Re:Zero Volume 1-9 Revisions

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Emilia does have aura and social influencing, there is more evidence

“Enough—I will tolerate no more violence from you.”

The beautiful voice cut through that surreal scene like light through a clear piece of glass.

The battlefield was dominated by that voice, clear as a bell, and everyone’s eyes were stolen by the girl who appeared upon it.

Her long, silver hair flapped in a warm wind. Her violet eyes were imbued with a powerful will. Her beauty was so great that none who witnessed it could ever forget. Her outward appearance was enough to draw the eyes of others several times over.

However, in that instant, her appearance was not why she had stolen the gazes of all present.

Everyone’s eyes had been stolen for no reason beyond the overwhelming awe of her presence.-Volume 8, Chapter 5

 

[ShionAH]

dd what to the op? Everyone who needs empathetic resistance, already has it, not to mention that's like volume 17 content, this thread is only about volume 1-9.

Anyways if you are not adding that freaky resistance I agree with the CRT

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

But he resisted because of the Sprit that Julius gave him, so is not by himself.

Fair enough but can't Beatrice help him break out of an illusion?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Emilia does have aura and social influencing, there is more evidence

Flowery lenguage, and i don't see anyone mentioning aura.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Fair enough but can't Beatrice help him break out of an illusion?

Only If is showing doing that.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What?

In a battlefield with people killing each other, she causes everyone to look at her due to her overwhelming presence, you don't aura to be stated, plenty of people have it for their presence, but regardless this is clear cut social influencing.

Honestly this thread is becoming a distraction for me, i was ok with just leaving it open while i work on Slime, but it's distracting me from that.

Gonna update the op, and get one more staff to end this.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sure, okay.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus

Need some input here.

 

[Phoenks]

Can you add the Acausality addition to the OP, that should be part of Volume 1-9.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea later when I get home, his causality resistance should be changed to acausality, makes sense he can remember what changed in the timeline since he remembers what happens after he reset it.

 

[Elizhaa]

Possibly Death and Durability Negation seems fine, as discussed above.

I would be fine with Subaru having acausality type 1.

The rest seem fine.

 

[Alsotime]

Can create illusions using wind-type magic and hallucinatory drugs

Wouldn’t this also count as a form of poison manip then?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I guess, Julius resisted it too, so he would get poison resistance as well.

@Elizhaa Thanks for the input.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I guess, Julius resisted it too, so he would get poison resistance as well.

Considering that he dies for Poison in the pride If, i don't think he should.
The most would "minor poison resistance".

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I was gonna mention how ironic it is that he died from poison there, but thing is, from my memory, that poison was made by Felix, who has practically genius knowledge about the body and knows how to break it.

I think the obvious explanation is Felix's poison was just stronger.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I mean, that's still would mean minor resistance to poison, since he never show resisting lethal Poison, Just drugs.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea, that's fine.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This all looks good to me.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Great this should all be good to apply then.

Will do that after i am done with Slime.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Pretty much done with applying Slime besides references for all profiles, which will be a long term project.

So, will start on applying these revisions.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Was gonna wait for the vol 20 CRT as that shows more evidence, but i think it's already clear.

So Julius can react to invisible attacks on instinct, at the speed of thought etc

With a pleasant smile, Cecils calmly drew one of the swords at his hip. Then he took a single, nonchalant step toward Julius and vanished.
An instant later, faster than lightning, he delivered a blow that transcended all perception.
“Hrrgh!” Julius only just managed to block this first strike with the upraised hilt of his saber. He hadn’t deflected it consciously; it was an instinctive reaction, one born of the heightened reflexes granted to him by his greater spirits. Julius had been forced to use his trump card at the very first exchange.-Ex Novel 4

Julius emerged from behind a cover of dense trees within the forest. The moment he did, his very flesh reacted to the hail of the invisible light-missiles with the physical enhancement gifted to him by Ine, the light-element greater spirit. It was the same card he had played in his battle with Cecils, one that substantially improved Julius’s reactions. The moment his heightened senses detected an attack, he would bring up his sword to block it at the speed of thought.-Ex Novel 4

Yet he needed to borrow Subaru's eyes, which can see the Unseen Hands, and on top of that, still took quite a few blows from Petelguese.

Meanwhile Wilhelm is the only one who can take on Petelguese alone, and he can't even see the Unseen Hands, and yet they never touch him.

He clearly should have Instinctive Action too, and again scales to everyone on his level and above, Kurgan, Theresia, Cecilius, Reid. Probably Libre from the Ex Novels, since he overpowered Young Wilhelm, and was said to be more skilled or something, but for him i won't really touch until i do a reread of Ex Novel 2.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me too.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Going through adding references i noticed something, i was going to add this in the arc 4 CRT, but this also can be added now.

Shamak which takes away the senses is said to be able to be brushed off with skill

Startled, he abruptly raised his voice, but the sound never reached his ears. The profound darkness had cut off his vision from everything outside him. A shiver went up his spine at being severed from the outside world.

“There, all done.”

When Subaru heard the clap of hands, he realized that he had returned to reality. Seeing Emilia in front of him when his sight returned put him at ease.

“That was just a moment, but he broke out in such a sweat… Subaru, are you all right? Do you want me to hold your hand?”

“I-I’m all right. I just lost my senses for a moment… Ah, I lost my chance to hold your hand.”

While making his typically flippant comment, Subaru touched his own eyelids to make sure nothing had changed there.

“So that’s a Shamak, huh? It’s simple, but it’s pretty strong stuff, isn’t it?”

“Not at all. Anyone but a lower-grade opponent can brush it off with skill, and it can’t be maintained for long. Although I could cast it on the likes of you so that you’d spend your entire life in darkness…”-Volume 3, Chapter 2

Later on in arc 4, despite being hit by Shamak, Elsa could accurately tell where Subaru and co were, and hit their internal organs. It's said to be different from Julius who it doesn't work on, so basically it works on Elsa, but even then, she can circumvent it.

“Miss Frederica!!”


Thrown by the landing, Petra raised her voice into a near-shriek as she rolled on the grass. Her gaze was on Frederica, down on one knee in the yard with skewers stuck in her bloody back.


“I…underestimated our opponent…!”


Frederica was making labored breaths as slender skewers rose from her back like a mountain of swords. The skewers were nearly eight inches in length, and more than a few had doubtless reached her internal organs.


Frederica wasn’t the only one who understood their might, for Subaru had gotten a taste as well.


“Ow……! Shit! She’s like Julius: an enemy that Shamak doesn’t work on…!”


“Surely not. She simply threw them past of the cloud of darkness. She has exceptional intuition.”


Subaru wailed at the skewer impaling his right shoulder as Ram stated her thoughts. Examining Subaru and Frederica’s wounds, her refined eyebrows gently formed a scowl.-Volume 11, Chapter 2

So basically everyone Elsa tier and above can fight without their senses via sheer skill.

 

[Phoenks]

That's honestly a wild skill feat. That means they can pretty much fight people who are invisible or stealthy without any issues.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The Unseen Hands is all kinds of broken, Julius can indeed resist Shamak, but his skill level is around Elsa tier, and on top of that he can instinctively dodge invisible attacks at the speed of thought, yet needed Subaru's eyes to see the Unseen Hands, and even then took a few blows, yet Wilhelm can single handedly face Petelguese....

I think after all the revisions Reinhard is gonna have an argument to be one of the most skilled swordsman on the wiki.

Like there is still more stuff to add later on ie a fight with anyone Gafiel tier has to be immediate, meaning there can't be any delay between thinking of attacking and attacking, everything has to be immediate, any hesitation or delay equals being rocked by your opponent.

Slowing down your perception, so you can get more time to decide what you're gonna do, accelerated development where you get stronger/more skilled, the stronger your opponent is.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Going through adding references i noticed something, i was going to add this in the arc 4 CRT, but this also can be added now.

Shamak which takes away the senses is said to be able to be brushed off with skill

The weaker version of Shamak can be brushed with skill, and this version of Shamak is also not so impressive, since It doesn't cut off all your senses, because you can still feel the ground and what's happening with your body.

 

[Fezzih_007]

but his skill level is around Elsa tier

Based on what?

 

[Phoenks]

So Subaru has layered Extrasensory Perception

The Unseen Hands is all kinds of broken, Julius can indeed resist Shamak, but his skill level is around Elsa tier, and on top of that he can instinctively dodge invisible attacks at the speed of thought, yet needed Subaru's eyes to see the Unseen Hands, and even then took a few blows, yet Wilhelm can single handedly face Petelguese....

I think after all the revisions Reinhard is gonna have an argument to be one of the most skilled swordsman on the wiki.

Like there is still more stuff to add later on ie a fight with anyone Gafiel tier has to be immediate, meaning there can't be any delay between thinking of attacking and attacking, everything has to be immediate, any hesitation or delay equals being rocked by your opponent.

Slowing down your perception, so you can get more time to decide what you're gonna do, accelerated development where you get stronger/more skilled, the stronger your opponent is.

Speaking of Subaru and the unseen hands.

Subaru being able to see them should be Extrasensory Perception on his page, not enhanced senses. Even his ability to "sense danger" sounds more like esp.

Also, based on what you said, it seems he actually has layered esp?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Fezzih_007 It's a regular Shamak true, not Ul Shamak (which is broken, i remember it being said you can't understand anything, not even if you're still alive or not), though even with a regular Shamak, the effect depends on skill level. Still having your vision cut off and still being able to hit your opponents vitals is a good feat.

@Phoenks I guess? The Unseen Hands are invisible, have no aura nor sound. Balroy's missles/bullets in Ex Novel 4 were also invisible, and Julius react to them; the way it worked is the second he detects soemthing, his body immediately reacted on instinct, but he can't detect the Unseen Hands.

 

[Phoenks]

@Phoenks I guess? The Unseen Hands are invisible, have no aura nor sound. Balroy's missles/bullets in Ex Novel 4 were also invisible, and Julius react to them; the way it worked is the second he detects soemthing, his body immediately reacted on instinct, but he can't detect the Unseen Hands.

I was referring to Subaru having layered esp since he can full on detect the unseen hands while Julius and others can't see them at all. I accidentally said it twice.

If Julius also has layered esp... then Subaru's esp would be insane lol. And his invisibility with Invisible Providence would also be layered.

But yeah when you get the chance could you add Extrasensory Perception to Subaru?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Speaking of Subaru and the unseen hands.

Subaru being able to see them should be Extrasensory Perception on his page, not enhanced senses.

Can you pinpoint to me where in the page says that seeing something invisible count as EP?

Even his ability to "sense danger" sounds more like esp.

Yeah

Also, based on what you said, it seems he actually has layered esp?

No, he should have Limited Extrasensory Perception, since he dies a bunch of times by getting caught by surprise.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Phoenks Editing the other profiles, will do it later, or you're free to do so if you want though.

 

[Phoenks]

Can you pinpoint to me where in the page says that seeing something invisible count as EP?

Seeing things like spirits, ghosts, energy, and etc (things that are invisible, have no aura, sound, etc) is always listed as Extrasensory Perception.

Because no matter how good your senses are invisibility means that you can't be perceived. So normal perception will never be enough. You need a supernatural sensory ability to see things like that.

No, he should have Limited Extrasensory Perception, since he dies a bunch of times by getting caught by surprise.

Getting caught by surprise by who?

Because people like Elsa have insane stealth mastery and can blitz the **** out of him.

I can't think of a scenario where he gets caught by surprise and dies to someone who doesn't either have good stealth mastery, blitzes him, or who got to him because he was simply distracted.

Either way it wouldn't even be a limited ability because he does just full on see the unseen hands..there's no limit to that.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Speaking of Shamak, Betty is a specialist in Ying Magic, but her Shamac doesn't work on Ley/Rui? The Japanese names confuse me, Ley is what works for me honestly

Betty's Shamak affects all 5 senses

It was safe to assume that he wouldn’t be able to hurt Regulus. In that case, what about binding him with a whip to hinder his movements?

“—Shamak!”

Additionally, Beatrice conjured Shamak, the greatest of all spells, and enveloped Regulus in a black cloud.

Chanting while seated on Subaru’s back, Beatrice had plunged the villain’s thoughts into the void with perfect timing. If he could only pull the guy down within the darkness and take Emilia back—

“Do you have a death wish? Then you should just wait your turn. Do not make me bother with you.”

With a single step, Regulus completely blew away the black cloud surrounding him. It didn’t seem like the spell, which was meant to obliterate the victim’s five senses, had any effect on Regulus, who now turned his gaze toward Subaru and Beatrice as they raced forward.
-Volume 17, Chapter 2

Ley breaks out in 2 seconds

One beat later, Batenkaitos erupted from the glimmering cloud of dust, heading straight toward Beatrice. In a dangerous spot, she leaped into the air. She inhaled as she looked down at him.


With a stance like a bird of prey, Batenkaitos stretched his fingertips out toward Beatrice. Just before they could reach, while they were both in the air where neither could escape, Beatrice cast another spell.


The dark spell that she had used more in the past year than in the previous four hundred years of her life—


“—Shamak!”


“Mgh?!”


Breaking the third crystal in her cloak, a black mist completely enveloped Batenkaitos’s body.


While he was swallowed up in an impenetrable darkness, she stole away a moment’s reprieve. Shamak’s effect would not last long, but while it did, she exchanged glances with Otto—and he nodded.


“Ahh! Look at you, Lady Beatrice! That’s almost like his way of fighting… It’s not like you at all! Has he been influencing you?!”


Brushing aside Shamak’s effects after exactly two seconds, Batenkaitos roared with ferocious laughter.


The memories of the girl inside him would’ve found Beatrice standing at Subaru’s side an unfamiliar sight. So even if Gluttony saw Subaru’s influence in Beatrice’s fighting style, he had no way of knowing just how significant it really was.-Volume 20, Chapter 1

Though honestly, Gluttony are kinda broken, decades of martial arts under them, slapped around both Ricardo and Julius. Not quite sure where they stack up vs Wilhelm (though thinking about it, probably inferior, as Wilhelm is said to be a sword master beyond the limits of humanity), but they are below Reinhard.

Elsa tier: Can deal with Shamak that robs sound and vision.

Gluttony tier: Can deal with Shamak that robs all five senses.

Anyway that's enough of that, going back to editing.

 

[Fezzih_007]

@Fezzih_007 It's a regular Shamak true, not Ul Shamak (which is broken, i remember it being said you can't understand anything, not even if you're still alive or not), though even with a regular Shamak, the effect depends on skill level. Still having your vision cut off and still being able to hit your opponents vitals is a good feat.

Yeah, i just pointing that is not all senses being cut, is just the vision.

Seeing things like spirits, ghosts, energy, and etc (things that are invisible, have no aura, sound, etc) is always listed as Extrasensory Perception.

Is not in the page trought, is just says you have to sense or detect those things, not see them.

But anyway, i just finishing my rewatch of Re:ZERO and in episode 22, Subaru as able to sense the Unseen Hand before It attacks everyone there, so he should still have Extrassnsory Perception.

 

[Phoenks]

Is not in the page trought, is just says you have to sense or detect those things, not see them.

Well because it would fall under just having supernatural sensory powers which is what the ability is at heart.

But like, if you've ever seen how esp is listed on profiles, the vast majority of the time it's just because people can sense things that shouldn't be sensible. Like what I mentioned.

But anyway, i just finishing my rewatch of Re:ZERO and in episode 22, Subaru as able to sense the Unseen Hand before It attacks everyone there, so he should still have Extrassnsory Perception.

Yes.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Btw, I making a Thread to remove a ability of certain characters, when i done can you guys give a look?

 

[Phoenks]

Btw, I making a Thread to remove a ability of certain characters, when i done can you guys give a look?

Could you maybe elaborate before you create the thread?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Well, the witches all share one ability between each other, but the reason of sharing the ability is very poor and don't make much sense in the context of the series, so i trought in removing It.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

You know the discussion thread exists right? That's where that sort of stuff should be discussed.

Not to mention i am going through the whole series, so whatever you want removed i may actual do it eventually.

But yea bring that discussion there.