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Boros is confirmed Dragon or Above by ONE. Orochi is possibly Dragon or Above by Murata
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Scaling Boros to Orochi
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Yeah but people tossed that aside…so I was wondering why they deemed it invalid.
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we're going to have to wait so many months for stuff to happen but it's going to be so worth it
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Likely outdated as that statement was around when Orochi had his old/weaker final form.
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Murata’s statement was in reference to pre-redraw Orochi. Post-redraw Orochi’s threat level is currently unknown.
There was some other reasoning too, but I don’t remember what it was.
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Second one is betterSo two recalcs have been accepted for Boros' ship dura. Which do we use? Could ArmorChompy or TheRustyOne help out here?
Saitama's impact on Lord Boros' Ship (Redone)
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Boros ship impact energy recalculation
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@Armorchompy @TheRustyOneSo two recalcs have been accepted for Boros' ship dura. Which do we use? Could ArmorChompy or TheRustyOne help out here?
Saitama's impact on Lord Boros' Ship (Redone)
Boros ship impact energy recalculation
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I'd prefer to at least wait and give Zamasu the chance to defend his calc.
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Well he explicitly says why he took off 23%, because Gery says that 23% of the ship is damaged, but that damage happened inside of the ship, so its mass would be the same. Not much to defend there.
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Dude, I stopped receiving notifications from this topic a while ago and missed a mega thread that included my own calculation without me even knowing... But ok.
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Oof.
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This calculation is better and more consistent with the narrativeBoros ship impact energy recalculation
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Dude, you can't just say "I prefer this calc because it gives results I find more favorable". That's just bias.
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1st, The narrative and what someone wants are different.
2nd, the other calc is unusable for the reason I gave above.
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Oh, but I stated that this calculation was better because it was cohesive with the narrative of the manga... The math of the calculation supports it, so I think this calculation is better.
Anyway, cyro already mentioned the problem of the other calculus, so there is no need for me to talk about it. Would be redundant
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I'm only talking about that specific point, what has that got to do with what I said?
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Why is that wrong?
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They're saying Saitama didn't vaporize all that mass, that mass is still on the ship and as such its weight should still be the same as before.
I believe that is what they're saying.Don't call me out if I'm wrong.
Note: I do not have the authority to evaluate calcs any more than other non calc group member can.
I believe that is what they're saying.
Note: I do not have the authority to evaluate calcs any more than other non calc group member can.
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Interesting. Well think of mine as a low end and the other as a high end.
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I mean it's kind of an extreme low end, seeing as we see Saitama turn it to rubble, and even if he vaporized it, the mai poing is that that matter is still inside the ship, so it doesn't change the mass regardless.
Hope this doesn't come across as rude or condesending.
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Wait a second, if the matter in the ship gets vapourised or broken down into rubble or whatever, regardless of whether it's in the ship or not, why wouldn't the mass change in comparison to when that matter was solid?
If the insides of an apple was liquid then wouldn't it be lower in mass than the insides of a normal apple even if they have the same matter inside them?
If the insides of an apple was liquid then wouldn't it be lower in mass than the insides of a normal apple even if they have the same matter inside them?
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No?
"Wouldn't it lower in mass even though there is the same amount of mass inside it, only in a different state?"
That's what you asked. That's obviously not how reality works, the density wouldn't change too much, but it would be forced the share the same space as the solid apple, with the same amount of matter and components that it had before.
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Unless the matter was outright removed from existence it would still be there and unless Saitama launched it all the way outside of the ship it would still be in the ship and contribute to its total mass regardless of its form. I guess you could make the argument that vapor would eventually escape through whatever gaps there are into the outside atmosphere but it would have to cover a considerable distance for that and that is assuming that there are gaps that would lead into the outside atmosphere in the first place which in the spaceship should usually not be the case though Saitama, Boros and Tatsumaki did deal some damage to the outer hull.
That would depend on the liquid. If it is the inside of an apple that got somehow liquified, then I don't think that it would have suddenly reduced in mass unless mass was extracted out of the apple or got erased from existence. It is still the same mass but in a different form after all. Being turned into liquid wouldn't change the total weight or mass. Anything else would go against the law of conversation of energy and the law of conversation of mass.
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Before you bring up Ice.
It's density is slightly lower because in ice, the molecules arrange themselves in a rigid tetrahedral structure due to which cage like spaces remain in their bonding but water molecules remain in linear bonding form. As the volume of ice becomes greater, it is less denser.
Meaning if you melt the ice, there will be less of a volume of water, and vice versa.
That's why if you freeze a large body of water in a glass container, the ice will break through the glass because the volume actually extends.
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I agree with Rusty, Mav, and Damage's reason tho wtf happened? page 2 is kinda just repeating the arguments
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Well that's because all of the arguments made against the scaling are assumptions/headcanon, so it kind of went on repeat. Regardless, we have a High 6A 7 Exaton calc for Boros' ships impact energy which is already accepted, and far greater than Orochi's 5 Exaton Gai Canon Calc
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Constantly saying all the arguments are headcanon is not helpful in any way.
Also Orochi’s calc is not for the Gaia Cannon, it’s for him pulling energy from the Earth, stop saying it’s for the Gaia Cannon smh
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I didn't mean that that was Gaia Canon's AP, I just meant the calc related to that attack.
Edit: When multiple direct quotes have their context altered with a "well he could mean x instead" argument, it's usually an indicator that the arguments being made are headcanon.
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And those have been addressed already, constantly bringing them back up is kinda annoying
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I haven't seen a single non headcanon argument though...
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As I literally just said: those arguments have already been addressed, you bringing them up again doesn’t help the discussion.
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If all arguments are headcanon, and they have been addressed, then why are people still voting in agreement with the CRT. There's not much of an objective basis to do so on.
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But the arguments used against the scale are based on a subjective/personal interpretation of how Saitama would act upon encountering an enemy of the same level as Boros, but this is just an assumption and none of this can be proven. Saying that "Saitama would have no reason to praise an enemy of the same level as Boros" is not a fact, it's a headcanon
The only fact is that all the evidence the manga gives us puts Boros being superior to Orochi, not the other way around. The only thing in Orochi's favor is that his feats are mathematically superior, but as the Boros Ship already has a recalculation of 7 Exatons, so this has already been resolved.
The only fact is that all the evidence the manga gives us puts Boros being superior to Orochi, not the other way around. The only thing in Orochi's favor is that his feats are mathematically superior, but as the Boros Ship already has a recalculation of 7 Exatons, so this has already been resolved.
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Calling your opposition’s arguments “headcanon” doesn’t mean anything, you’re essentially saying “I’m right and you’re wrong” in an opinionated manner.
If your arguments were 100% factually correct this wouldn’t have been a debate.
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There are people that argue the Earth was made 2000 years ago. All arguments against such a ting are 100% logical, yet these people still exist.
Also, I'm right now generalizing it, but I directly addressed said headcanon during the prior 2 pages of debate. They were ignored, or responded to by saying the exact same thing I had just disproved. I'm not saying "I'm right you're wrong", I'm saying your arguments make subjective assumptions with no logical basis, and then telling you why. You choosing to ignore it is no fallacy or fault. of my own.
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Which isn’t a remotely similar topic to the subjective interpretations of a fictional work.
This is just a more verbose way of saying "I'm right you're wrong".
I can also proclaim my arguments are objective indisputable fact but that wouldn’t mean shit.
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I'm simply saying that just because not everyone is convinced does not mean that my arguments, or your arguments, or anyone elses are wrong.
Sigh, I was saying if you read my earlier comments I already directly countered each and every argument that seemed to be headcanon or unfair presumptions.
I never proclaimed my arguments are indisputible, I simply said that my arguments were based on a straight forward reading of what the Manga tells us, while the other arguments were interpretations of those statements that had very little standing.
And before you say the same thing again, that "I'm just saying I'm right", go check out page 1 and 2. I respond to everything there, I just simply have absolutely 0 reasons to copy them all just to be drowned out again.
Regardless, we have a calc 2 Exatons greater than Orochi's calc, so the current scaling is supported by our calcs now.
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