See, we told you we were working on it! (Naruto Revision Part 1: Scaling)

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yo if Minato goes to High 7-C I will literally riot-

All the characters will, and that's assuming the best case scenario. It's not a thing against Minato, the verse just has trash feats in general.

 

[LordTracer]

All the characters will, and that's assuming the best case scenario. It's not a thing against Minato, the verse just has trash feats in general.

Unless we just have High 7-C mid tiers and 7-A Sannin tiers

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Unless we just have High 7-C mid tiers and 7-A Sannin tiers

Too optimistic for my liking lol. I don't wanna feed myself hope only to get disappointed again.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

All the characters will, and that's assuming the best case scenario. It's not a thing against Minato, the verse just has trash feats in general.

Does it tho? Does it really? And it's not everyone, you said it's just the 7-Bs, when he should really be grouped with the High 7-A+s.

 

[LordTracer]

He ain’t going past Sage Naruto, I hate to break the news to you

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Does it tho? Does it really?

Yeah, yeah it does. Without wanked calcs, this is the best we can hope for.

when he should really be grouped with the High 7-A+s.

Hehehe, maybe.

 

[Damage3245]

To save the embarassment, might as well delete Minato's base key and keep him as KCM Minato.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Next Revision, im calling it, Some Of Part 1 will be High 8-C

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He ain’t going past Sage Naruto, I hate to break the news to you

And that's why VSBW needs a content revision thread.

Yeah, yeah it does. Without wanked calcs, this is the best we can hope for.

Hehehe, maybe.

meh

I'll take that as a concession

To save the embarassment, might as well delete Minato's base key and keep him as KCM Minato.

Bruh

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Next Revision, im calling it, Some Of Part 1 will be High 8-C

Possibly less, but we'll see how some of the calcs turn out.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Lmao it appears as of late Nard is struggling to maintain any decent calcs, like Jesus Hashirama was High 6-A only yesterday.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Possibly less, but we'll see how some of the calcs turn out.

Lmao it appears as of late Nard is struggling to maintain any decent calcs, like Jesus Hashirama was High 6-A only yesterday.

Yeah, Juubito being Country level isn't good for my health.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Imo, Base Minato> Base Pre war Naruto

 

[Shadyboi0]

Possibly less, but we'll see how some of the calcs turn out.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah, Juubito being Country level isn't good for my health.

It’s ok, Kurama is planetary on YouTube

 

[KingTempest]

Oh also a statement I thought of in a debate that I thought I'd bring up

So we can take this 2 ways.

#1, Minato's the strongest mf on the planet and no one can surpass him but Naruto
#2 Rasenshuriken training

 

[LordTracer]

So we can take this 2 ways.

#1, Minato's the strongest mf on the planet and no one can surpass him but Naruto
#2 Rasenshuriken training

I don’t think Kakashi’s seen anyone that would be stronger than Minato at that point anyways. So the current scaling kinda takes it both ways.

I actually meant to collect the various statements of “Naruto can surpass Minato” from that arc but I forgot

 

[Shadyboi0]

So we can take this 2 ways.

#1, Minato's the strongest mf on the planet and no one can surpass him but Naruto
#2 Rasenshuriken training

2

 

[KingTempest]

I don’t think Kakashi’s seen anyone that would be stronger than Minato at that point anyways. So the current scaling kinda takes it both ways.

I actually meant to collect the various statements of “Naruto can surpass Minato” from that arc but I forgot

Let me give you context

I guarantee you they are not talking about AP.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Imo, Base Minato> Base Pre war Naruto

Imo, Base Minato>KCM Naruto

So we can take this 2 ways.

#1, Minato's the strongest mf on the planet and no one can surpass him but Naruto
#2 Rasenshuriken training

Why would it mean Rasenshuriken training specifically? It's not like Rasenshuriken is the only S ranked jutsu out there, so just being able to master it wouldn't make him the only shinobi capable of surpassing Minato.

Anyways obviously I'm not saying Minato is 5-C or anything like that, but he should be a high tier, not a mid tier.

I don’t think Kakashi’s seen anyone that would be stronger than Minato at that point anyways. So the current scaling kinda takes it both ways.

I actually meant to collect the various statements of “Naruto can surpass Minato” from that arc but I forgot

He knows Ohnoki, Ay, Mei, and Gaara.

Let me give you context

I guarantee you they are not talking about AP.

That does not guarantee they are not talking about AP.

 

[LordTracer]

I guarantee you they are not talking about AP.

And then the Rasenshuriken is straight up stated to have power on Minato’s level lel

He knows Ohnoki, Ay, Mei, and Gaara.

When did Kakashi ever meet Ōnoki, Mei or A at any point prior to the Akatsuki Suppression Arc? Also I’m pretty sure Kakashi never saw Kazekage Gaara in action soooooo

 

[Damage3245]

In all honesty I did not foresee this CRT lasting more than 2 pages. I'm not complaining; just surprised.

Under different circumstances I feel like I'd normally be the main cause of the CRT lasting this long.

 

[LordTracer]

Tbf we’re almost done at this point, and we could probably finish by Sunday assuming nothing crazy happens.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Release baubawang11, invite carnage, accept the chaos.

 

[KingTempest]

Why would it mean Rasenshuriken training specifically? It's not like Rasenshuriken is the only S ranked jutsu out there, so just being able to master it wouldn't make him the only shinobi capable of surpassing Minato.

Rasenshuriken is an S Ranked Jutsu which combined peak levels of Shape Transformation with Nature Transformation, something Naruto and Minato didn't do.

Nobody's talking about S Ranked jutsu. We're talking about the complexity of the technique

That does not guarantee they are not talking about AP.

Kakashi: Naruto could master Shape and Nature transformation
Powerscalers: Naruto can get stronger than Minato

Gahlee

And then the Rasenshuriken is straight up stated to have power on Minato’s level lel

So first it surpasses then it rivals.

Next imma see a scan that says it dwarfs Minato's strength

 

[LordTracer]

Release baubawang11, invite carnage, accept the chaos.

Normally, I like a little chaos, but no.

 

[LordTracer]

So first it surpasses then it rivals.

Next imma see a scan that says it dwarfs Minato's strength

We have it as >= Minato for a reason forehead smh smh

But yes, I do agree that Kakashi’s statements there are not necessarily AP, but when Naruto actually whips out the Rasenshuriken, it is straight up said to be a display of power on the level of the Fourth Hokage soooooo

 

[BlastX]

What's this talk about the 7-Bs becoming High 7-C? Did something happen?

 

[LordTracer]

What's this talk about the 7-Bs becoming High 7-C? Did something happen?

A future revision that’ll probably happen, nothing to worry about yet.

 

[BlastX]

I'm starting to think Naruto is cursed at this point if there's changes to the calcs and scaling and shit so frequently.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Minato would BODY the Sannin.
You guys are clowns

 

[LordTracer]

Minato would BODY the Sannin.
You guys are clowns

Literally nobody said otherwise.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Base Minato*

 

[LordTracer]

Base Minato*

I reiterate: literally nobody said otherwise.

 

[Shadyboi0]

You guys are clowns

No clowns here

 

[KingTempest]

We have it as >= Minato for a reason forehead smh smh

But yes, I do agree that Kakashi’s statements there are not necessarily AP, but when Naruto actually whips out the Rasenshuriken, it is straight up said to be a display of power on the level of the Fourth Hokage soooooo

Sorry, it's just meh to me

We have Minato scaling above Jiraiya right? Off of scaling above sick Hiruzen who can fight Orochi, who's ~ Jiraya.

Naruto during his Sage Mode training was hype for Jiraiya level strength.
"If it can make me as strong as Pervy Sage, I'll put up with anything!" And he only knows of base Jiraiya.

Minato says PA Naruto needs extraordinary strength to beat Tobi who he bodied with a single rasengan, yet we scale his rasenshuriken and all his regular stats are above him.

But Minato level strength is already in the palm of his hand?

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Yall are gonna hate me for this one

Also, I noticed we're scaling Neji to the Juubi.

What about scaling Sage Minato's dura to Juubi Madara for taking a kick? He has no antifeats.

 

[BlastX]

I mean, at the time the Rasenshuriken scaled above Naruto's normal AP so even if it's power rivaled Minato's it's still with only one attack (that was still dangerous to use and incomplete).

So I don't think it messed with things too much.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

And then the Rasenshuriken is straight up stated to have power on Minato’s level lel

When did Kakashi ever meet Ōnoki, Mei or A at any point prior to the Akatsuki Suppression Arc? Also I’m pretty sure Kakashi never saw Kazekage Gaara in action soooooo

Display of power can mean more than one thing.

He's a veteran ninja that's travelled the world and done hundreds of missions. And I'm PRETTY sure he would know the fact that The Five Kage exist and have that in mind when making that statement. Besides, even if he's never met them in person, they're the literal leaders of the ninja world. He would know their reputation and stories of their power (which if anything could exaggerate beyond what they actually are as hype stories tend to do).

Rasenshuriken is an S Ranked Jutsu which combined peak levels of Shape Transformation with Nature Transformation, something Naruto and Minato didn't do.

Nobody's talking about S Ranked jutsu. We're talking about the complexity of the technique

Kakashi: Naruto could master Shape and Nature transformation
Powerscalers: Naruto can get stronger than Minato

Gahlee

So first it surpasses then it rivals.

Next imma see a scan that says it dwarfs Minato's strength

Complexity of technique is what determines rank.

He didn't say Naruto could surpass Minato in terms of jutsu, he said he could surpass him in general. Anyways even if we take this statement as Naruto being able to surpass him in terms of jutsu, there are many other people who have made techniques just as complex if not moreso than the Rasengan, so why would Kakashi say Naruto is the ONLY one who can surpass him?

But yes, I do agree that Kakashi’s statements there are not necessarily AP, but when Naruto actually whips out the Rasenshuriken, it is straight up said to be a display of power on the level of the Fourth Hokage soooooo

Display: "a performance, show, or event intended for public entertainment." Having a display on par with Minato could just mean the scale of his jutsu is similar.

Sorry, it's just meh to me

We have Minato scaling above Jiraiya right? Off of scaling above sick Hiruzen who can fight Orochi, who's ~ Jiraya.

Naruto during his Sage Mode training was hype for Jiraiya level strength.
"If it can make me as strong as Pervy Sage, I'll put up with anything!" And he only knows of base Jiraiya.

Minato says PA Naruto needs extraordinary strength to beat Tobi who he bodied with a single rasengan, yet we scale his rasenshuriken and all his regular stats are above him.

But Minato level strength is already in the palm of his hand?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yall are gonna hate me for this one

Also, I noticed we're scaling Neji to the Juubi.

What about scaling Sage Minato's dura to Juubi Madara for taking a kick? He has no antifeats.

Weren't you just arguing with me about upgrading Minato a second ago? I mean, still appreciated, but ya know

I mean, at the time the Rasenshuriken scaled above Naruto's normal AP so even if it's power rivaled Minato's it's still with only one attack (that was still dangerous to use and incomplete).

So I don't think it messed with things too much.

But Minato was talking about PA Naruto who was "supposed" to have surpassed Minato in all physicals

 

[LordTracer]

We have Minato scaling above Jiraiya right? Off of scaling above sick Hiruzen who can fight Orochi, who's ~ Jiraya.

Really it’s moreso Minato > Orochimaru ≈ Jiraiya > Old Hiruzen

Naruto during his Sage Mode training was hype for Jiraiya level strength.
"If it can make me as strong as Pervy Sage, I'll put up with anything!" And he only knows of base Jiraiya.

Minato says PA Naruto needs extraordinary strength to beat Tobi who he bodied with a single rasengan, yet we scale his rasenshuriken and all his regular stats are above him.

But Minato level strength is already in the palm of his hand?

Naruto doesn’t really know how strong Minato is, so that first thing isn’t exactly a point against it.

Also if you look at Minato’s previous statements, the context is more “I sealed the Kyuubi inside you so you would have extraordinary power to fight Tobi.” Hell, Minato’s first sentence in that page is “I sealed half of the Nine-Tails’ chakra inside you…” He’s not saying “you need more strength to fight him.”

Yall are gonna hate me for this one

Also, I noticed we're scaling Neji to the Juubi.

I’m gonna stop you right there. We are scaling his Kaiten’s durability AND ONLY HIS KAITEN’S DURABILITY to the Juubi. Literally the only feat it has is blocking a Juubi hand. Neji himself does not scale, only this specific defensive technique.

What about scaling Sage Minato's dura to Juubi Madara for taking a kick? He has no antifeats.

In the same page, Madara effortlessly yeets his arm off, aka, a blatant anti-feat. Come on now.

 

[LordTracer]

He's a veteran ninja that's travelled the world and done hundreds of missions. And I'm PRETTY sure he would know the fact that The Five Kage exist and have that in mind when making that statement. Besides, even if he's never met them in person, they're the literal leaders of the ninja world. He would know their reputation and stories of their power (which if anything could exaggerate beyond what they actually are as hype stories tend to do).

So… no concrete evidence that he’s actually aware of what they’re capable of. You being “pretty sure” is not a valid argument, my guy.