it as much as an ant too. It is completely unquantified and can be either 7-A or 3-B or 3-A, we don't know. 5-B is pure headcanon.

Even damaging Methuselah's whole being is a big outlier, it is jumping from 7-A to 3-A. Of course, I'm sure a 7-A can hurt a 3-A as much as an ant too. I can literally punch the ground and tecnically damage the planet. A ant can also damage my finger, that doesn't make ant anywhere as powerful as my finger.

This image also reiterated that Wolfgang could not have damaged Methuselah

And in this previously posted image, it was said that Wolfgang severely lacked firepower to damage Methuselah

IT WAS SAID TWICE IN TWO DIFFERENT INSTANCES that Wolfgang could not damage him, so it seems more that those "wounds" were not even wounds in the true sense of the word, but only a disturbance in the darkness or some infinitesimal gapes at best.

 

[Infera28]

Anyway Ren Fujii in this profile by mistake is still 5-A, so we have to edit it to 7-A.

 

[Overlord775]

Procastination.jpg

At least Read novel before revising it

Think about your own reading before calling others

Gladsheim's attack collapsed itself, and Gladsheim is made up of millions of souls.

Also In all Dies Irae fights, those who had far more souls than others always one shotted them. The Gladsheim attack could also have evaporated a country, and such power was never stated or implied for commanders.

and Ludwig used attack reflection against it, so doesn't matter

They do not have such access, Reinhard granted that access temporarily to Wilhelm. Nice fan fiction tho.

He litterally says it is the same an what the Einhard have, you absolute buffon

Being in same rank does not mean same level of power, the power of the seven demon kings was much more than PL dudes and they are in the same rank, and the power of The Yatsukahagi is not like other people on the rank. It just means that their power is one rank higher than the previous rank. In fact, even members of the seven demon kings have different AP, same for members of The Yatsukahagi.

Ah yes, "power tiers" doesn't mean levels of power, very bright logic there

Anyway, Tier 6 seems to more be for characters who have direct God-level sheningans (Methuselah being an inherent part of Merc's world, the Tenmas being pseudo-gods with their own laws, the fallen angels getting power from the abyss and the demon lords being able to mess with Mythra's law with the Power of Ego)

the rest is just straight forward power

And the result was wounds equal to the wounds caused by an ant.


And the result was wounds equal to the wounds caused by an ant. Damage given to us was "as much as a ant", we can't use your headcanon and increase it.

i said multiples times that it's not litteral, the narrator says the wound are massive as Wolfgang was litterally ripping apart his body, but they were only ripping ant-size holes in his overall existance because of it's sheer density

It was also Methuselah's humanoid form, only a fraction of him.

Reinhard destroyed all his darkness by nuking his physical form, so no, the humanoid form is linked to all nights

It being only fraction is unfounded from what i have seen and nothing points at it being the case

Even a 7-A character can damage half the density of the earth as much as an ant too. And we can not even quantify how much of darkness and the nights were damaged by Wolfgang. Feat is completely unquantified and outlier.

you are outright saying nonsense here.

first off, no, Wolfgang very clearly did more than scratch a single night

it's not unquantifiable because it very much IS calculable

and unless you give proof of it being an outlier, it's not

According to Methuselah, the reason for his powerlessness against Claudia was that she was light itself.

But i would never give you such orders and, in fact, i'm incapale of doing so.
You are light after, all.
All those of the dark are powerless before you.

The light, the peerless sun - he's defined Claudia as such, and that interrelation became permament.

He was weak against Claudia because he defined Claudia as light.

Yeah, no, that's litterally just showing he's massive simp

The first is not even talking about power, it's him telling Claudia that he can't control her. Which is immidatly rebuked by the fact he turned her into a being of dark

he's referring to Claudia and Claudia alone as being able to defeat him there, what he belives to be the very concept of light to his darkness, not light in general

this is further shown by the fact that Willheim (While no longer recieving sould from Glads) was able to push back against the Claudia's Briah, so darkness isn't weak to light

Also, before Methuselah even met Claudia, Claudia easily destroyed his darkness.

Later on in the novel it's explained that's because of her taking the rosary, thus becoming Methuselah's bride

The two sides of a coin do not mean absolute equality in everything, and this was debunked in the story. They only had same depth.

You do realize having depth the level of a planet is stil a feat, right ?

Even damaging Methuselah's whole being is a big outlier, it is jumping from 7-A to 3-A. Of course, I'm sure a 7-A can hurt a 3-A as much as an ant too. I can literally punch the ground and tecnically damage the planet. A ant can also damage my finger, that doesn't make ant anywhere as powerful as my finger.

the 7-A feat was perfomed before Wolfgang even became a Einherjar, so it wouldn't be an outlier for them to have become massivelly stronger

also, what are you even saying ? Scaling them to 3-A was never even considered here

And finally, you see to not understand the sheer scale of difference we are talking about here, if you do the equivalent of an ant-size for a human to a planet it would be destroying hundreds of thousands worth of square kilometers worth of land

A 7-A compared to Low 5-B is literally less than a single cell compared to a human

(Also i'd like to remind you insects are only a single tier below humans, and this is much more like taking a spoonful out of a neutron star)

This image also reiterated that Wolfgang could not have damaged Methuselah

And in this previously posted image, it was said that Wolfgang severely lacked firepower to damage Methuselah

IT WAS SAID TWICE IN TWO DIFFERENT INSTANCES that Wolfgang could not damage him, so it seems more that those "wounds" were not even wounds in the true sense of the word, but only a disturbance in the darkness or some infinitesimal gapes at best.

you sure love taking that out of context, i've provided multiple times rebuttal to that and you've just been ignoring it

 

[azontr]

Uh, since Methuselah is being downgraded possibly you may want to argue in that thread and not this one lol.

 

[QuasiYuri]

There's another thread discussing downgrade.

 

[Tarang123]

It was a weakened and collapsing Gladsheim and Ren used an Anti-Death Briah

Gladsheim was only collapsing after ren used his briah

 

[PrinceofPein]

Disagree with this thread now that I decided to be involved again
No one scales to meths jaws of darkness not even Machina and yes while you are right that Schreiber damaged meth as that was stated quite a few times only that the damage was negligent and we can’t measure how much of damage he did. And aside that He was only able to harm him with his Ber’iah which is well a hax that they don’t scale too normally as Ber’iah itself is strong enough to overwrite law of the current god briefly
Anyway that’s my 2 cents on this
Now unto the other thread the main one

 

[Overlord775]

yes while you are right that Schreiber damaged meth as that was stated quite a few times only that the damage was negligent and we can’t measure how much of damage he did.

because of the latter's immortality, not because of actual damage done

And aside that He was only able to harm him with his Ber’iah which is well a hax that they don’t scale too normally as Ber’iah itself is strong enough to overwrite law of the current god briefly

Wolfgang's Ber'iah only gives speed, nothing that bypasses durability

 

[Tarang123]

Wolfgang's Ber'iah only gives speed, nothing that bypasses durability

It’s a briah, so it does have the law manip that other briahs have

 

[azontr]

And don't Apostles already inherently negate durability-

 

[Overlord775]

It’s a briah, so it does have the law manip that other briahs have

non sequitur, law hax doesn't bypass durability automatically

And don't Apostles already inherently negate durability-

by hitting the soul, something Meth lacks

 

[Tarang123]

non sequitur, law hax doesn't bypass durability automatically

Their law hax should.

by hitting the soul, something Meth lacks

Scan? For the whole Meth having no soul thing?

 

[PrinceofPein]

non sequitur, law hax doesn't bypass durability automatically

Hmmmn actually Schreiber Briah also deals damage he speeds up and tears through anything he literally used it to escape Shirou chain iirc the same chain that could hold back Merc for a moment

by hitting the soul, something Meth lacks

Meth has a soul

 

[azontr]

His profile says he doesn't have a soul because he's a personified concept lol. This is the scan used to support it. Do what you will with it.

 

[PrinceofPein]

His profile says he doesn't have a soul because he's a personified concept lol. This is the scan used to support it. Do what you will with it.

The damn thing should be removed when Merc was speaking here he was explaining how meth came about and nothing about not having a soul

And a personified concept can have a soul

And to crown it all after Reinhard nuked meth, meth been a personified concept was no longer a thing he was only left with meth soul inside Ludvig body and he was literally fighting Wilhelm for a long time while explaining his cravings e.t.c. Meth has a craving only souls have craving

And literally the whole plot says he has a soul nothing says he does not have a soul

Checked meth profile and I don’t see attack reflection and spatial manip maybe I missed it but he should have it there as that’s literally his go to move

 

[azontr]

The damn thing should be removed when Merc was speaking here he was explaining how meth came about and nothing about not having a soul

And a personified concept can have a soul

And to crown it all after Reinhard nuked meth, meth been a personified concept was no longer a thing he was only left with meth soul inside Ludvig body and he was literally fighting Wilhelm for a long time while explaining his cravings e.t.c. Meth has a craving only souls have craving

And literally the whole plot says he has a soul nothing says he does not have a soul

Checked meth profile and I don’t see attack reflection and spatial manip maybe I missed it but he should have it there as that’s literally his go to move

Well, like I said, do what you will with the whole thing. I don't have any particularly strong feelings on this downgrade, but if you want, you can make a separate CRT for Methuselah.

 

[azontr]

Although, I do agree that this scan doesn't suggest that Meth doesn't have a soul. Like, at all.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I should reply to the meth downgrade thread and add the thread to it

The only reason I have not is well cause I have to link some scans to imgur and I can’t do that on mobile

And also spoilers meth dura is straight up 1B

 

[azontr]

And also spoilers meth dura is straight up 1B

I can sorta see that making sense given his role in Merc's world lol.

 

[Overlord775]

Hmmmn actually Schreiber Briah also deals damage he speeds up and tears through anything he literally used it to escape Shirou chain iirc the same chain that could hold back Merc for a moment

that's more Kinetic energy than anything durability bypassing

also Shirou's chains come from Mellous' Holy Relic, so that's Merc being a jobber

The damn thing should be removed when Merc was speaking here he was explaining how meth came about and nothing about not having a soul

And a personified concept can have a soul

And to crown it all after Reinhard nuked meth, meth been a personified concept was no longer a thing he was only left with meth soul inside Ludvig body and he was literally fighting Wilhelm for a long time while explaining his cravings e.t.c. Meth has a craving only souls have craving

And literally the whole plot says he has a soul nothing says he does not have a soul

/shrug

 

[PrinceofPein]

that's more Kinetic energy than anything durability bypassing

also Shirou's chains come from Mellous' Holy Relic, so that's Merc being a jobber

Escaping the chains that could hold Merc for a while is not kinetic energy

 

[Overlord775]

... man, that was referring to how Wolfgang deals more damage when he goes faster

 

[PrinceofPein]

... man, that was referring to how Wolfgang deals more damage when he goes faster

Anyway that said the only time Schreiber damaged meth was well while in Briah he doesn’t scale to it

 

[Overlord775]

Anyway that said the only time Schreiber damaged meth was well while in Briah he doesn’t scale to it

again, nothing of his briah bypasses durability

hell, even the soul hax shouldn't work since Meth's mystery would boost it's spiritual defences

 

[PrinceofPein]

again, nothing of his briah bypasses durability

hell, even the soul hax shouldn't work since Meth's mystery would boost it's spiritual defences

again briah is a 1B hax

 

[Overlord775]

1-B Statistic amplificaton and reactive evolution is still NOT DURABILITY NEGATION

 

[PrinceofPein]

No not 1B reactive evolution, it is straight up 1B The last one is for schreiber, him speeding through things deals 1B damage via hax

 

[Overlord775]

No, no, that means he's able to harm and attack non-corporeal things like darkness, not durability negation