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All the characters will, and that's assuming the best case scenario. It's not a thing against Minato, the verse just has trash feats in general.
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See, we told you we were working on it! (Naruto Revision Part 1: Scaling)
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Does it tho? Does it really? And it's not everyone, you said it's just the 7-Bs, when he should really be grouped with the High 7-A+s.
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Yeah, yeah it does. Without wanked calcs, this is the best we can hope for.
Hehehe, maybe.
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To save the embarassment, might as well delete Minato's base key and keep him as KCM Minato.
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meh
I'll take that as a concession
Bruh
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It’s ok, Kurama is planetary on YouTube
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So we can take this 2 ways.Oh also a statement I thought of in a debate that I thought I'd bring up
#1, Minato's the strongest mf on the planet and no one can surpass him but Naruto
#2 Rasenshuriken training
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I don’t think Kakashi’s seen anyone that would be stronger than Minato at that point anyways. So the current scaling kinda takes it both ways.
I actually meant to collect the various statements of “Naruto can surpass Minato” from that arc but I forgot
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Imo, Base Minato>KCM Naruto
Why would it mean Rasenshuriken training specifically? It's not like Rasenshuriken is the only S ranked jutsu out there, so just being able to master it wouldn't make him the only shinobi capable of surpassing Minato.
Anyways obviously I'm not saying Minato is 5-C or anything like that, but he should be a high tier, not a mid tier.
He knows Ohnoki, Ay, Mei, and Gaara.
That does not guarantee they are not talking about AP.Let me give you context
I guarantee you they are not talking about AP.
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And then the Rasenshuriken is straight up stated to have power on Minato’s level lel
When did Kakashi ever meet Ōnoki, Mei or A at any point prior to the Akatsuki Suppression Arc? Also I’m pretty sure Kakashi never saw Kazekage Gaara in action soooooo
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In all honesty I did not foresee this CRT lasting more than 2 pages. I'm not complaining; just surprised.
Under different circumstances I feel like I'd normally be the main cause of the CRT lasting this long.
Under different circumstances I feel like I'd normally be the main cause of the CRT lasting this long.
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Tbf we’re almost done at this point, and we could probably finish by Sunday assuming nothing crazy happens.
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Rasenshuriken is an S Ranked Jutsu which combined peak levels of Shape Transformation with Nature Transformation, something Naruto and Minato didn't do.
Nobody's talking about S Ranked jutsu. We're talking about the complexity of the technique
Kakashi: Naruto could master Shape and Nature transformation
Powerscalers: Naruto can get stronger than Minato
Gahlee
So first it surpasses then it rivals.
Next imma see a scan that says it dwarfs Minato's strength
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Normally, I like a little chaos, but no.
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We have it as >= Minato for a reason forehead smh smh
But yes, I do agree that Kakashi’s statements there are not necessarily AP, but when Naruto actually whips out the Rasenshuriken, it is straight up said to be a display of power on the level of the Fourth Hokage soooooo
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A future revision that’ll probably happen, nothing to worry about yet.
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Minato would BODY the Sannin.
You guys are clowns
You guys are clowns
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Literally nobody said otherwise.
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Base Minato*
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I reiterate: literally nobody said otherwise.
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No clowns here
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Sorry, it's just meh to me
We have Minato scaling above Jiraiya right? Off of scaling above sick Hiruzen who can fight Orochi, who's ~ Jiraya.
Naruto during his Sage Mode training was hype for Jiraiya level strength.
"If it can make me as strong as Pervy Sage, I'll put up with anything!" And he only knows of base Jiraiya.
Minato says PA Naruto needs extraordinary strength to beat Tobi who he bodied with a single rasengan, yet we scale his rasenshuriken and all his regular stats are above him.
But Minato level strength is already in the palm of his hand?
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Yall are gonna hate me for this one
Also, I noticed we're scaling Neji to the Juubi.
What about scaling Sage Minato's dura to Juubi Madara for taking a kick? He has no antifeats.
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Display of power can mean more than one thing.
He's a veteran ninja that's travelled the world and done hundreds of missions. And I'm PRETTY sure he would know the fact that The Five Kage exist and have that in mind when making that statement. Besides, even if he's never met them in person, they're the literal leaders of the ninja world. He would know their reputation and stories of their power (which if anything could exaggerate beyond what they actually are as hype stories tend to do).
Complexity of technique is what determines rank.
He didn't say Naruto could surpass Minato in terms of jutsu, he said he could surpass him in general. Anyways even if we take this statement as Naruto being able to surpass him in terms of jutsu, there are many other people who have made techniques just as complex if not moreso than the Rasengan, so why would Kakashi say Naruto is the ONLY one who can surpass him?
Display: "a performance, show, or event intended for public entertainment." Having a display on par with Minato could just mean the scale of his jutsu is similar.
Weren't you just arguing with me about upgrading Minato a second ago? I mean, still appreciated, but ya know
But Minato was talking about PA Naruto who was "supposed" to have surpassed Minato in all physicals
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Really it’s moreso Minato > Orochimaru ≈ Jiraiya > Old Hiruzen
Naruto doesn’t really know how strong Minato is, so that first thing isn’t exactly a point against it.
Also if you look at Minato’s previous statements, the context is more “I sealed the Kyuubi inside you so you would have extraordinary power to fight Tobi.” Hell, Minato’s first sentence in that page is “I sealed half of the Nine-Tails’ chakra inside you…” He’s not saying “you need more strength to fight him.”
I’m gonna stop you right there. We are scaling his Kaiten’s durability AND ONLY HIS KAITEN’S DURABILITY to the Juubi. Literally the only feat it has is blocking a Juubi hand. Neji himself does not scale, only this specific defensive technique.
In the same page, Madara effortlessly yeets his arm off, aka, a blatant anti-feat. Come on now.
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So… no concrete evidence that he’s actually aware of what they’re capable of. You being “pretty sure” is not a valid argument, my guy.
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