Shinza Banshou 5-A downgrade for Wilhelm, Commanders and Reinhard

[Infera28]

So right now we're comparing Legion Empowered Wilhelm and Three Commanders to Methuselah's jaws of darkness and giving them 5-A, but that's wrong.

Although Wilhelm was able to use all 8,000 of his souls at once, this was not enough to harm Methuselah. If just using 8,000 souls was enough, then Wolfgang could do it, but Wolfgang was no more than an ant against Methuselah.

The reason Wilhelm could have harmed Methuselah was because Methuselah had absorbed Claudia and Claudia had Wilhelm's blood. It connected them together, and Methuselah / concept of darkness believed that he was weaker than Claudia (light and the duality of darkness), so Methuselah became weaker than Wilhelm.

Also, according to WoG, Methuselah is stronger than Wilhelm and the Commanders.

5-A Reinhard comes from his comparison with Wilhelm. But because that comparison was completely wrong and Reinhard destroyed Methuselah with one strike, there is no reason to give Reinhard 5-A anymore.

So we have to remove 5-A for Wilhelm, Commanders and Reinhard.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Needless to say, I agree with it.

It's flat out stated that only Reinhard can compare with Meth, meaning his justification should also be slightly changed.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I agree, I mean everyone already agreed from the discussion group and i thought it can even be implemented direct;y

also, if Meth is comaprable to Reinhard, is that not an upgrade from the 5A key and also Reinhard would lose his 5A key since the justification is far above Wilhelm or the LDO members or you can fiind a better justification for him

 

[azontr]

Sad. But I agree.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Oof, shinza still getting pummeled

 

[Akuma]

Obviously, I agree

 

[Akuma]

I agree, I mean everyone already agreed from the discussion group and i thought it can even be implemented direct;y

also, if Meth is comaprable to Reinhard, is that not an upgrade from the 5A key and also Reinhard would lose his 5A key since the justification is far above Wilhelm or the LDO members or you can fiind a better justification for him

Don't know if Meth is comparable to Reinhard though, Wilhelm's statement was more along the lines " Only Reinhard could beat him with sheer power and quality " and the latter considered the former not good enough to surpass his expectations and make him experience the " unknown " after blasting him.

 

[azontr]

So, Reinhard loses 5-A and just becomes 3-A then?

 

[QuasiYuri]

Regarding which tier the Commanders and Whilhelm on drugs should be, they would likely scale to this calc which is 7-A (although I don't understand these kinda stuff).

Also Methuselah justification would need a HUGE change, since he's scaled to Whilhelm destroying his stuff on some part.

 

[azontr]

Schreiber did that when he wasn't an Einherjar yet, it was literally right before he did become one lol

 

[QuasiYuri]

Schreiber did that when he wasn't an Einherjar yet, it was literally right before he did become one lol

His Einherjar self still scales above it though.

Their others feats and statements are all below this one.

 

[azontr]

Hm. May search DI for higher AP justifications because I crave the sweet sweet taste of glorious golden tier 5 victory.


Otherwise, I agree with the 7-A shit.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Hm. May search DI for higher AP justifications because I crave the sweet sweet taste of glorious golden tier 5 victory.


Otherwise, I agree with the 7-A shit.

There was a thread when people searched the best feats for LDO, but eh, there's not much. Avesta is where all the tier 5 went.

I'm personally fine with them being tier 7, since they actually kinda sucked for tier 5s.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Don't know if Meth is comparable to Reinhard though, Wilhelm's statement was more along the lines " Only Reinhard could beat him with sheer power and quality " and the latter considered the former not good enough to surpass his expectations and make him experience the " unknown " after blasting him.

Okay agreed, so Reinhard just loses his 5A key and stays 3A

 

[azontr]

I'm personally fine with them being tier 7, since they actually kinda sucked for tier 5s.

L.D.O being Tier 5 just felt right to me, I dunno :/ And didn't Khvarenah eat like 500 galaxies or something? I know it was over time, but that has to be well into Tier 4.

 

[QuasiYuri]

L.D.O being Tier 5 just felt right to me, I dunno :/ And didn't Khvarenah eat like 500 galaxies or something? I know it was over time, but that has to be well into Tier 4.

Oh yeah, Avesta easily scales above tier 5; I just meant that it was a fodder tier.

Btw now that I think of it, this revision may affect around 10 profiles.

 

[PrinceofPein]

His Einherjar self still scales above it though.

Their others feats and statements are all below this one.

That was Schreiber after the opening of the first swastika leveling berlin, with multipliers will can get them higher since there are clear cut statement about how much each swatiskas/souls makes them stronger

 

[azontr]

Oh yeah, Avesta easily scales above tier 5; I just meant that it was a fodder tier.

Btw now that I think of it, this revision may affect around 10 profiles.

Including the people for ParaLost who scale above the commanders.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

There was a thread when people searched the best feats for LDO, but eh, there's not much. Avesta is where all the tier 5 went.

I'm personally fine with them being tier 7, since they actually kinda sucked for tier 5s.

avesta has tier 4 feats not 5 There is a guy who created a explosion spamming multiple light years. There is another one who can manipulate stars

 

[Tarang123]

I definitely agree with this. Good job,
Infera

 

[azontr]

avesta has tier 4 feats not 5 There is a guy who created a explosion spamming multiple years. There is another one who can manipulate stars

Avesta is literally sci-fi space-demon fantasy, if there wasn't feats at least tier 5 I'd be disappointed.

 

[QuasiYuri]

That was Schreiber after the opening of the first swastika leveling berlin, with multipliers will can get them higher since there are clear cut statement about how much each swatiskas/souls makes them stronger

I'm kind of against these kind of multipliers when there's nothing to back them up, and given how all their feats were constantly said to be on nuke-level it seems weird to make them jump tier that way.

I think keeping at "higher with each Swastikas" to be the safest, although it is more of a personal opinion here.

 

[azontr]

I'm kind of against these kind of multipliers when there's nothing to back them up, and given how all their feats were constantly said to be on nuke-level it seems weird to make them jump tier that way.

I think keeping at "higher with each Swastikas" to be the safest, although it is more of a personal opinion here.

Idk, considering the boost in power the commanders get with the opening of swastikas, multipliers may be able to be applied. That's probably stretching it though.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I'm kind of against these kind of multipliers when there's nothing to back them up, and given how all their feats were constantly said to be on nuke-level it seems weird to make them jump tier that way.

I think keeping at "higher with each Swastikas" to be the safest, although it is more of a personal opinion here.

What if there are solid statements like with each swatiskas we are ten times more stronger or the likes? Also it is my personal opinion but i am sure they are not 7A after the opening of the third swatiskas till the 8th

 

[azontr]

Weren't the commanders ******** on Finale Ren after the 8th swastika opened? Or was that what made him go Finale?

 

[QuasiYuri]

What if there are solid statements like with each swatiskas we are ten times more stronger or the likes? Also it is my personal opinion but i am sure they are not 7A after the opening of the third swatiskas till the 8th

I know about the Swastikas statement, but they seem odd with the showing.

Weren't the commanders ******** on Finale Ren after the 8th swastika opened? Or was that what made him go Finale?

Finale Ren scales above them as of now.

 

[Tarang123]

Weren't the commanders ******** on Finale Ren after the 8th swastika opened? Or was that what made him go Finale?

Yeah, that was just because they were literally fighting together (also some other shit). In a one vs one battle, Ren likely could have beaten any of them.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I know about the Swastikas statement, but they seem odd with the showing.

Well kind of, but if we wont be using a multiplier their 7A key should be restricked to the 1st swastika only.

well let us hear others opinion on the use of the multipliers

 

[QuasiYuri]

Well kind of, but if we wont be using a multiplier their 7A key should be restricked to the 1st swastika only.

well let us hear others opinion on the use of the multipliers

Why though? I mean, we didn't change anything for 5-A, so doing it for 7-A doesn't make much sense.

But yeah it's better to have more opinions.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Tier 7-A DI is back
Looked at my opponents stocks
Fate will get haxy as heck and there is OOO

All i can say is that DI would having a bad time lel, even with ignoring the durability

 

[azontr]

FUHAHAHAHA!! MY 1-B SOULHAX AND LAWHAX GOES BRRRRRRRR-

 

[PrinceofPein]

All i can say is that DI would having a bad time lel, even with ignoring the durability

LOL if it is a 7A match, DI wins

 

[Infera28]

So, Reinhard loses 5-A and just becomes 3-A then?

Maybe? but let's leave that for another revision thread.

L.D.O being Tier 5 just felt right to me, I dunno :/ And didn't Khvarenah eat like 500 galaxies or something? I know it was over time, but that has to be well into Tier 4.

His cape also was made of the galaxies and his full body was equivalent to 574 galaxies.

avesta has tier 4 feats not 5 There is a guy who created a explosion spamming multiple light years. There is another one who can manipulate stars

Munsarat may scale to 5-A. He easily changed the rotation of a large planet. But most of the other important characters are tier 4 and higher.

 

[Lapsad]

LOL if it is a 7A match, DI wins

They are recently lose to ID.

 

[PrinceofPein]

They are recently lose to ID.

idg

 

[azontr]

This was the wrong thread lol, was supposed to be in the discussion thread.

 

[azontr]

And it wasn't a proposition, just a thought. I'll delete the comment and add it to the discussion thread.

 

[QuasiYuri]

I'll do the same for mine and repost it then.

 

[azontr]

I'll do the same for mine and repost it then.

Alright. Btw, can these revisions not be applied? Nobody seems to be in opposition.

 

[QuasiYuri]

We should just work out the new justifications before applying anything imo.