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Viernes is currently accepted to have Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation for this explanation here:
(Type 2. Was able to transform himself into a concept that has no physical body and is merged with the Gold Owl Guild. Can create conceptual copies of individuals that exist and they retain all of the same abilities as the real versions of the individual)
I have an issue with this explanation being used to gain Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation. It can work for Type 3, but without further context, it can't work for Type 2.
Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation requires the user to manipulate a Concept whose sphere of influence, the things it defines and affects, exists across all instances of its existence. That is to say, if you manipulate the Concept of Fire for example, a Type 2 manipulation of that would affect all instances of "fire" across reality "fire" exists in. Viernes isn't doing that. He's rather manipulating the concepts of particular people, with particular attributes. He isn't affecting the Universals of these people, and these abilities. Type 2 Concepts are Universals, Type 3 Concepts are Particulars. Until evidenced, it's incorrect to assume he's manipulating any level of Universals with his Conceptual Manipulation. As such, his Conceptual Manipulation should be reworked to Type 3.
(Type 2. Was able to transform himself into a concept that has no physical body and is merged with the Gold Owl Guild. Can create conceptual copies of individuals that exist and they retain all of the same abilities as the real versions of the individual)
I have an issue with this explanation being used to gain Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation. It can work for Type 3, but without further context, it can't work for Type 2.
Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation requires the user to manipulate a Concept whose sphere of influence, the things it defines and affects, exists across all instances of its existence. That is to say, if you manipulate the Concept of Fire for example, a Type 2 manipulation of that would affect all instances of "fire" across reality "fire" exists in. Viernes isn't doing that. He's rather manipulating the concepts of particular people, with particular attributes. He isn't affecting the Universals of these people, and these abilities. Type 2 Concepts are Universals, Type 3 Concepts are Particulars. Until evidenced, it's incorrect to assume he's manipulating any level of Universals with his Conceptual Manipulation. As such, his Conceptual Manipulation should be reworked to Type 3.