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SCP revision thread with Some BIG concept, NEP , regen stuff of SCP

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As mentioned by Thread, upgrades the UIU's Shark concept manipulation from 3 to 2 due to the claimed concepts to exist independently of the object it represents in the same Canon's dictionary is the Third Law hub. Also this could become one of the most metaphysically powerful type 2 concept (not range) due to the basic concepts in The Outside is Surreal unspace that devour and transcend both reality and unreality, eternity in most absolute sense and both completely lacking and transcendent its object as Matter to contain them or Mind to conceive them

"2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.

  • Concept — A concept is the fundamental and ultimate encapsulation of the qualitative properties of a thing, and represents the basic unit of metaphysics. Concepts exist (metaphysically) independently of the things they describe, allowing for arbitrary manipulation of reality by modifying a thing's concepts.
  • Metaphysics — The scientific study of concepts as independent and fundamental expressions of qualitative properties. Often considered a more rigorous and practical extension of the philosophical field of the same name, from which it derives much of its terminology.
  • The Outside — The infinite void of conceptual unspace which surrounds and encompasses the multiverses. It is a realm of unbounded concepts, devoid of mind or matter, which defies rational comprehension or explanation.
  • Deconceptualize — The process through which an object reverts to its base concepts, usually occurring as a result of unshielded exposure to the Outside.
http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/third-law-hub


"In Backdoor SoHo, a team of UIU thaumaturgy specialists cast the working they had been preparing, which was designed to destroy the Way connecting to the Museum of Illegal Art, casting it adrift into the Outside. Without any means of anchoring its reality, it would dissipate back into its abstract concepts."

Unseen and unheard, the Museum and all its collection exited reality."


"There is a burning cold that lurks beyond reality. An encompassing void that devours the real and unreal alike, giving birth to the surreal. It is a realm of unbound concepts, devoid of mind to conceive them or matter to contain them. It is, in the most absolute sense, eternity.

It is through this vast fullness that the Ways travel, flickering threads of reality crisscrossing the void to connect the disparate pocket universes that compose the multiverse. In a sea of abstractness, they form concrete ties that bind the worlds together.


UIU's Shark Profile (Sorry i can't use Hyperlink now, so there will be some inconveniences)


Should we also profile the "completely concepless" sphere and CNC (Paradoxical concept) ? And what kind of NEP will it issue to them? Type 2?

"2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The lack of absolutely everything to a state of nonexistence at a conceptual level. Such a state defies even the most basic logical principles and is unknowable in the truest form, as it is not a state at all. Such entities are typically presented as primordial voids or pure emptiness, or any abstract state which precedes or opposes the state of existence on all levels. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence."


NEP Type 2


"Conceptually Null Clearsolid (CNC) : A rare substance similar in appearance and structure to glass, which primarily possesses the concept of having no concept. Conceptuvores are incapable of consuming it, due to the paradoxical conceptual property. Subjects that come onto physical contact with it will experience major conceptual changes and conceptual loss, which results in death. Inanimate objects and materials are not affected."

  • Conceptuvore — An entity that feeds on or consumes concepts.
  • Counterconceptual — Something which is impossible to perceive or conceptualize. A paradoxical or incomprehensible concept.
"Well, it… It doesn't have any concepts," Danyal said.

"Wait, so this is something like CNC?"


"Val leaned in and stared. "Conceptual structure?"

"Well, no. Conceptless."

"Like CNC "



"An impossibility floated in the center of the decrepit room. Agent Danyal's eyes were fixed on it, ignoring the rusted paratech and concept-modifying devices around him. The sphere was colorless, if it could even be considered a sphere. Not white, not black, not transparent. It was the silhouette of a nonexistent color. His eyes turned to a wooden sign propped against a tangle of circuitry."

"The eyepiece focused on the silhouette and Danyal waited. Ennoiatheama, he called it. The ability to comprehend conceptual details. Normal objects were far too detailed to be understood without the risk of seizure, but basic conceptual structures — such as the eyepiece — had the absolute minimum information required for existence. The eyepiece stared, yet no data was retrieved. He hadn't collapsed to the ground, confirming that it was conceptual, but there had to be some information. The eyepiece focused again. The spherical appearance had to be in the details, even if there was nothing else. No data was retrieved.

"Well, it… It doesn't have any concepts," Danyal said.

"Wait, so this is something like CNC?"

"No paradoxical concepts in this. This has no concepts at all. If my parts are working right, though."

"…But it still exists."

"Hm."

They both stood, thinking about the situation. If a concept was necessary for existence, things that were conceptually null shouldn't physically or informationally be in reality. Based on the basking shark incidents the most that should be present would be a thin outline, a sign of what was lacking in reality. Yet there was no outline. It was a colorless nothing."


"Danyal walked into a hallway and Chester's conversation faded out. He was preoccupied with the informational glow. If it was part of the nothing it would've appeared in the data on it, so it had to be caused by the nothing. He'd been taught that this was impossible, and that anything within a universe had to be conceptual. Was it wrong? If vacuums can exist in nature, can an ontological vacuum exist? A hole in the real?"

"Val leaned in and stared. "Conceptual structure?"

"Well, no. Conceptless."

"Like CNC, or — "

"Completely conceptless."

"Shit." It was clear they didn't know what this exactly meant, but they had watched someone die from Conceptually Null Clearsolids. Anything with conceptless in the name was a bad sign, even if the specifics varied."

http://www.scpwiki.com/abstract-naught

Scaling to SCP-2719 because it is stated in the same article and Canon is able to define and modify the Concepts.
This also upgrade SCP-682's conceptual manipulation resistance to Type 2

Unknown Conceptual Paratechnology: A piece of handmade paratechnology used to alter metaphysical properties. It is constructed from a handheld Kant counter, a reality measuring device used by the SCP Foundation. It has been heavily modified with paratechnology identified as having been stolen from a variety of firms including Inditech, GRENadINES Inc. and the former Prometheus Labs. Object's central chamber contains multiple abstract-metaphysical construct pointers1 and at least one property editor tool. The object was formerly in the possession of the Associates of Apotheosis (hereafter AoA), a terrorist organization/cult active within the Three Portlands since the early 1980s, and associated with similar incidents. It is unknown how the device is operated, and is under active research.


STATE OF BEING
« UIU File: 2014-014 | Abstract Naught »

Footnotes
1. Quasi-physical conceptual constructs with the potential to define and change concepts.

Also Upgrade SCP-682's Regeneration and Nep to High-Godly and Type 2 because regen form earsed by SCP-3930 and exist within it after being wiped out as a non-existent entity that can interact and attack what exists
SCP-3930 should also upgrade to NEP type 2 due to its Void/Isn't nature and the opposite of Existence / Is that covers SCP-3812's infinite narrative layers stack (which contains concepts, Paradoxical Concepts and Completely Conceptless as outlined above and in SCP-3812's article itself in each layer, with the upper layers trivializing them as fiction). All are claimed by the same author of both aka Djkaktus (He has a small but also vast canon named Djkaktus verse that you can read through works like SCP-4840, SCP-001 Ouroboros especially The Way It Ends)

Item: SCP-3930

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Tissue Test Record:
SCP-682's tissue was brought into the void, and ceased existing.
Termination Test Record:
SCP-682 is introduced to SCP-3930, and successfully ceases existing. However, despite SCP-682 no longer existing, Foundation personnel still perceive SCP-682. When the entity is looked at, a vivid image or memory is recalled in the brain of personnel that is described as resembling the appearance of SCP-682. This entity has been observed "attacking" personnel, killing them, despite the fact that SCP-682 does not exist during these attacks. It should be noted that personnel killed in this manner died when their brains ceased to function, despite the appearance of "physical damage" occurring on their bodies. All destruction caused by this entity becomes "real", even if the entity that caused it didn't. 15 hours later, SCP-682 was found within its containment chamber. It is unknown how SCP-682 managed to gain existence after this incident.

But this process isn't perfect, just like we're not, so errors begin to form. As more and more of those errors build up, residual consciousness accumulates on the edge of the void. This consciousness isn't real, but it feels real, for both us an the consciousness itself. At small enough values, this consciousness isn't strong enough to draw conclusions about its own quasi existence. But if more begins to build up, and it realizes the paradox of its very being (or lack thereof), it suffers immensely. It begins to scream, and it begins to hate, and it hates nothing more than us. Not only are we the ones who made it real enough to experience this horror, but we're also very real. That envy and that malevolence only makes the hate stronger. Thus, a pattern screamer is born.

So much of this is tied into the sort of djkaktus brand hierarchy of the SCPverse. In 3812 I talk at length about how reality looks as you ascend it, but this (and, to a certain extent, 3000) are about what's at the bottom. Reality rests on an endless void, and between that void and what can be considered real is the hard line between what is, and what isn't. We are what is, and the void (and anything that passes beyond it) and, again, to a certain extent Anantashesha, are what isn't. Pattern screamers are the film that forms between those two things. They neither are, or are not. They're not real enough to self actualize, but not unreal enough so as to not exist and thus not have any agency in the narrative.
Djkaktus
http://www.scpwiki.com/forum/t-4760396/scp-3930 (5)
 
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Most of this I don't really understand/care for, but the stuff I do understand is incredibly incorrect.

Also Upgrade SCP-682's Regeneration and Nep to High-Godly and Type 2 because regen form earsed by SCP-3930 and exist within it after being wiped out as a non-existent entity that can interact and attack what exists
SCP-3930 should also upgrade to NEP type 2 due to its Void/Isn't nature and the opposite of Existence / Is that covers SCP-3812's infinite narrative layers stack (which contains concepts, Paradoxical Concepts and Completely Conceptless as outlined above and in SCP-3812's article itself in each layer, with the upper layers trivializing them as fiction). All are claimed by the same author of both aka Djkaktus (He has a small but also vast canon named Djkaktus verse that you can read through works like SCP-4840, SCP-001 Ouroboros especially The Way It Ends)


The stuff you've quoted is absolutely not NEP type 2 or high-godly. Even as it simply being word of god, it says that reality above the void is what is, and the void is what isn't. That is not saying that 3930 is nonexistent on a level above the duality of existence and nonexistence, it is simply saying that it is nonexistent.

And it doesn't cover 3812's stack, it's below it. At the very bottom of the narrative hierarchy.
 

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Most of this I don't really understand/care for, but the stuff I do understand is incredibly incorrect.

Also Upgrade SCP-682's Regeneration and Nep to High-Godly and Type 2 because regen form earsed by SCP-3930 and exist within it after being wiped out as a non-existent entity that can interact and attack what exists
SCP-3930 should also upgrade to NEP type 2 due to its Void/Isn't nature and the opposite of Existence / Is that covers SCP-3812's infinite narrative layers stack (which contains concepts, Paradoxical Concepts and Completely Conceptless as outlined above and in SCP-3812's article itself in each layer, with the upper layers trivializing them as fiction). All are claimed by the same author of both aka Djkaktus (He has a small but also vast canon named Djkaktus verse that you can read through works like SCP-4840, SCP-001 Ouroboros especially The Way It Ends)


The stuff you've quoted is absolutely not NEP type 2 or high-godly. Even as it simply being word of god, it says that reality above the void is what is, and the void is what isn't. That is not saying that 3930 is nonexistent on a level above the duality of existence and nonexistence, it is simply saying that it is nonexistent.

And it doesn't cover 3812's stack, it's below it. At the very bottom of the narrative hierarchy.
Most of this I don't really understand/care for, but the stuff I do understand is incredibly incorrect.

Also Upgrade SCP-682's Regeneration and Nep to High-Godly and Type 2 because regen form earsed by SCP-3930 and exist within it after being wiped out as a non-existent entity that can interact and attack what exists
SCP-3930 should also upgrade to NEP type 2 due to its Void/Isn't nature and the opposite of Existence / Is that covers SCP-3812's infinite narrative layers stack (which contains concepts, Paradoxical Concepts and Completely Conceptless as outlined above and in SCP-3812's article itself in each layer, with the upper layers trivializing them as fiction). All are claimed by the same author of both aka Djkaktus (He has a small but also vast canon named Djkaktus verse that you can read through works like SCP-4840, SCP-001 Ouroboros especially The Way It Ends)


The stuff you've quoted is absolutely not NEP type 2 or high-godly. Even as it simply being word of god, it says that reality above the void is what is, and the void is what isn't. That is not saying that 3930 is nonexistent on a level above the duality of existence and nonexistence, it is simply saying that it is nonexistent.

And it doesn't cover 3812's stack, it's below it. At the very bottom of the narrative hierarchy.
Oh my God! I really appreciate you so much, sadly this CRT doesn't care by everyone (SCP should be loved more)
And yes you are right what I thought and said, I say it the opposite (and forgot to write "below") with the Narrative stack of 3812 things that include concepts directly, even ignoring conceptual thing It still still High-Godly which currently requires only any one fundamental aspect of existence such as History, story, information

"High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying concept(s) or information needed for them to exist."
 

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I don't know of any evidence that 3930 erases that part of characters who enter it.
 

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I don't know of any evidence that 3930 erases that part of characters who enter it.
Can you be more specific? SCP-3930 basically erases parts of What Is to make it what isn't its, isn't that the most basic content?
 

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I don't know of any evidence that 3930 erases that part of characters who enter it.
Subjective Nonexistent Void: SCP 3930 does not exist. It is not a physical location, point in time, singularity, vacuum, extradimensional space, meta construct, or any other extant descriptive, as a requirement for any such descriptive is existence, which SCP-3930 lacks. It cannot be said to be anything, regardless of its perceived properties. It does not exist, it cannot contain anything that exists. Due to this, anything that attempts to pass through or enter SCP-3930, which is impossible due to SCP-3930 being nonexistent, will also cease to exist. Despite this, beings will still perceive SCP-3930 as perceptible and things that become nonexistent due to SCP-3930 as similarly perceptible.
 

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I don't know if that's explicitly enough at erasing body + mind + soul + (place in the narrative/entire history/underlying concepts/underlying information) for regeneration from it to qualify as High-Godly.

It just sounds like more generic EE.
 

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I don't know of any evidence that 3930 erases that part of characters who enter it.

I don't know if that's explicitly enough at erasing body + mind + soul + (place in the narrative/entire history/underlying concepts/underlying information) for regeneration from it to qualify as High-Godly.

It just sounds like more generic EE.
It directly erases all those aspects and any of them
Check SCP-3000 / Anatashesha who passively erases minds, memories, dreams and soul as it shows them "what is SCP-3930 / Void is like"
 

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I don't know if that's explicitly enough at erasing body + mind + soul + (place in the narrative/entire history/underlying concepts/underlying information) for regeneration from it to qualify as High-Godly.

It just sounds like more generic EE.
Also can you invite more people who are SCP experts and related things? This CRT should be of interest and opnions, please
Thanks you so much!
 

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682's regen was discussed in this thread. Downgrading to Low-Godly was rejected, upgrading to High-Godly was rejected, so it was kept at Mid-Godly.
 

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For the record, based on the profiles and discussions I have seen, lacking a concept and still existing is in fact NEP2. Same as having your concept erased and still existing.
 

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For the record, based on the profiles and discussions I have seen, lacking a concept and still existing is in fact NEP2. Same as having your concept erased and still existing.
I feel like NEP2 would need a rewording then. Since lacking a concept has absolutely nothing to do with being beyond the duality of existence and nonexistence. It just means that your concepts don't exist.
 

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I'm pretty sure a lot of people are dissatisfied with how NEP2 is currently. Iirc, there is apparently going to be a revision for it or smth.

Though, if you change the NEP2 so that lacking a concept wouldn't qualify, then I'm pretty sure 90% of its users will no longer qualify.
 

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I just found a thread about it. It seems like DT holds my view, but hasn't made a thread to change things yet. So I guess 3930 would probably qualify.
 

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Well, until a revision starts, should SCP qualify for it, or do we just discard it due to an incoming revision?
 

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Well, I'd personally say let them have it for now. We don't really know when the NEP2 CRT will happen, as it's apparently been on a hiatus or smth.
 

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Agree with CM type 2, we have a lot of proofs for that.

also what about the Low 1-C revision? why it didn't get applied yet?
Because some people want "2-A, likely Low 1-C, possibly higher" and others want "Low 1-C, possibly higher", no compromise has been reached, and people have stopped bumping it.
 

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Bumpo~

I'm not letting this thread die like the other concept type 2 addition thread.

BTW, I agree with concept type 2 manip.
 

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So everyone agree about CM type 2
But NEP type 2 (of 682 and those spheres + Concept of CNC) and High godly Regen (682)?
 

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In relation to NEP 2, I said myself that it fits our current standards, but our current standards are wrong.
I just found a thread about it. It seems like DT holds my view, but hasn't made a thread to change things yet. So I guess 3930 would probably qualify.
 

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In relation to NEP 2, I said myself that it fits our current standards, but our current standards are wrong.
We have no idea when the standards for NEP will get changed, so until then, SCP should more than qualify.
 

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That is exactly my point.

DaReaper's saying he disagrees with giving NEP 2 because of my reasons, but my reasons ended up being "NEP 2 should be given".
 

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Why should we care about the later standard and not the present?
Nill (her tear was my light) and Obilivion (marvel) is basically accepted and I don't see any reason to wait
 

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Ah fuck, I read your post wrong. Thought you said SCP shouldn't qualify because standards are gonna change.
 

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Why should we care about the later standard and not the present?
Nill (her tear was my light) and Obilivion (marvel) is basically accepted and I don't see any reason to wait
To repeat myself yet again, we should care about the current standard, so we should give NEP 2. DaReaper is wrong to cite my arguments as a reason to reject it.
 

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To repeat myself yet again, we should care about the current standard, so we should give NEP 2. DaReaper is wrong to cite my arguments as a reason to reject it.
Oh shit, sorry because misunderstanding Of me
Also one question: you just agree NEP type 2 or all other stuff as CM type 2 of 682 + 2719 and 682's High Goldy Regen ?
 

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Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think this is high-godly but I'm not much of an expert on that. I don't know enough about CM to evaluate that part.
 
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High-Godly is kinda outdated, it says that history errasure is a deeper concept than soul and mind, someone should make a CRT
 

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For the record, for 682, I'm not seeing any High-Godly regeneration here, maybe nep1 but not high godly.
 

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High-Godly is kinda outdated, it says that history errasure is a deeper concept than soul and mind, someone should make a CRT
It needs to be soul, mind, and history. Not just history by itself.
 

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It needs to be soul, mind, and history. Not just history by itself.
scp-682 Regen both soul and mind
Aspect/Ruler of SCP-3930 aka SCP-3000 have passive mind/soul/memory erasure while it show those who erased see Void/3930
 

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I don't think that's true, 682 has a higher-dimensional self/consciousness that it regens from, that 3930 wouldn't have been able to affect.
 

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which dosen't make sense anyways. History isn't special.
It doesn't have to be history, just something else more fundamental than body/mind/soul. It could also include their place in the narrative, or the underlying concepts/information that describe their existence and are required for them to exist.
 

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I don't think that's true, 682 has a higher-dimensional self/consciousness that it regens from, that 3930 wouldn't have been able to affect.
No, SCP-3930 literally is Endless Void/Non existence below and opposite to Is/Existence (hierarchy of infinite narrative stack in 3812)
Anything in range of existence would erase when they going into 3930
 
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It doesn't have to be history, just something else more fundamental than body/mind/soul. It could also include their place in the narrative, or the underlying concepts/information that describe their existence and are required for them to exist.
I know, im just saying history isn't deeper than mind, and it isn't special.
 

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No, SCP-3930 literally is Endless Void/Non existence below and opposite to Is/Existence (hierarchy of infinite narrative stack in 3812)
Anything in range of existence would erase when they going into 3930


I do not believe that 3930 erases everything within every narrative. It exists within a few kilometers of radius in 3-dimensional space in one narrative.

I know, im just saying history isn't deeper than mind, and it isn't special.


It is an extra thing to be erased, so by that token it is deeper.
 

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No, SCP-3930 literally is Endless Void/Non existence below and opposite to Is/Existence (hierarchy of infinite narrative stack in 3812)
Anything in range of existence would erase when they going into 3930


I do not believe that 3930 erases everything within every narrative. It exists within a few kilometers of radius in 3-dimensional space in one narrative.
No matter because 682 erased in it. Then, it just no longer higher dimensional or whatever because it turn ro Non-Existence/Is Not without any aspect of existence even Narrative/Meta construct, dimensional, concept,..
 

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No matter because 682 erased in it. Then, it just no longer higher dimensional or whatever because it turn ro Non-Existence/Is Not without any aspect of existence even Narrative/Meta construct, dimensional, concept,..
Do you have any concrete proof of that he was completely erased conceptually and narratively? A statement or something? Because most of what you said, with no offense btw, seems like headcanon.
 

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No matter because 682 erased in it. Then, it just no longer higher dimensional or whatever because it turn ro Non-Existence/Is Not without any aspect of existence even Narrative/Meta construct, dimensional, concept,..

I don't think we have reason to believe that 3930's EE would erase a higher-D being if that higher-D being's shell walked into it.

This contradicts The Lucky Dinosaur, which says that any timeline without 682 in it gets instantly EE'd, which would happen if 682 was made entirely absent.

This contradicts the mechanism of 682's regeneration, which is from its higher-D self.
 

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No matter because 682 erased in it. Then, it just no longer higher dimensional or whatever because it turn ro Non-Existence/Is Not without any aspect of existence even Narrative/Meta construct, dimensional, concept,..

I don't think we have reason to believe that 3930's EE would erase a higher-D being if that higher-D being's shell walked into it.

This contradicts The Lucky Dinosaur, which says that any timeline without 682 in it gets instantly EE'd, which would happen if 682 was made entirely absent.

This contradicts the mechanism of 682's regeneration, which is from its higher-D self.
Luckly dinosaur don't related because it just another canon don't related to those 3930 stuff
Also "without 682 stuff" appilied to avatar not true higher d self
 

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Luckly dinosaur don't related because it just another canon don't related to those 3930 stuff

It does relate because we don't put contradictory stuff into our extended canon keys. If two things contradict, one of them won't make the cut.

Also "without 682 stuff" appilied to avatar not true higher d self


I don't really understand what you mean by this.
 

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Do you have any concrete proof of that he was completely erased conceptually and narratively? A statement or something? Because most of what you said, with no offense btw, seems like headcanon.
Author of 3812/3930 literally said Void of 3930 is opposite to Reality which is infinite narrative stack in those scan listed in thread
Conceptually: yeah because they are just aspects of narrative stack, Even CNC and completely conceptless
Void of 3930 turn anything Existence into it
Dammit even in 3930 it mentioned meta construct (narrative) is Existence which 3930 can erasure lol
 
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This contradicts The Lucky Dinosaur, which says that any timeline without 682 in it gets instantly EE'd
If i remember correctly it says 682 is a universal costant, and if he dies, the universe end.

also if we want approch like that then we should remove mid-godly
 

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Author of 3812/3930 literally said Void of 3930 is opposite to Reality which is infinite narrative stack in those scan listed in thread

I responded to that earlier in the thread...
Even as it simply being word of god, it says that reality above the void is what is, and the void is what isn't.

And it doesn't cover 3812's stack, it's below it. At the very bottom of the narrative hierarchy.
I don't think that means it's on a level beyond all narratives. The way you're describing it makes it sound like it's equivalent, when it's literally infinitely-many reality-fiction differences below the top of the narrative stack.

Dammit even in 3930 it mentioned meta construct (narrative) is Existence which 3930 can erasure lol


Why do you say that meta construct is narrative?
SCP-3930 is not a physical location, point in time, singularity, vacuum, extradimensional space, meta construct, or any other extant descriptive, as a requirement for any such descriptive is existence, which SCP-3930 lacks.
That's the context. It doesn't sound like narrative stuff at all. Hell, 3930 doesn't even have the narrative tag.

also if we want approch like that then we should remove mid-godly


I'm not really sure, since mid-godly is based on regenerating from its higher-D true form. I kinda consider that its real existence that needs to be rekt for the narrative to be removed, but idk if that's how the site treats it. If the site doesn't treat it like that, then the Low 2-C end should probably just be removed, or made mutually exclusive with any godly regen.
 

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I don't understand why we are arguing like this
The Higher-D is simply immortal type 9 And its True Form
High-Godly applies to Avatar
 

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Actually, checking the regen page, I'm not even sure that 682 should have mid-godly. Since both mid-godly and high-godly require the mind to be erased, and 682's higher-D mind was unaffected by 3930, since that's what it regenerated from.
 

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Actually, checking the regen page, I'm not even sure that 682 should have mid-godly. Since both mid-godly and high-godly require the mind to be erased, and 682's higher-D mind was unaffected by 3930, since that's what it regenerated from.
No, 682 Regen from within 3930
It exists within it as a NEP type 2 being and can interact with reality. Nothing says it reproduces from the Higher D mind (which I don't even know exists)
If we only have higher d stuff then we should downgrade any character with Regen mid godly or higher that has type 9 immortality lol
 

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Never mind, I just checked the old thread, apparently all regen from EE is considered mid-godly, so 682 gets it from that even though he doesn't fit the definition of his mind being erased. I don't think the jump to high-godly should be made tho.

No, 682 Regen from within 3930


Because of its true self.

Nothing says it reproduces from the Higher D mind (which I don't even know exists)


The scans and explanations of this are all over 682's profile dude.

If we only have higher d stuff then we should downgrade any character with Regen mid godly or higher that has type 9 immortality lol


idk what you mean by that, I don't think all characters with type 9 immortality have a higher-D consciousness like 682.
 

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Also where does it say 682 has higher-d consciousness?
The entire profile only mentions 682 as a projection of True 682 into reality
say nothing with mind it's purely higher-d
 

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I don't know where that comes from, I don't know that much about 682. This is mostly stuff @WeeklyBattles has told me, you'll have to ask him about where that comes from, but it seems to have been accepted here for a while.
 
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No, just no 3930 does not wholly erase things from all levels of reality otherwise it would just wholly get rid of 682 no arguments allowed since it would erase even Swann's from your arguments which means that a)this is a massive massive fucking outlier b)3930 doesn't erase things at all levels of the narrative
 

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Also where does it say 682 has higher-d consciousness?
The entire profile only mentions 682 as a projection of True 682 into reality
say nothing with mind it's purely higher-d


Note 2 on 682's profile
Note 2: Regarding SCP-682's immortality, 682 is a shell bound to the 3-D world by 343, but the shell itself is a projection of 682's former self that is generated by 682's higher-dimensional consciousness.
 
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Yeah, no. Lacking a "meta construction" with 0 further elaboration means nothing, and especially not that it affects every narrative in the stack.

Also, I should note that Kaktus' idea of narratives is quite different from what basically everyone else on the site has them as: specifically, he describes them in a way that is a lot closer to just parallel universes and it's likely he uses the word metaphorically rather than literally, so even if the meta construction thing was solid, which it isn't, this wouldn't "scale" to anything important.

However, 682's regen should be upgraded to High-Godly from coming back from 3930, yes. That I can agree with and I'm a little confused as to how that wasn't already updated.
 
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Also yeah i agree with high godly, since well it came back from being in a state similar to 3930, but not to the extent of the whole of 3930, it should also get limited subjective reality scaling off of 3930
 
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High-Godly would be from the conceptual erasure, not anything to do with narratives. 682 does have an entirely unrelated narrative immortality due to being a very popular character but that has absolutely nothing to do with pattern screamers, which also have nothing to do with narrative anything, at least in a way that actually matters.
 

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narrative immortality due to being a very popular character
Imagine being immortal due to being popular.

Anyways, I kept actually hearing about Low 1-A/1-A immortality or smth, but I can't seem to find a scan for it. Could you possibly link the feat?
 
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You see, that page has been read over literally hundreds of times by the main SCP revision group, and the only possible relation to narratives, that being the screamer lacking a "meta construction", has been concluded to both not definitively relate to anything narrative based but would also be a massive outlier if it somehow did.

@Rikimarox2

I don't know of any Low 1-A stuff from 682, just 1-A from narrative stuff that doesn't scale to anyone else. iirc this is from an Operation Overmeta page on the SCP wiki, if you're interested.
 

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I don't know of any Low 1-A stuff from 682, just 1-A from narrative stuff that doesn't scale to anyone else. iirc this is from an Operation Overmeta page on the SCP wiki, if you're interested.
Low 1-A comes from 4455 failing to kill 682 with its narrative hax
 

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Anyways, I kept actually hearing about Low 1-A/1-A immortality or smth, but I can't seem to find a scan for it. Could you possibly link the feat?

It's all prolly best described as resistance to plot manip/concept manip. If any of it can be described as type 8 immortality, it's not combat applicable, since they just have some part of themselves alive in a narrative plane somewhere that can't return to the battlefield.
 

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It's all prolly best described as resistance to plot manip/concept manip. If any of it can be described as type 8 immortality, it's not combat applicable, since they just have some part of themselves alive in a narrative plane somewhere that can't return to the battlefield.
What about the thing with the Swan avatar bringing 682 back?
 
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