Sekizo 5 times speed multipler

[BlackeJan]

@Sigurd

An increase in speed is necessarily an increase in AP in any case that follows physics, so I would say yes it amps the striking of the user.

In general to all others in this thread:

This is, word for word, what the databook states for the 'speed amp' portion of Sekizo. That is it.

Now let's look at what Rock Lee states about the Sekizo

The user's speed shifts up 1-to-5 times. There are 1-to-5 steps of speed.

This is so fundamentally simplistic to understand. It shouldn't need a thread going beyond 5 comments even to point out the obvious: it's not a multiplier, it's just like shifting gears in a car.

Did U just LITERALLY ignore times? Yur right, it shouldn't take even beyond 5 comments to know that when someone says "times" that it mean multiplier. U might wanna stop, the donwplay is showing

 

[Damage3245]

'Times' as in the amount of times the speed is shifted up.

Not 'Guy's base speed is multiplied five times'.

 

[Rocker1189]

'Times' as in the amount of times the speed is shifted up.
Not 'Guy's base speed is multiplied five times'.

which does not matter as the first level is his base speed. I would be 5 times that anyway as logically each level increases by the same amount.

 

[BlackeJan]

Goodness grac-TIMES IS STILL SAYING OF A MULTIPLIER. We learn this in school. I'm sorry but I don't know if yur trying to win this argument or just wanting to throw logic right out the window

 

[AstralKing7]

Damage are u ignoring the fact of who's speed it belongs to? When it said speed shifted we have to use his base speed which is normal interpretation skills. We don't just assume any speed is boosted.

 

[Damage3245]

@Rocker1189; that's only if you assume that each increase is speed is just adding his base speed on top of itself, which isn't what is specified.

Saying it 'logically increases by the same amount' doesn't mean anything unless you actually demonstrate the logic supporting it.

 

[Paul_Frank]

You are missing what damage is saying

He is saying it is shifted up 5 times

As in his speed increases once then twice then thrice then 4 times then 5 times.

That doesn't mean by the 5th step his speed is 5x base his speed could be shifted up by .05x his base speed for all we know

 

[Rocker1189]

@Rocker1189; that's only if you assume that each increase is speed is just adding his base speed on top of itself, which isn't what is specified.
Saying it 'logically increases by the same amount' doesn't mean anything unless you actually demonstrate the logic supporting it.

It does not need to be specified, all you need is your brain to understand that each level would be the same. Does not need much thought besides that.

The burden of proof is on you to say that the level are different.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Seems like the Kaguya "Exponential" increase issue there was a couple months ago.

 

[The_Causality]

Someone call Kaltias or an admin to finish this quickly, i really don't want to see another 200+ comments about a single statement from naruto

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Another question, wouldn't you need his 8 gates multiplier to get his base speed in that form?

 

[Rocker1189]

You are missing what damage is saying
He is saying it is shifted up 5 times

As in his speed increases once then twice then thrice then 4 times then 5 times.

That doesn't mean by the 5th step his speed is 5x base

well for 1 I am 100 percent sure that is not what he is saying. Oh and using what you are saying that would def lead to sub-relav at the max.

what he is saying is that each 1 us an addition of an unkown amount to his base.

What I am sayign is that each 1 is an addtion of his base, since the first level is his base. And the 5th one is 5 times that.

 

[Jvando]

Not unless you use absolute lowball (base) and say at least

 

[Damage3245]

You are missing what damage is saying
He is saying it is shifted up 5 times

As in his speed increases once then twice then thrice then 4 times then 5 times.

That doesn't mean by the 5th step his speed is 5x base his speed could be shifted up by .05x his base speed for all we know

Thank you Paul. That is essentially what I am saying.

 

[Rocker1189]

Another question, wouldn't you need his 8 gates multiplier to get his base speed in that form?

well apparently we are not using the 100x one, but we have been thinking of using the original 5 times multiplier from the first level iirc.

 

[Omimi]

@The Causality

i have just now

edit:Kaltias: I retired so i'm not evaluating CRTs anymore

so gotta ask some one else

 

[Jvando]

well apparently we are not using the 100x one, but we have been thinking of using the original 5 times multiplier from the first level iirc.

Or that....

 

[BlackeJan]

You are missing what damage is saying

He is saying it is shifted up 5 times

As in his speed increases once then twice then thrice then 4 times then 5 times.

That doesn't mean by the 5th step his speed is 5x base his speed could be shifted up by .05x his base speed for all we know

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't .05 basically saying 5?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

well apparently we are not using the 100x one, but we have been thinking of using the original 5 times multiplier from the first level iirc.

That doesn't make sense though, since this isn't the 1st gate making 5x completely random.

 

[Paul_Frank]

@blacke

.05 would be 5%

 

[Rocker1189]

That doesn't make sense though, since this isn't the 1st gate making 5x completely random.

nah, apparently ninja only use 20% of their real capabilities and the gates allows you to use 100% in other words 5 times.

 

[AstralKing7]

nah, apparently ninja only use 20% of their real capabilities and the gates allows you to use 100% in other words 5 times.

This

 

[BlackeJan]

@blacke

.05 would be 5%

Then that wouldn't give Guy a remote chance to even have speed to get to Madara lvl

 

[Rocker1189]

That doesn't mean by the 5th step his speed is 5x base his speed could be shifted up by .05x his base speed for all we know

A truly useless boost, you would have to really low ball to believe that he does not get at least 2 times his speed from his base using a 5 level increase.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Then that wouldn't give Guy a remote chance to even have speed to get to Madara lvl

Im not saying that is the number that his speed increses by. I was just giving a random number since we don't have an actual multiplier

 

[Rocker1189]

Im not saying that is the number that his speed increses by. I was just giving a random number since we don't have an actual multiplier

Please dont pretend you did not just give the lowest of low balls to imply that the increase is not anything significant.

 

[BlackeJan]

@Paul

I know it's not the exact but even thinking that it could be wouldn't make sense. It's clear that it's WAY above that

 

[Damage3245]

A truly useless boost, you would have to really low ball to believe that he does not get at least 2 times his speed from his base using a 5 level increase.
We don't have a reason to believe that each increase in speed is equal to his base speed.

Say if someone had a transformation and after transforming they said "My power and speed are greater now".

We don't automatically assume their stats doubled.

 

[Rocker1189]

We don't have a reason to believe that each increase in speed is equal to his base speed.

Say if someone had a transformation and after transforming they said "My power and speed are greater now".

We don't automatically assume their stats doubled.

If level 1 is his base, then it is definite. no reason to believe each level is lower without proof. If the person said, my power increases with 5 level from level 1 up to 5 times, then I am going to say that they are at least 5 times stronger at max levels.

Also Idk why you keep saying double lol. nothing is doubling past the 2nd level.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

nah, apparently ninja only use 20% of their real capabilities and the gates allows you to use 100% in other words 5 times.

I don't see how you're getting 5x boost in speed off of this.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Because the statement is not on that scan

 

[Rocker1189]

I don't see how you're getting 5x boost in speed off of this.

pretty sure you are usin the wrong scan, it does not even say any percentage here. Also I am not the person who has the details on it othe Naruto members do.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Because the statement is not on that sca

where is it from then? he mentioned the 1st gate which only releases mental restraints.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think he was talking with Neji about that, I am not sure and I dont know the chapter

 

[M3X_2.0]

this one and this one

Just in portuguese, as I said, I dont remember the chapter

 

[Elizhaa]

I will be honest the context of shift up sounds confusing for a Multipliers so I will think @Damage3245's and @Xulrev's points are more likely to be true.

Assuming, there are raw scans that better indicate Multipliers; I would agree with the OP.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@m3x
Here u go, chapter 52.

 

[Rocker1189]

I will be honest the context of shift up sounds confusing for a Multipliers so I will think @Damage3245's and @Xulrev's points are more likely to be true.
Assuming, there are raw scans that better indicate Multipliers; I would agree with the OP.

I thing my title is what has made it confusing, what I am saying is that according to Lee the first level is your base speed. It would stand to reason that each level would give the same boost as that until as he says 5 times.

 

[Xulrev]

100% agreed with Elizhaa; if there is an explicit statement of amps given for Sekizo, I'm in support of this.

Per both primary and secondary canon sources as-it-stands, however, it would be disingenous at the very best to place an arbitrary multiplier number on how much each Step of Sekizo amps the user's speed.

 

[Rocker1189]

100% agreed with Elizhaa; if there is an explicit statement of amps given for Sekizo, I'm in support of this.
Per both primary and secondary canon sources as-it-stands, however, it would be disingenous at the very best to place an arbitrary multiplier number on how much each Step of Sekizo amps the user's speed.

what is really disingenious is bekieve that each level for some reason would give boosts different to the level of the first, if each is a level it is clear that the boosts would be the same.