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Shiki Ryougi vs Yhwach (2-6-0)
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Also is soul crush instant? Even in aizens case it took a few seconds to work on a regular ass human in fkt
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It didn't take a few seconds, it was instantly as soon as he came into contact with Aizen.
Yeah she needs to take time to pull it out, that's still an action. Something that requires time vs a passive that doesn't.
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If shiki needs to make contact inorder to be crushed then there's no issue. she also has resistance to both ee and soul manipulation
Soul crush wouldnt be instant, even if it does some how go through her resistances it would dampen the effects
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its not a schrift, so no
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Again, not what I'm talking about. Aizen's the only person who has EE with his Reiatsu, Kenpachi doesn't. It's the physical effect on the body itself that screws her over.
Reiatsu crush can cover several KM and Yhwach's Reiatsu has multi dimensional range. He could be on Saturn and the force itself would still atomize her. Again it's a 3-C concussive force hitting something with 6-C durability.
Reiatsu Crush is an instant affect. This is like my 45th time telling you, her resistance doesn't matter because she isn't being hit with just hax. It's hax and 3-C passive AP with a massive range. Hax won't effect her, 3-C force will.
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He copied and used it in the anime to transform Ichibei into Santa Claus.
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I don't see how Yhwach's passives like reiatsu crush and almighty will be trumped by Shiki.
Is mystic eyes passive? The profile says it takes no exertion but is it something that she has to will for it to cut?
Is mystic eyes passive? The profile says it takes no exertion but is it something that she has to will for it to cut?
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Reiatsu crush is slapping her but not because of the hax but the sheer AP. He can literally atomize her, probably on a quantum level since he's producing 3-C force with multi dimensional range passively.
Hax wouldn't effect her because she has 1-A resistance but that doesn't save her from being reduced to atoms.
They are not passive but if she uses it she can kill Yhwach even with the Almighty since it's 1-A (Disagree with it but oh well.) but she won't get the chance since she'll be turned into atoms just by being exposed to 3-C force.
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I looked on old threads and all of them say its a matter of soul manipulation
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Ah shit. I just remembered every Nasu soul is higher D lmao
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this thread is pointless then
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Again, for the 800th time. Soul Manipulation is only one aspect, literally how many times do I need to tell you this for you to actually comprehend what I'm saying?
It's literal force that Shinigami and some Quincy such as Yhwach produce passively so the pressure doesn't build up inside them and blow them up. Aizen literally did this while he had his reiatsu sealed to a small area. Furthermore, Reiatsu is accepted as being able to effect the mind, soul and body. So while she can resist the first two, she can't resist her body being turned into atoms by the sheer AP difference.
Yhwach passively experts reiatsu on a 3-C scale, which effects the mind, soul and body. Again she can resist the esoteric abilities such as mind and soul manipulation but she doesn't have an answer for 3-C force being passively appiled to her.
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It's not, the lad literally doesn't know how to actually understand what's being told to me.
"Reiatsu crush is just soul manipulation! Source? I made it up because I don't read Bleach."
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literally every target of a reiatsu crush has been a soul, there's no evidence to show it works on physical bodies
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So you really just gonna keep ignoring shit to benefit your own agenda huh?
It's like someone tells you something then two seconds later it goes out the other ear. Again, not the case nor is it accepted as such. Reiatsu crush is currently accepted as having effects on the mind, body and soul. Keyword, body.
If you disagree then make a CRT but if you continue to ignore what's accepted on the profiles while simultaneously spreading misinformation I'm going to report you. This is getting increasingly annoying having to explain things to you, only for you to ignore what's accepted and inserting your own opinions instead.
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I am literally checking the profiles and all of them say either soul manipulation or ee.
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No you literally aren't because for most characters reiatsu crush isn't even included in their P&A's outside of Aizen who's a special case.
Yhwach literally uses his to physically effect 3 realms. Clouds have been spilt by reiatsu flares, the surrounding have been damaged by it, etc. So your either acting blind or ignorant intentionally.
For the last and final time, it's not just soul manipulation. It's accepted as being able to effect the mind, soul and body. No but really keep up with misinformation and see if you don't get reported because it's getting real old, real quick.
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"Reiatsu Crush" isn't an actual "ability" perse, it's just the physical expression of one's Reiryoku in the form of an aura. It has two notable effects, it can apply esoteric properties onto people through Soul Manipulation; be it soul destruction, fear etc. It also produces an inherent physical force since Reishi of high enough density becomes physical tangible, it's why Shinigami, Hollows etc can be physically interacted with by those even without spiritual powers, because their Reishi is dense enough to become tangible. Yhwach's Reishi, which constitutes his Reiatsu, would absolutely possess enough density with it to physically affect things with its mass rather than just through its more esoteric abilities.
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is it instant though? because if it isnt, shiki can just pull out kanesada kuji to dispel it, or stab it with her knife or something to kill it, especially since she resists all the other effects.
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Funny thing is, for god tier characters in bleach they actually have to make a conscious effort not to constantly crush people around them with RC the moment they step in to their sphere of influence.
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Also to say Reiatsu Crush is just soul manipulation is fundamentally not correct at all.
The very reason why Aizen has mid-godly is very proof of this...
The very reason why Aizen has mid-godly is very proof of this...
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contradicts nothing, in bleach, everything is made of reiatsu, aka soul energy
However, souls work much differently in the nasuverse. The body is more like an avatar of the soul, the soul isnt directly inside the body.
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It's instant, again its just force being expelled from their bodies. And yes, if a 3-C force hits a 6-C character they'll be instantly reduced to beyond atoms.
Again this happens just by Yhwach existing. This isn't a very particular good match up to be frank, it's either Yhwach passively turns her into atoms by pure force alone or she cuts his concepts.
With all due respect I think you ought to give matches more thought for future reference. Like this one is a stomp either way, then you did Goku vs Shiki, which made no thematic sense whatsoever. I can think of at least 8 separate MU's for Shiki that actually makes sense.
Next thing you know your gonna make full power Gilgamesh vs Buggy the Clown.
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No? Reishi is the fundamental component that composes everything in bleach. Reiatsu is the tangible exertion of reiryoku.
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Lmao I just realized that he's the dude that made the thread like wuh???? O_____o
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You literally got slammed on this topic by me and Deceived. Also that's not true at all, Reishi (not Reiatsu fyi.) is spiritual matter found in the Soul Realm. Kishi is normal matter that's found within the human realm.
Enough of you spreading misinformation simply because you do not understand Bleach mechanics.
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^^^^^
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Reishi still exists in the WOL, just much less of it.
Its hard to understand something that has no page.
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Again, Reishi and Kishi are two different things.
It doesn't really need a page whenever you can look it up, or alternatively you could like ya know. Just simply ask one of the Bleach supporters a question rather than assuming (incorrectly.) how things in Bleach work.
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Then why do you keep assuming how Reiatsu Crush works and ignoring when two separate users explain it to you?
Or better yet, why make a match about a character you know nothing about?
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because thats how it's been stated to work in past threads.
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Deceived and LGS are one of the most frequent bleach supporters in vs threads and they've never once claimed RC is solely soul manip so idk who "statement" you got that from...
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Regarding Bleach's Soul Crush In VS Match Ups
Not really an issue with the lower tier characters, but this issue has always happened in almost every VS Thread regarding the God Tiers (Ichigo, Aizen, Yhwach, Soul King). Now obviously, in order to make a fair match up, the characters we put them against, need to have a higher level of...
Bleach Questions: Reiatsu Crush, and the Relevance of AP, Durability, and Verse Equalization
In a recent thread, it was suggested by multiple proponents of the Bleach 'verse that reiatsu crush could ignore an AP/Durability advantage, even one as severe as the gap between 5-C and 5-B (the particulars involved End of Series Aizen versus Boruto-era Sasuke Uchiha). The same proponents of...
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Its an attack on the soul, which wont work on nasuverse characters, for.. reasons i already stated. Yhwach would have better luck punching her or using his other attacks than using reiatsu crush
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Both of those threads are no longer valid.
Reiatsu Crush is not simply soul manipulation. Stop.Spreading.Misinformation.For.The.Last.Time.
Literally how ignorant are you? Me and Deceived literally told you the mechanics how many times now? I'm like seriously on the verge of throwing a Bleach book at your head, maybe you'd understand that way.
Reiatsu Crush is not simply soul manipulation. Stop.Spreading.Misinformation.For.The.Last.Time.
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As of what thread?
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