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As mentioned by Thread, upgrades the UIU's Shark concept manipulation from 3 to 2 due to the claimed concepts to exist independently of the object it represents in the same Canon's dictionary is the Third Law hub. Also this could become one of the most metaphysically powerful type 2 concept (not range) due to the basic concepts in The Outside is Surreal unspace that devour and transcend both reality and unreality, eternity in most absolute sense and both completely lacking and transcendent its object as Matter to contain them or Mind to conceive them
"2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
"In Backdoor SoHo, a team of UIU thaumaturgy specialists cast the working they had been preparing, which was designed to destroy the Way connecting to the Museum of Illegal Art, casting it adrift into the Outside. Without any means of anchoring its reality, it would dissipate back into its abstract concepts."
Unseen and unheard, the Museum and all its collection exited reality."
"There is a burning cold that lurks beyond reality. An encompassing void that devours the real and unreal alike, giving birth to the surreal. It is a realm of unbound concepts, devoid of mind to conceive them or matter to contain them. It is, in the most absolute sense, eternity.
It is through this vast fullness that the Ways travel, flickering threads of reality crisscrossing the void to connect the disparate pocket universes that compose the multiverse. In a sea of abstractness, they form concrete ties that bind the worlds together.
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UIU's Shark Profile (Sorry i can't use Hyperlink now, so there will be some inconveniences)
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Should we also profile the "completely concepless" sphere and CNC (Paradoxical concept) ? And what kind of NEP will it issue to them? Type 2?
"2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The lack of absolutely everything to a state of nonexistence at a conceptual level. Such a state defies even the most basic logical principles and is unknowable in the truest form, as it is not a state at all. Such entities are typically presented as primordial voids or pure emptiness, or any abstract state which precedes or opposes the state of existence on all levels. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence."
Scaling to SCP-2719 because it is stated in the same article and Canon is able to define and modify the Concepts.
This also upgrade SCP-682's conceptual manipulation resistance to Type 2
Also Upgrade SCP-682's Regeneration and Nep to High-Godly and Type 2 because regen form earsed by SCP-3930 and exist within it after being wiped out as a non-existent entity that can interact and attack what exists
SCP-3930 should also upgrade to NEP type 2 due to its Void/Isn't nature and the opposite of Existence / Is that covers SCP-3812's infinite narrative layers stack (which contains concepts, Paradoxical Concepts and Completely Conceptless as outlined above and in SCP-3812's article itself in each layer, with the upper layers trivializing them as fiction). All are claimed by the same author of both aka Djkaktus (He has a small but also vast canon named Djkaktus verse that you can read through works like SCP-4840, SCP-001 Ouroboros especially The Way It Ends)
"2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
- Concept — A concept is the fundamental and ultimate encapsulation of the qualitative properties of a thing, and represents the basic unit of metaphysics. Concepts exist (metaphysically) independently of the things they describe, allowing for arbitrary manipulation of reality by modifying a thing's concepts.
- Metaphysics — The scientific study of concepts as independent and fundamental expressions of qualitative properties. Often considered a more rigorous and practical extension of the philosophical field of the same name, from which it derives much of its terminology.
- The Outside — The infinite void of conceptual unspace which surrounds and encompasses the multiverses. It is a realm of unbounded concepts, devoid of mind or matter, which defies rational comprehension or explanation.
- Deconceptualize — The process through which an object reverts to its base concepts, usually occurring as a result of unshielded exposure to the Outside.
"In Backdoor SoHo, a team of UIU thaumaturgy specialists cast the working they had been preparing, which was designed to destroy the Way connecting to the Museum of Illegal Art, casting it adrift into the Outside. Without any means of anchoring its reality, it would dissipate back into its abstract concepts."
Unseen and unheard, the Museum and all its collection exited reality."
"There is a burning cold that lurks beyond reality. An encompassing void that devours the real and unreal alike, giving birth to the surreal. It is a realm of unbound concepts, devoid of mind to conceive them or matter to contain them. It is, in the most absolute sense, eternity.
It is through this vast fullness that the Ways travel, flickering threads of reality crisscrossing the void to connect the disparate pocket universes that compose the multiverse. In a sea of abstractness, they form concrete ties that bind the worlds together.
Moving Pictures - SCP Foundation
The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.
scp-wiki.wikidot.com
UIU's Shark Profile (Sorry i can't use Hyperlink now, so there will be some inconveniences)
UIU File 2014-014
1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 References 4 Others Entity resembles a metaphysical shadow of a basking shark, and possesses a conceptuvorous diet. Formerly active within theThree Portlandsafter creation by the Associates of Apotheosis. First appeared at a quarry in Jurassic District, where it...
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Should we also profile the "completely concepless" sphere and CNC (Paradoxical concept) ? And what kind of NEP will it issue to them? Type 2?
"2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The lack of absolutely everything to a state of nonexistence at a conceptual level. Such a state defies even the most basic logical principles and is unknowable in the truest form, as it is not a state at all. Such entities are typically presented as primordial voids or pure emptiness, or any abstract state which precedes or opposes the state of existence on all levels. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence."
NEP Type 2
"Conceptually Null Clearsolid (CNC) : A rare substance similar in appearance and structure to glass, which primarily possesses the concept of having no concept. Conceptuvores are incapable of consuming it, due to the paradoxical conceptual property. Subjects that come onto physical contact with it will experience major conceptual changes and conceptual loss, which results in death. Inanimate objects and materials are not affected."
"Wait, so this is something like CNC?"
"Val leaned in and stared. "Conceptual structure?"
"Well, no. Conceptless."
"Like CNC "
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"An impossibility floated in the center of the decrepit room. Agent Danyal's eyes were fixed on it, ignoring the rusted paratech and concept-modifying devices around him. The sphere was colorless, if it could even be considered a sphere. Not white, not black, not transparent. It was the silhouette of a nonexistent color. His eyes turned to a wooden sign propped against a tangle of circuitry."
"The eyepiece focused on the silhouette and Danyal waited. Ennoiatheama, he called it. The ability to comprehend conceptual details. Normal objects were far too detailed to be understood without the risk of seizure, but basic conceptual structures — such as the eyepiece — had the absolute minimum information required for existence. The eyepiece stared, yet no data was retrieved. He hadn't collapsed to the ground, confirming that it was conceptual, but there had to be some information. The eyepiece focused again. The spherical appearance had to be in the details, even if there was nothing else. No data was retrieved.
"Well, it… It doesn't have any concepts," Danyal said.
"Wait, so this is something like CNC?"
"No paradoxical concepts in this. This has no concepts at all. If my parts are working right, though."
"…But it still exists."
"Hm."
They both stood, thinking about the situation. If a concept was necessary for existence, things that were conceptually null shouldn't physically or informationally be in reality. Based on the basking shark incidents the most that should be present would be a thin outline, a sign of what was lacking in reality. Yet there was no outline. It was a colorless nothing."
"Danyal walked into a hallway and Chester's conversation faded out. He was preoccupied with the informational glow. If it was part of the nothing it would've appeared in the data on it, so it had to be caused by the nothing. He'd been taught that this was impossible, and that anything within a universe had to be conceptual. Was it wrong? If vacuums can exist in nature, can an ontological vacuum exist? A hole in the real?"
"Val leaned in and stared. "Conceptual structure?"
"Well, no. Conceptless."
"Like CNC, or — "
"Completely conceptless."
"Shit." It was clear they didn't know what this exactly meant, but they had watched someone die from Conceptually Null Clearsolids. Anything with conceptless in the name was a bad sign, even if the specifics varied."
http://www.scpwiki.com/abstract-naught
"Conceptually Null Clearsolid (CNC) : A rare substance similar in appearance and structure to glass, which primarily possesses the concept of having no concept. Conceptuvores are incapable of consuming it, due to the paradoxical conceptual property. Subjects that come onto physical contact with it will experience major conceptual changes and conceptual loss, which results in death. Inanimate objects and materials are not affected."
- Conceptuvore — An entity that feeds on or consumes concepts.
- Counterconceptual — Something which is impossible to perceive or conceptualize. A paradoxical or incomprehensible concept.
"Wait, so this is something like CNC?"
"Val leaned in and stared. "Conceptual structure?"
"Well, no. Conceptless."
"Like CNC "
UIU File: 2014-014 - SCP Foundation
The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.
scp-wiki.wikidot.com
"An impossibility floated in the center of the decrepit room. Agent Danyal's eyes were fixed on it, ignoring the rusted paratech and concept-modifying devices around him. The sphere was colorless, if it could even be considered a sphere. Not white, not black, not transparent. It was the silhouette of a nonexistent color. His eyes turned to a wooden sign propped against a tangle of circuitry."
"The eyepiece focused on the silhouette and Danyal waited. Ennoiatheama, he called it. The ability to comprehend conceptual details. Normal objects were far too detailed to be understood without the risk of seizure, but basic conceptual structures — such as the eyepiece — had the absolute minimum information required for existence. The eyepiece stared, yet no data was retrieved. He hadn't collapsed to the ground, confirming that it was conceptual, but there had to be some information. The eyepiece focused again. The spherical appearance had to be in the details, even if there was nothing else. No data was retrieved.
"Well, it… It doesn't have any concepts," Danyal said.
"Wait, so this is something like CNC?"
"No paradoxical concepts in this. This has no concepts at all. If my parts are working right, though."
"…But it still exists."
"Hm."
They both stood, thinking about the situation. If a concept was necessary for existence, things that were conceptually null shouldn't physically or informationally be in reality. Based on the basking shark incidents the most that should be present would be a thin outline, a sign of what was lacking in reality. Yet there was no outline. It was a colorless nothing."
"Danyal walked into a hallway and Chester's conversation faded out. He was preoccupied with the informational glow. If it was part of the nothing it would've appeared in the data on it, so it had to be caused by the nothing. He'd been taught that this was impossible, and that anything within a universe had to be conceptual. Was it wrong? If vacuums can exist in nature, can an ontological vacuum exist? A hole in the real?"
"Val leaned in and stared. "Conceptual structure?"
"Well, no. Conceptless."
"Like CNC, or — "
"Completely conceptless."
"Shit." It was clear they didn't know what this exactly meant, but they had watched someone die from Conceptually Null Clearsolids. Anything with conceptless in the name was a bad sign, even if the specifics varied."
http://www.scpwiki.com/abstract-naught
Scaling to SCP-2719 because it is stated in the same article and Canon is able to define and modify the Concepts.
This also upgrade SCP-682's conceptual manipulation resistance to Type 2
Unknown Conceptual Paratechnology: A piece of handmade paratechnology used to alter metaphysical properties. It is constructed from a handheld Kant counter, a reality measuring device used by the SCP Foundation. It has been heavily modified with paratechnology identified as having been stolen from a variety of firms including Inditech, GRENadINES Inc. and the former Prometheus Labs. Object's central chamber contains multiple abstract-metaphysical construct pointers1 and at least one property editor tool. The object was formerly in the possession of the Associates of Apotheosis (hereafter AoA), a terrorist organization/cult active within the Three Portlands since the early 1980s, and associated with similar incidents. It is unknown how the device is operated, and is under active research.
STATE OF BEING
« UIU File: 2014-014 | Abstract Naught »
Footnotes
1. Quasi-physical conceptual constructs with the potential to define and change concepts.
STATE OF BEING
« UIU File: 2014-014 | Abstract Naught »
Footnotes
1. Quasi-physical conceptual constructs with the potential to define and change concepts.
Also Upgrade SCP-682's Regeneration and Nep to High-Godly and Type 2 because regen form earsed by SCP-3930 and exist within it after being wiped out as a non-existent entity that can interact and attack what exists
SCP-3930 should also upgrade to NEP type 2 due to its Void/Isn't nature and the opposite of Existence / Is that covers SCP-3812's infinite narrative layers stack (which contains concepts, Paradoxical Concepts and Completely Conceptless as outlined above and in SCP-3812's article itself in each layer, with the upper layers trivializing them as fiction). All are claimed by the same author of both aka Djkaktus (He has a small but also vast canon named Djkaktus verse that you can read through works like SCP-4840, SCP-001 Ouroboros especially The Way It Ends)
Item: SCP-3930
Access Granted
Tissue Test Record:
SCP-682's tissue was brought into the void, and ceased existing.
Termination Test Record:
SCP-682 is introduced to SCP-3930, and successfully ceases existing. However, despite SCP-682 no longer existing, Foundation personnel still perceive SCP-682. When the entity is looked at, a vivid image or memory is recalled in the brain of personnel that is described as resembling the appearance of SCP-682. This entity has been observed "attacking" personnel, killing them, despite the fact that SCP-682 does not exist during these attacks. It should be noted that personnel killed in this manner died when their brains ceased to function, despite the appearance of "physical damage" occurring on their bodies. All destruction caused by this entity becomes "real", even if the entity that caused it didn't. 15 hours later, SCP-682 was found within its containment chamber. It is unknown how SCP-682 managed to gain existence after this incident.
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But this process isn't perfect, just like we're not, so errors begin to form. As more and more of those errors build up, residual consciousness accumulates on the edge of the void. This consciousness isn't real, but it feels real, for both us an the consciousness itself. At small enough values, this consciousness isn't strong enough to draw conclusions about its own quasi existence. But if more begins to build up, and it realizes the paradox of its very being (or lack thereof), it suffers immensely. It begins to scream, and it begins to hate, and it hates nothing more than us. Not only are we the ones who made it real enough to experience this horror, but we're also very real. That envy and that malevolence only makes the hate stronger. Thus, a pattern screamer is born.
So much of this is tied into the sort of djkaktus brand hierarchy of the SCPverse. In 3812 I talk at length about how reality looks as you ascend it, but this (and, to a certain extent, 3000) are about what's at the bottom. Reality rests on an endless void, and between that void and what can be considered real is the hard line between what is, and what isn't. We are what is, and the void (and anything that passes beyond it) and, again, to a certain extent Anantashesha, are what isn't. Pattern screamers are the film that forms between those two things. They neither are, or are not. They're not real enough to self actualize, but not unreal enough so as to not exist and thus not have any agency in the narrative.
Djkaktus
http://www.scpwiki.com/forum/t-4760396/scp-3930 (5)
Access Granted
Tissue Test Record:
SCP-682's tissue was brought into the void, and ceased existing.
Termination Test Record:
SCP-682 is introduced to SCP-3930, and successfully ceases existing. However, despite SCP-682 no longer existing, Foundation personnel still perceive SCP-682. When the entity is looked at, a vivid image or memory is recalled in the brain of personnel that is described as resembling the appearance of SCP-682. This entity has been observed "attacking" personnel, killing them, despite the fact that SCP-682 does not exist during these attacks. It should be noted that personnel killed in this manner died when their brains ceased to function, despite the appearance of "physical damage" occurring on their bodies. All destruction caused by this entity becomes "real", even if the entity that caused it didn't. 15 hours later, SCP-682 was found within its containment chamber. It is unknown how SCP-682 managed to gain existence after this incident.
Experiment Log T-98816-OC108/682 - SCP Foundation
The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.
www.scpwiki.com
But this process isn't perfect, just like we're not, so errors begin to form. As more and more of those errors build up, residual consciousness accumulates on the edge of the void. This consciousness isn't real, but it feels real, for both us an the consciousness itself. At small enough values, this consciousness isn't strong enough to draw conclusions about its own quasi existence. But if more begins to build up, and it realizes the paradox of its very being (or lack thereof), it suffers immensely. It begins to scream, and it begins to hate, and it hates nothing more than us. Not only are we the ones who made it real enough to experience this horror, but we're also very real. That envy and that malevolence only makes the hate stronger. Thus, a pattern screamer is born.
So much of this is tied into the sort of djkaktus brand hierarchy of the SCPverse. In 3812 I talk at length about how reality looks as you ascend it, but this (and, to a certain extent, 3000) are about what's at the bottom. Reality rests on an endless void, and between that void and what can be considered real is the hard line between what is, and what isn't. We are what is, and the void (and anything that passes beyond it) and, again, to a certain extent Anantashesha, are what isn't. Pattern screamers are the film that forms between those two things. They neither are, or are not. They're not real enough to self actualize, but not unreal enough so as to not exist and thus not have any agency in the narrative.
Djkaktus
http://www.scpwiki.com/forum/t-4760396/scp-3930 (5)
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