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You are missing my point, I don't think they could have beaten Hajun even at full power I am very well aware that Hajun stomp them hardThey were weaker but that doesn't imply they could have defeated or even damaged Hajun at full power. Thats only a assumtion really.
Weaker can be only 2% or 5% weaker too. We don't know how much weaker. Ren, Rein and Merc had 1v1v1 and 1v1 fights in Marie Route and Rea Route + simultaneously eating each other too and they weren't much in problem or affected. Again they had relative taiji, It barely affects them.
those three still possessed very strong cravings, and even with that, they still weren’t able to achieve anything, because the strength of their enemy was just too big.
even the whole strength of the Twilight’s guardians would be nothing.
It stated even their whole strength would be nothing. Also wasn't End of Series Hajun depowered to death and still killed Rein, Ren, Marie and Mercurius barely survived?
Wait “KKK Route” what do you mean? Rein was dead in K3. Thats why LLT had a new user.The battle with Hajun that takes place after Marie route is kinda weird.
Did Reinhard instantly figure out Hajun's weakness and thus manage to nerf him in the Rea route and simply didn't in the KKK route? I wish someone would give more context on this matter.
That what I said tho?Wait “KKK Route” what do you mean? Rein was dead in K3. Thats why LLT had a new user.
I think we are ok for now Ant, we can let you know once we need you.Okay. Do you need my help here, or can I unsubscribe from this thread until you are finished?
Yakou: どれほど強大であろうと御身の太極、無限ではあるまい
Yakou: No matter how strong it is, your Taikyoku is not infinite.
Yakou: 原則、色は一つのみ。両立するなど出来ぬのだ。通常ならば優性が劣性を塗り潰すのだが……我らは同色。ゆえ成り立たぬ
Yakou: Everyone has their own color. And so they are not able to coexist. Generally, the stronger one repaints over the weaker one. But we… we are of the same color. And so…
Yakou: それは既存宇宙を塗り替える所業であり、新法則へと移行するものに他ならない。
Yakou: It is a work to repaint the existing universe, and it is nothing but a transition to a new law.
この現状だけを見るのなら、勝利への軌跡は成ったのだろう。夜行の世界がついに天魔の空を喰らい潰す。
If we only look at the current situation, the trajectory to victory has been completed. The world of nocturnal activity has finally devoured the sky of Tenma.
太極の強弱を凌駕した絶無の波動に次などない。
There was no next wave of Taikyoku that could’ve surpassed this strength.
Reizen is stated to surpass even the Tenma when he became Hajun's sensory and smoke his Taiyoku. Scale this to Yakou, who is also a Hajun's sensory, and his Taiji value definitely higher than a Tenma. Think please, guys.その自負、密度はもはや人に非ず。天魔を超える怪物の領域に、彼は今触れているのだ
Yato: 感じるぞ、座は近い。もうすぐ底に到達する
Yato: I can feel it, The Throne's location. It is very close.
Agree with 90x transcended baseline 1AHow 90 degrees above baseline even works? Shouldnt it be 90 transcendences?
Too tired with you so I'll just repeat it.That's not their taiji that's their distortion...歪曲 is distortion which in their page is 0 yes NOT their taiji.
No he intended to overpower you said and he needed to. Even with 0 taiji difference it can result in a stomp because of attributed. Ootake's armor literally allows him to just use his fists but removing it lets it go all in. THERE is no proof of a difference. You just said how 3 colors the fighers are being equal (and don't just ignore ren getting ganged cuz he DID despite being in the same taiji only overturned because he had extra powerful souls to help.
Yakou: どれほど強大であろうと御身の太極、無限ではあるまい
Yakou: No matter how strong it is, your Taikyoku is not infinite.
Yakou: 原則、色は一つのみ。両立するなど出来ぬのだ。通常ならば優性が劣性を塗り潰すのだが……我らは同色。ゆえ成り立たぬ
Yakou: Everyone has their own color. And so they are not able to coexist. Generally, the stronger one repaints over the weaker one. But we… we are of the same color. And so…
Yakou: それは既存宇宙を塗り替える所業であり、新法則へと移行するものに他ならない。
Yakou: It is a work to repaint the existing universe, and it is nothing but a transition to a new law.
この現状だけを見るのなら、勝利への軌跡は成ったのだろう。夜行の世界がついに天魔の空を喰らい潰す。
If we only look at the current situation, the trajectory to victory has been completed. The world of nocturnal activity has finally devoured the sky of Tenma.
太極の強弱を凌駕した絶無の波動に次などない。
There was no next wave of Taikyoku that could’ve surpassed this strength.
- Yakou aware of the general rule of Taiji battle and he intended to overpower, and devour Ootake, thus there are implications that Yakou's value is higher. Plus, due to having the same color, the act also overload the Tenma's world, cracking his armor as that world's boundary, being overflown with death, is breaking apart.
- The difference between this battle and 3 Color Battle of Rea route is that Setusna, Kichi and Shura trying to devour each other (let's ignore the fact that Setsuna ganged in the early phase), this proves their value are equal; while in Yakou vs Ootake only Yakou devours his opponent, this proves their value are difference.
- Plus reading though the whole thing clearly show that Yakou keep overwhelming Ootake until the latter resort to accepting his death, resulting in nuking Yakou's ass out.
- Yes, despite Yakou is implied to have higher Taiji value, Ootake can still do shit. A lot of shit, like deleting Yakou multiple times then erase him with the concept of nothingness altogether.
If this is not enough,
その自負、密度はもはや人に非ず。天魔を超える怪物の領域に、彼は今触れているのだ
Reizen is stated to surpass even the Tenma when he became Hajun's sensory and smoke his Taiyoku. Scale this to Yakou, who is also a Hajun's sensory, and his Taiji value definitely higher than a Tenma. Think please, guys.
Reizen was boosted by hajun and the mandala but are we talking about taiji cuz it didn't even mention that. Masada said he was equal to ootake in strength but never mentioned taiji and the like (Ootake without taiji is 3-A)
Because Shinza's infinity is quite shallow. Imagine you stronger than the Eastern Expeditors infinitely yet you could only mortally harm them.Why are Shinza threads like this??
I think that the Shinza's explanation page needs a massive overhaul.
Not touching any Shinza related after I fully read Masada Takashi's works.
I am aware my guy, just making an assumption because I dislike the whole power levels BS.Edit: And zero we don't know wtf is pantheon and the context other than that happened. We haven't gotten an idea if taiji system was ditched or not
It's canceled lolWhen is shinza pantheon releasing anyway?
"As in, to get even one layer higher into 1-A, a character has to transcend another 1-A character just as much as they transcend ,say, a human. There are essentially zero implications of such a massive power difference in all of Shinza Banshou. Aside from a questionable statement claiming Hajun transcends Tenma Yato as much as the latter transcends a human, but that statement was very likely a hyperbole anyway.
I think at this point most of the relevant stuff has been addressed. Some additional things I would like to point out:-"
Most of the High 1-A verses should be downgraded then.
So you're saying that you have read all 4 routes of KKK?? Can you show scans or preferably link me to videos with timestamps and not just copy pasted text from Ravenous' old questionable translations?Because Shinza's infinity is quite shallow. Imagine you stronger than the Eastern Expeditors infinitely yet you could only mortally harm them.
Thank **** he's not doing a mobile gacha game and those novels are officially published, quite different to traditional web novels where anyone can read it from anywhere.Masada decided to write a web novel instead telling the stories he intend to tell in the mobile game gacha.
Well, it pretty much killed light. The only hope to see what the Pantheon's story might have been now is Avesta selling well enough for Masada to release other parts of the Pantheon as a novel.Thank **** he's not doing a mobile gacha game and those novels are officially published, quite different to traditional web novels where anyone can read it from anywhere.
Keishirou RouteSo you're saying that you have read all 4 routes of KKK?? Can you show scans or preferably link me to videos with timestamps and not just copy pasted text from Ravenous' old questionable translations?
I mean he could have just glossed over these eras but it seems he's hell bent on writing about every era in the throne record.Well, it pretty much killed light. The only hope to see what the Pantheon's story might have been now is Avesta selling well enough for Masada to release other parts of the Pantheon as a novel.
Too much ambition. And he has following Fate's footstep since DI so I guess he seen FGO's successful then try to make something similar? Too bad his company is not Type-moon.I mean he could have just glossed over these eras but it seems he's hell bent on writing about every era in the throne record.
What's up with the hostility dude? I was just simply asking if you've played it?Keishirou Route
Soujirou Route
Yakou Route
Habaki Route
Side Story and Grand End
Sorry to disappoint you mate, but I used ITH, and a few english lines are from Revenger, not that Ravenous.
Screenshot waste too much time to organize comparing to tracking lines (and the forum format make posting screenshot a hassle), but if you think you can do something to prove that I didn't play the shit ages ago, try and think with the speed of light instead.
Can you please rephrase this sentence please? I don't quite get the wording, thanks bud.Imagine you stronger than the Eastern Expeditors infinitely yet you could only mortally harm them.
Yeah...Dies irae is too much like fate.Too much ambition. And he has following Fate's footstep since DI so I guess he seen FGO's successful then try to make something similar? Too bad his company is not Type-moon.
If you have the time to ask for YT playthrough, go to YT yourself. What's the point of YT if you've cleared the game already?What's up with the hostility dude? I was just simply asking if you've played it?
So can you send YouTube playthroughs + timestamps and not just texts?
Morei and Akuro stomped the Eastern Expedition with Taiyoku when the expeditors still not achive them except Yakou's pathetic 2. The result is just they badly injured like any generic shounen out there.Can you please rephrase this sentence please? I don't quite get the wording, thanks bud.
Yakou: 原則、色は一つのみ。両立するなど出来ぬのだ。通常ならば優性が劣性を塗り潰すのだが……我らは同色。ゆえ成り立たぬ
Yakou: Everyone has their own color. And so they are not able to coexist. Generally, the stronger one repaints over the weaker one. But we… we are of the same color. And so…
- In Marie route the primary reason for Kichi to stop them as he does not want two idiots keep defiling the twilight beach, because they clearly opened Singularity and then cross it to that beach arc background.
- Kichi stopped them there, not letting them cross further (and in that scene Kichi has to show up himself to stop those two).
- Plus, Kichi's goal is for Marie to ascend to the throne so no matter how much Setsuna and Shura fought it would lead to nowhere.
- Weird that you lots only dig into the fall endlessly (or keep using English scan when the English translation is bad, heh).
Morei and Akuro stomped the Eastern Expedition with Taiyoku when the expeditors still not achive them except Yakou's pathetic 2. The result is just they badly injured like any generic shounen out there.
I've explained it. Everything... is within my calculation.Generally, the stronger one repaints over the weaker one. But we… we are of the same color. And so…
Implying normally higher taikyoku slaps weaker one unless under same specific conditions such as having same color. So basically Yakou's law was far weaker against Ootake. It still was stronger but not at full power at all. Idk how it debunks taikyoku difference.
And you didn't read the thing, right? I've summarised the whole Yakou vs Ootake as well in previous comment.Yakou aware of the general rule of Taiji battle and he intended to overpower, and devour Ootake, thus there are implications that Yakou's value is higher. Plus, due to having the same color, the act also overload the Tenma's world, cracking his armor as that world's boundary, being overflown with death, is breaking apart.
Secondly,Plus reading though the whole thing clearly show that Yakou keep overwhelming Ootake until the latter resort to accepting his death, resulting in nuking Yakou's ass out.
Mercurius stopped them because they never can reach to throne no matter what. Even a endless downfall and opening infinite holes for drilling to throne isn's enough so they will only defile and ruin twilight beach and twilight beach was dear to Mercurius. It was Marie's home.
And Mercurius mentioned defiling but also according to him even an endless downfall and infinite holes for reaching to throne isn't enough.
Saying english translation has some mistakes so whole it is bad = hasty generalization fallacy. Having some mistakes don't make whole a licensed and supervised translation wrong. If you think that marie route translation was wrong then send us japanese translation, burden of proof is on you.
Taken out of context, nothing more, nothing less. Yato merely bluffing, and the "level" does not always meant to be Taiyoku.
Wrong, they already intended to kill the whole Expedition squad if Ryumei did not show up. And still using the "holding back" argument despite what I've said, do you hold back when you trample on an ant?Wasn't their taikyoku off and they suppressed their AP for not accidentally destroying remnants of marie world. Like their AP was mountain level but durability still 1-A. Unless you are saying eastern expedition had 1-A durabiliy in base and without taikyoku?
Huh, am I ******* dreaming? Both Akuro and Morei were already stomping the EE prior to activating their Taikyoku.Morei and Akuro stomped the Eastern Expedition with Taiyoku when the expeditors still not achive them except Yakou's pathetic 2. The result is just they badly injured like any generic shounen out there.
Oh and I am not fond of you strawmanning me. I clearly indicated or at least hinted here that I haven't finished any of it yet. And I have clearly said that I was neutral on the Shinza Bansho CRT until I complete the Shinza Bansho verse.If you have the time to ask for YT playthrough, go to YT yourself. What's the point of YT if you've cleared the game already?
Not touching any Shinza related after I fully read Masada Takashi's works.
Neutral on this until I read finish reading KKK and Paradise Lost myself, but it seems to make sense. Imho I'd usually prefer people to read its source material before making any CRT threads to upgrade or downgrade because it makes it much easier on yourself.