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Senran Kagura gets upgraded for real!

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TheRustyOne said:
I'll take the Supersonic calc into account when updating my sandbox.
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One of the perception values, 1.37142857142857E-03 s, is just 1.17216x shy from perception for Supersonic+, considering that Mirai percieved the tank round kinda casually and is starting out as a shinobi, could we make the case that Senran Kagura is Supersonic+? At least we can say from the calc is that the bullet ping pong ball statement is not hyperbole considering that they can percieve tank fire.
 
No, for Daidouji level characters I can agree with upscaling but not for everyone single person.

Since Daidouji is considered to be overwhelming. Actually can I get a scan for that statement, so I can have it on the profile?
 
TheRustyOne said:
Actually can I get a scan for that statement, so I can have it on the profile?
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For which statement? For the Super Secret Ninja Scroll and Engetsu?

Also, I thought more than a 1.2x difference was unacceptable?

Also, at least with the perception calc, I don't have to worry about my new ping pong calc getting nuked
 
No Daidouji's speed statement, I already have the Ninja Scroll statement... just haven't added it yet.

Her profile states. "She is described as having overwhelming speed compared to other Hanzo students" I'd like to get a scan of the statement so I can link it.

Mirai's speed increase is unquantifiable, there's no guaranty that she even got faster or if she did by how much. If there is a statement that said she was MUCH faster than before, I'd be okay with it. But we don't take chances based on nothing. Her just starting doesn't mean much for upscaling.
 
Phooey... Well she has feats of being superior to them by a lot, she's casually held off all five them at once so it doesn't matter all that much.
 
I think I can say that the conclusions from this thread fall apart now because seeing as the characters have perception in at least the higher end of Supersonic, and the muzzle velocities of the guns the characters use are known, I can confidently say that the bullet ping pong ball statement is not as vague as we thought
 
You know, I'm actually temped to try halving the values for Mirai's perception because her bullet had to travel through her own gunbrella's barrel first
 
On the spreadsheet for my calculation, decided to try multiplying the barrel times by 2/7 (which removes the frame of Mirai gunbrella starting to shoot) and I got Supersonic+ results. Not sure if this works or not
 
Just to ask, could the names of Daidouji, Ikaruga, Mirai, Ryona, Ryobi, Ryoki be changed to Daidōji, Ikaruga (Senran Kagura), Mirai (Senran Kagura), Ryōna, Ryōbi, and Ryōki?
 
I just calced for one of the small Orochi heads, and got 9-B+ result, not anything impressive fso far that's for sure
 
Tell me here if you need something more evaluated.
 
I actually brought up your calc with a calc group member, and what I said beforehand still applies.

The calc breaks our Lifting Strength rules, as Yomi didn't lift the machine with a pulling or pushing motion. She used an explosion to send it flying, or in the case of other characters they strike at the machine with their attacks which cause it to fly up as well. Striking Strength and not Lifting Strength.
 
TheRustyOne said:
She used an explosion to send it flying, or in the case of other characters they strike at the machine with their attacks which cause it to fly up as well.
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What explosion? That was a visual effect like what I brought up for Naraku appearing to appearing break the sound barrier. Using frame by frame Yomi definitely did toss the robot up with her sword
 
I'll even bring up the quote I'm talking about
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That's just flashy effects for her attack. Unless we have evidence of the contrary we cannot use that as 100% proof that she breaks the sound barrier with that attack.
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The same logic can be applied to Yomi
 
I'm playing Burst right now and Yomi's launch attack is using an explosion/blast from her arm cannon. What are you talking about?

It's a projectile. And that wasn't even the issue.

She never lifts anything, she sends it flying with her attacks. Which isn't lifting strength and cannot be used. Striking with her sword isn't lifting strength, she's attack with her sword which sends them flying, that is striking strength. Which cannot be used to find lifting strength.

"While Striking Strength measures the energy of a character's physical attacks, Lifting Strength measures the amount of mass they can lift, which is determined by the amount of force a character can produce. This means that they measure two different physical quantities. Furthermore it can't be assumed that a character that can physically produce the amount of energy used in lifting an object by a certain height can also lift it, if it didn't demonstrate the ability to produce that level of Lifting Strength. It is a common feature within fiction to feature characters capable of vastly greater physical striking strength energy outputs than what would be required to lift weights that they are repeatedly shown to struggle with."
 
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TheRustyOne said:
I actually brought up your calc with a calc group member, and what I said beforehand still applies.

The calc breaks our Lifting Strength rules, as Yomi didn't lift the machine with a pulling or pushing motion. She used an explosion to send it flying, or in the case of other characters they strike at the machine with their attacks which cause it to fly up as well. Striking Strength and not Lifting Strength.
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Okay. Never mind then. My apologies about the unnecessary notification.
 
This is a lifting feat, right? She isn't using her arm canon here and is definitely pushing the woman to make her fly up

Otherwise, I'll just calc her lifting weights in the opening
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. Never mind then. My apologies about the unnecessary notification.
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No problem.
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
This is a lifting feat, right? She isn't using her arm canon here and is definitely pushing the woman to make her fly up

Otherwise, I'll just calc her lifting weights in the opening
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Her lifting weights would be perfect, I was actually thinking of doing myself if I had the time but you're free to do it.

Also your link is to a 29 minute video and I'm not sitting through that all for one moment. I assume you just forgot to link the time.
 
I actually showed her launching like that in my gif, and as I said that is a striking feat. A pushing or pulling feat is motion that happens for long period of time. She stabs forward and it sends them flying back, which is a striking strength feat.

The most common material for dumbbells to be made are cast iron or stainless steel. They have rubber too, but that is for grip and not for the weight. Cast Iron is the oldest method, but steel should be just as fine to use.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Still, strikes are a value of force over a distance, in accordance to Newton's 3rd law any energy or force output must be equal to the energy or force input.
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We do not accept strikes as lifting strength period. We use to do for MHA a long time ago, but we had to remove those feats and have actual lifting feats.

Read this thread.
 
I understand the want to make sure that any LS feats are actual lifting feats, but at the same time I don't wish to violate Newton's 3rd law, basic Occum's Razor after all. And besides, she does an arial rave on that large woman which would require her to counter-act the acceleration of gravity making Yomi's LS at least (Mass of Large Woman)*9.8

And also, we accepted this, what makes Yomi's feat give pause?

Edit: I will also say that, I know my LS calc for the castle was rejected too, but I could understand that it happened at a distance from the two characters, so you can't exactly use it. Yomi's feat this is more blatant
 
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Naraku isn't striking, swinging is a part of lifting strength on this site. Yomi is stabbing forward and sending them flying, which is striking.

Crushing, pushing, pulling, and swinging are accepted as lifting strength. In fiction it's common for people to have high striking strength values, and can even lift objects with that strike. But struggle to lift something with actual lifting strength. Striking something up in the air doesn't equal lifting strength.

Simple physics, the motion and muscle fibers being used by these characters are done in completely different ways. It's way striking doesn't equal lifting.

If you have an issue with site rules, make a thread about it. I don't see what point you're making here, you think complaining here is just going to magically change wiki rules? If you want something to change make a thread and see if people agree or disagree with you. I don't want any part of it though.
 
Should I unfollow this thread again?
 
A lifting feat has to be a continuous motion, stabbing them and causing them to fly upward from the stab is not lifting strength but striking. If she was carrying the machine on her blade and tossed it up, not with a stab but with a swing than that could be something.

She didn't lift, she stabbed it with enough force to send it flying upward. Impacts are striking strength and not lifting. Holding a sword instead of punching doesn't change it.

I really can't take this anymore, so I think I'm done discussing this particular feat.

Apologies but this is bad for me, and I don't want to make myself do something I'll heavily regret.
 
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