Haku minor fix part [𝟞]

[SageF]

Powers and Abilities: minor Transmutation and limited Viscosity Manipulation (Can alter that state of water to condense vaporous gases (Air Style) into liquid form (Water Style) to form it frost state (Ice Style) through cohesion and adhesion) make since because he can create ice mirrors outta thin air, Speed Amp and Self-Momentum - Acrobatics (Shown Here)

• Minor Sound Manipulation/Light Manipulation & Status Effect Inducement (Can confuse the opponent who has no way of knowing which mirrors contain the true reflection due to his mirroring reflective decoys leaving behind a source of sound)
  • possibly Enhanced status effect inducement and Minor Explosion Manipulation (can possibly create a flashbang through the refractive properties of his ice mirrors to blow and temporally blind Naruto)
• possibly Sonic Boom Generation via Shunshin no Jutsu (The anime version took that shockwave that Kakashi/Haku made and gave it a distinct sonic boom sound and feel) Which makes sense as Ice mirrors are depicted as granting their user elite speed within that universe.
• Extrasensory Perception (Shown Here)

Range description fix: Kilometers with Demonic Ice Crystal Mirrors (which can extend far into the of the sky which scale to sai ink bird in range)

 

[Nierre]

For starters, Haku doesn't even have an Edo Tensei key, but even if he did, why would he be possibly Unknown? He'd just scale to his Alive self (albeit weaker/less durable)

 

[SageF]

For starters, Haku doesn't even have an Edo Tensei key, but even if he why would he be possibly Unknown? He'd just scale to his Alive self (albeit weaker/less durable)

Edo Haku is like stone wall, he shown being alive and grabbing kakashi arm despite that lightning techniques being higher in AP, if that make sense.

 

[LordTracer]

All edo tensei Damage Reduction or Immense Pain Tolerance (Shown Here)

Pain Tolerance isn’t a valid power, it’s stamina, unless the character is proven to be incapable of feeling pain.

possibly unknown as a Edo Tensei (Can withstand being impaled by Kakashi's Raikiri, before being incapacitated by Zabuza's large sword)

He literally didn’t withstand it, he got impaled. That’s not a durability feat, that’s the Raikiri overcoming his durability.

 

[SageF]

Pain Tolerance isn’t a valid power, it’s stamina, unless the character is proven to be incapable of feeling pain.

He literally didn’t withstand it, he got impaled. That’s not a durability feat, that’s the Raikiri overcoming his durability.

Well the moment he was sliced by zabuza sword is when his durability completely flock on him... If you can get a hold to someone impaling you with that higher ap that endurance/damage reduction.

 

[LordTracer]

Well the moment he was sliced by zabuza sword is when his durability completely flock on him... If you can get a hold to someone impaling you with that higher ap that endurance/damage reduction.

It’s endurance, yes, aka stamina. It’s not a durability feat, and it’s definitely not Damage Reduction.

 

[Damage3245]

All edo tensei Damage Reduction or Immense Pain Tolerance (Shown Here)

I don't see the Damage Reduction here... Not sure if Pain Tolerance is the right word here since the Edo Tensei are mindless and don't react as normal.

minor transmutation and limited Viscosity Manipulation (Still doing some research),

Huh? So no scans?

 

[SageF]

It’s endurance, yes, aka stamina. It’s not a durability feat, and it’s definitely not Damage Reduction.

Super endurance is defined as enduring physical stresses beyond the capabilities of the greatest humans, enabling them to do things such as: tolerate extreme amounts of physical damage. Endurance is stamina+ durability.

 

[LordTracer]

Super endurance is defined as enduring physical stresses beyond the capabilities of the greatest humans, enabling them to do things such as: tolerate extreme amounts of physical damage. Endurance is stamina+ durability.

To quote from our own Durability page:

Many characters have been shown to survive attacks far above their durability, usually surviving with large injuries that others on their scale usually wouldn't survive. This is because of endurance, as they can endure a certain amount of pain regardless if the attack has burned them or sliced off limbs. This is not a durability factor, as this is a quality that is commonly attributed to willpower.

Haku getting impaled by Raikiri is not a durability feat for him, the fact that he got impaled means that the Raikiri’s AP was too much for his durability to handle.

 

[SageF]

I don't see the Damage Reduction here... Not sure if Pain Tolerance is the right word here since the Edo Tensei are mindless and don't react as normal.


Huh? So no scans?

I'm still reading to find that scan, basically haku is utilizing his ice releases and exploiting condensation through water vapor to liquid water to form the ice mirror affecting it cohesion on the ground but he had to lift it up later through flight mode.

 

[SageF]

To quote from our own Durability page:

Haku getting impaled by Raikiri is not a durability feat for him, the fact that he got impaled means that the Raikiri’s AP was too much for his durability to handle.

"Many characters have been shown to survive attacks far above their durability, usually surviving with large injuries that others on their scale usually wouldn't survive. This is because of endurance, as they can endure a certain amount of pain regardless if the attack has burned them or sliced off limbs. This is not a durability factor, as this is a quality that is commonly attributed to willpower." Okay yeah haku doesn't have pain resistance or higher durability but his still have willpower and the endurance to withstand the damage as a Edo Tensei unlike his alive state.

 

[LordTracer]

Okay yeah haku doesn't have pain resistance or higher durability but his still have willpower and the endurance to withstand the damage as a Edo Tensei unlike his alive state.

And that’d go in the stamina justification, like I said before (even though he already has Infinite stamina like every other Edo Tensei, so that’s kinda pointless).

 

[Damage3245]

"Many characters have been shown to survive attacks far above their durability, usually surviving with large injuries that others on their scale usually wouldn't survive. This is because of endurance, as they can endure a certain amount of pain regardless if the attack has burned them or sliced off limbs. This is not a durability factor, as this is a quality that is commonly attributed to willpower." Okay yeah haku doesn't have pain resistance or higher durability but his still have willpower and the endurance to withstand the damage as a Edo Tensei unlike his alive state.

Haku survived the damage because he's dead, not because of willpower.

 

[SageF]

Haku survived the damage because he's dead, not because of willpower.

Haha I know he has immortality as a Edo Tensei, him surviving is just a endurance/DR feat, since he was seen experiencing pain after being slice by the blade, he endured being impaled. Some Immortal can feel pain

 

[SageF]

Bump, I fix it, imma just let the DR slide.

 

[LordTracer]

Self-Momentum - Acrobatics (Shown Here)

Light/Sound/status effect inducement (can create a flashbang to blow and temporally blind Naruto)

Minor Space Manipulation (If the mirror the user is in is broken, they can leap out of one of the fragments and continue their attack or move to another mirror)

Resistance to Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis (Haku notes exactly how Sasuke was able to read him but was able to lure him in through speed and tactical thinking)

Attack Potency (Reacted and Clash with Zabuza)

All of these are using anime scans, which are invalid because the Naruto profiles are based on the manga.

Information Analysis & Information Preparation (Might possess the Body Elimination Jutsu which allows him to devise a countermeasure tactics after deriving his opponents weak point)

The scan you’ve added has nothing to do with Information Analysis or Preparation and is already on his profile in the Acupuncture justification, where it belongs.

Speed description fix: Speed of Light with Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals (He can reflect between the ice mirrors at the speed of light, making it impossible for his opponents to perceive him from his light speed attack)

This change seems pointless. The scans you’ve added don’t add anything new, and one of them is literally the exact same text as the scan that’s already on his profile.

Range description fix: higher with Shunshin no Jutsu, Kilometers with Demonic Ice Crystal Mirrors (which can extend far into the of the sky)

Shunshin doesn’t increase his range, and I don’t see why you’re changing his mirror range to Kilometers despite using the exact same scan that’s already on the page.

minor Concussive force (Via Ice Mirrors)

Concussive Force isn’t a power.

Dimensional Storage (Can merge his entire body with the Crystal Ice Mirrors)

This scan is dead.

 

[SageF]

All of these are using anime scans, which are invalid because the Naruto profiles are based on the manga.

The scan you’ve added has nothing to do with Information Analysis or Preparation and is already on his profile in the Acupuncture justification, where it belongs.

This change seems pointless. The scans you’ve added don’t add anything new, and one of them is literally the exact same text as the scan that’s already on his profile.

Shunshin doesn’t increase his range, and I don’t see why you’re changing his mirror range to Kilometers despite using the exact same scan that’s already on the page.

Concussive Force isn’t a power.

This scan is dead.

Yes all of those scans I'm using are from a anime, which isn't invalid because the Naruto profiles are based on the manga except I'm using a canonical episode and not a filler content, even trying to prove he was SoL require the anime scan. Plus his speed scan from the manga highlight that haku is agile enough to have self momentum, he has light/sound/status effect but the anime which is Canon went further describing it as a flashbang, what your thoughts on minors transmutation and viscosity control? Concussive force is just another word for minor shockwave. The ice mirror range scale closes to the flight of sai ink birds which is kilometers range.

 

[Nierre]

You should use manga scans regardless of whether or not the anime scenes are canon or not to the manga.

 

[LordTracer]

Yes all of those scans I'm using are from a anime, which isn't invalid because the Naruto profiles are based on the manga except I'm using a canonical episode and not a filler content,

Doesn’t matter, the profiles are for the manga, you can’t use the anime.

even trying to prove he was SoL require the anime scan.

It clearly doesn’t, because he’s already got Speed of Light on his profile with just the databook.

the anime which is Canon

It’s not.

Concussive force is just another word for minor shockwave

He doesn’t generate shockwaves in the scan you’ve posted.

The ice mirror range scale closes to the flight of sai ink birds which is kilometers range.

Can you prove that the range is Kilometers though?

 

[SageF]

So wouldn't that mean haku has a anime key and manga key?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So wouldn't that mean haku has a anime key and manga key?

No, because those are two different continuities as proven by the copious amount of filler, not to mention the way the Boruto Anime and Manga are different.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Pain Tolerance isn’t a valid power, it’s stamina, unless the character is proven to be incapable of feeling pain.

I think most profiles write Pain Tolerance while linking it to the Supernatural Willpower page, isn't it fine?

 

[SageF]

Also the SoL change is more of a "show not tell", all it is stating he's SoL without describing how it works unlike what I suggest. The only one that seem valid is the minor transmutation and viscosity manipulation and perhaps his range when I do some calculations.

 

[LordTracer]

I think most profiles write Pain Tolerance while linking it to the Supernatural Willpower page, isn't it fine?

Most profiles that write Pain Tolerance link it to the Resistance and Pain Manipulation pages, which they’re not supposed to do.

So wouldn't that mean haku has a anime key and manga key?

No, the manga and anime are different continuities.

Also the SoL change is more of a "show not tell", all it is stating he's SoL without describing how it works unlike what I suggest.

The current justification does describe how it works, he moves at the speed of light when he’s moving between the mirrors, and it links the databook explanation. The scans you want to add are unnecessary.

I’m neutral on the minor Transmutation (kinda hard to judge it off of a cropped scan without a chapter to reference).

 

[SageF]

Bumo

 

[SageF]

Bump

 

[SageF]

Bump, I'll edit if no one reply

 

[LordTracer]

Bump, I'll edit if no one reply

Do not edit the page, nothing has been accepted here.

 

[SageF]

I propose minor Transmutation and limited Viscosity Manipulation and the kilometer range update, the rest of the proposed abilities are likely ''possibly'' powers

 

[LordTracer]

minor Transmutation and limited Viscosity Manipulation

You still need to provide the chapter numbers for those scans.

the kilometer range update

I already rejected this.

Minor Sound Manipulation/Light Manipulation & Status Effect Inducement (Can confuse the opponent who has no way of knowing which mirrors contain the true reflection due to his mirroring reflective decoys leaving behind a source of sound

The last link doesn’t work, and this isn’t Status Effect Inducement. He’s not inflicting a status on his opponents,

• • possibly Enhanced status effect inducement and Minor Explosion Manipulation (can possibly create a flashbang through the refractive properties of his ice mirrors to blow and temporally blind Naruto)
• possibly Sonic Boom Generation via Shunshin no Jutsu (The anime version took that shockwave that Kakashi/Haku made and gave it a distinct sonic boom sound and feel) Which makes sense as Ice mirrors are depicted as granting their user elite speed within that universe.

You can’t use anime scans, you were already told this by multiple staff.

Extrasensory Perception (Shown Here)

He already has ESP.

 

[SageF]

You still need to provide the chapter numbers for those scans.

Naruto Vol. 3, Ch. 24

 

[SageF]

Bump

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I fully agree with LordTracer.

 

[Antvasima]

So have any of these suggested revisions been accepted, or has all of it been rejected?

 

[LordTracer]

I’m inclined to say it’s all rejected. As I’m looking into this, “Viscosity Manipulation” isn’t a power on the wiki, and Haku’s powers don’t actually involve adhesion like the OP is suggesting. And for Transmutation, I don’t think changing water into ice would qualify for that power, and it would just fall under a natural effect of Haku’s Ice Manipulation.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

Should we close this thread then?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

Should we close this thread then?

Yes, I believe so.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.