Scaling Boros to Orochi

[NikHelton]

In this thread, I would like to raise the issue of scaling Boros in the released form to and above Orochi.

The main reason for scaling is that Saitama called Boros strong, while he did not speak flatteringly about Orochi.

However, the counterargument is that Saitama doesn't need to call every enemy strong to let us judge his strength. Otherwise, if Saitama with a bored face defeats the 2-C God, then this will put Boros on the same level.

The quote clearly lost value in the course of the narrative and would have more weight if we changed Boros and Orochi places chronologically.

Moreover, the main counterargument is calculations. The maximum lowball of Orochi, which denies kinetic energy, which also takes place, is more than 25 times higher than the old lowball of Boros and more than 5 times its higher calculation. But we are talking about the consequences of Orochi's caste attack, not the attack itself and the strongest attack of Boros, which surpasses his AP and strength.

To scale Boros above Orochi, we have to find a new method for CRSC.

 

[Alexander]

OK that's fine

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

OK, Saitama doesn't just say that Boros is strong, even when he's just thinking to himself on the moon he says that this is almost a real fight. Meanwhile he treated Orochi like a Child throwing a temper tantrum and making a mess in the bathtub.

 

[Alexander]

OK, Saitama doesn't just say that Boros is strong, even when he's just thinking to himself on the moon he says that this is almost a real fight. Meanwhile he treated Orochi like a Child throwing a temper tantrum and making a mess in the bathtub.

sometimes i think saitama says some things to say (not many times, just sometimes)

 

[Migue79]

So I guess Saitama got a bit depressed after defeating Boros for no reason, huh?

 

[Alexander]

So I guess Saitama got a bit depressed after defeating Boros for no reason, huh?

as if he can feel depression, in fact what he feels is actually a bit strange and unknown

 

[Qawsedf234]

sometimes i think saitama says some things to say (not many times, just sometimes)

Sure, Saitama says things sometimes.

But this is his personal thought bubbles and he's talking directly to himself. Why would he be saying that if he didn't believe it?

 

[SemiRaedi]

OK, Saitama doesn't just say that Boros is strong, even when he's just thinking to himself on the moon he says that this is almost a real fight. Meanwhile he treated Orochi like a Child throwing a temper tantrum and making a mess in the bathtub.

The problem is that, what if Saitama fought a Boros level guy after fighting Boros initially? Would he still call it a real fight after experiencing such a level of strength already or call it boring like he did to Orochi (especially when he was in a worse mood fighting Orochi then Boros)?

While I personally think Boros > Orochi, statements are quite unreliable imo

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

sometimes i think saitama says some things to say (not many times, just sometimes)

That's the most Headcanon Bullshit I've ever heard in my life. Explain why the **** he would say this for no reason, especially given that Saitama gets legitimately upset after the end of the fight because Boros had essentially just lived Saitama's Dream from the beginning of the series right in front of him.

 

[SemiRaedi]

But I'm primarily on the fence about this tbh (Atomic would love this thread)

 

[Alexander]

That's the most Headcanon Bullshit I've ever heard in my life. Explain why the **** he would say this for no reason, especially given that Saitama gets legitimately upset after the end of the fight because Boros had essentially just lived Saitama's Dream from the beginning of the series right in front of him.

wow I didn't expect that reaction

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

The problem is that, what if Saitama fought a Boros level guy after fighting Boros initially? Would he still call it a real fight after experiencing such a level of strength already or call it boring like he did to Orochi (especially when he was in a worse mood fighting Orochi then Boros)?

While I personally think Boros > Orochi, statements are quite unreliable imo

Completely ignoring the fact he called Boros possibly the strongest opponent he ever had fought until then sure.

For him to already fought someone that strong means he would have mentioned it.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The problem is that, what if Saitama fought a Boros level guy after fighting Boros initially? Would he still call it a real fight after experiencing such a level of strength already or call it boring like he did to Orochi (especially when he was in a worse mood fighting Orochi then Boros)?

While I personally think Boros > Orochi, statements are quite unreliable imo

If Orochi was as strong as Boros is narrative implied to be by Saitama, Saitama would've treated him with more respect than he did since Saitama does respect people's strength. Unfortunately, like I said earlier, he treated Orochi like a naughty child making a mess.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Completely ignoring the fact he called Boros possibly the strongest opponent he ever had fought until then sure.

For him to already fought someone that strong means he would have mentioned it.

Bro..........that statement was made right after he beat Boros and not after he beat Orochi so it can be used to definitively say Boros > Orochi

If I beat a boss in a game and say it's the strongest one I've faced so far does that mean when I get to the final boss that the boss mentioned earlier is still stronger?

If Orochi was as strong as Boros is narrative implied to be by Saitama, Saitama would've treated him with more respect than he did since Saitama does respect people's strength. Unfortunately, like I said earlier, he treated Orochi like a naughty child making a mess.

What would it serve the narrative for Saitama to be surprised by someone of similar strength though? Saitama began becoming bored in his fight with Boros so if he fought someone of a similar ballpark later on, would he not just become bored again because he's seen all of this before like he did mid Boros fight?

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

You would need to prove to us Saitama already fought someone on Boros' level first after Boros. Burden of proof falls on you for that. Just saying he might have doesn't cut it.

 

[Cryo123]

Okay here's the thing, the 1 exaton calc for CSRC only accounts for the Oceans, and assuming vaporization goes one mile down in stone would make it 6 Exatons, still a lowall.

Saitama was suprised by MB Boros' speed. He called Boros strong many times, even in his released form, and called Orochi a child, and most likely the monster prince, not even worthy of the title. Never called Boros is unworthy of his title of Dominator of the Universe.

Also, Murata said Gery, Melz, and Gror together would have almost no chance of beating Orochi. (This is accepted and on the profiles), This means they still could defeat him. Not only warrants an upgrade for those three, but also throws a wrench in Orochi being = or > Boros. Gery is shocked by the ship being damaged, and breaks only a very small part of it himself. Boros even in his released form, did far more damage to the same ship.

Also, a much larger Orochi was blown to bits from a normal punch, meanwhile, Boros was able to take multiple, and even take one in his armored state.

Saitama only gets bored with Boros talking, not his fight.

 

[EnderLord8]

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[Cryo123]

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We got some Black Noir levels of dialogue. Eloquently arguing from both sides, before delivering the killing blow to the other debater's arguments. Lmao

Edit: I rest my case.

 

[Kachon123]

Following

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

KLOL suggested continental crust depth for the CRSC calc with a vaporisation end and melting end, but this hasn’t been done yet

 

[Majinere566]

I agree with the counter arguments

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I agree with the counter arguments

Had to quickly retract my like when I saw TikTok.

 

[Majinere566]

Had to quickly retract my like when I say TikTok.

Ahh man I didn't even notice that

 

[NikHelton]

You would need to prove to us Saitama already fought someone on Boros' level first after Boros. Burden of proof falls on you for that. Just saying he might have doesn't cut it.

Since it is allowed here to say "bullshit" about a person's statement, then in my heart I don’t give a **** what kind of evidence is needed here? Orochi's casting effect is 5 Exatons.
The newest calculation for Boros' strongest attack is 1 exaton. I would still understand if only MB was scaled, but we are talking about RB, which showed absolutely nothing.

 

[Bernkastelll]

However, the counterargument is that Saitama doesn't need to call every enemy strong to let us judge his strength. Otherwise, if Saitama with a bored face defeats the 2-C God, then this will put Boros on the same level.

this is a ''what if'' case which doesnt really makes sense until we have evidences

 

[NikHelton]

this is a ''what if'' case which doesnt really makes sense until we have evidences

Nothing like this. This only points to your double standards. If Saitama isn't impressed with a 4th, 3rd, or 2nd tier character, then by your logic, that puts Boros higher.

Saitama once called Boros strong even though he had a bored face. He called it a real fight when he was sent to the moon, for he let the fight drag on. This was not the case with Orochi. He immediately started using his version of CRSC instead of trying to fight. He physically did not have time to demonstrate himself somewhere else.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

even though he had a bored face

Once again, I don’t see how Saitama’s face was bored. He only got bored after Boros didn’t stop talking about his regeneration

 

[NikHelton]

KLOL suggested continental crust depth for the CRSC calc with a vaporisation end and melting end, but this hasn’t been done yet

I already did the calculation of this and got 40 exatons. However, this was not accepted due to lack of evidence.

 

[NikHelton]

Once again, I don’t see how Saitama’s face was bored. He only got bored after Boros didn’t stop talking about his regeneration

I don't understand how you don't see it. He says it with a flat face.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I don't understand how you don't see it. He says it with a flat face.

Having a flat face doesn’t necessarily mean he is bored. And he only gets bored later when Boros talked nonstop

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I already did the calculation of this and got 40 exatons. However, this was not accepted due to lack of evidence.

Well it was his suggestion.

 

[ImposingTiger]

Disagree with the downgrade FRA.

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Nothing like this. This only points to your double standards. If Saitama isn't impressed with a 4th, 3rd, or 2nd tier character, then by your logic, that puts Boros higher.

Saitama once called Boros strong even though he had a bored face. He called it a real fight when he was sent to the moon, for he let the fight drag on. This was not the case with Orochi. He immediately started using his version of CRSC instead of trying to fight. He physically did not have time to demonstrate himself somewhere else.

He calls Boros strong 3 times.

1. When punched his arm off.
2. Right after the CSRC and he was in near death
3. When talked about him to Genos

Saitama's entire dilemma is that he can't find anyone strong enough for him to cut loose. Boros was the closest he ever got to that.

He had no interest in Orochi because he simply wasn't strong enough to be interesting to him and he took him out instantly. That's all.

And if you can call bull on someone's stance then I say on behalf of everyone who disagrees with this downgrade, right back at you.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

doesn't the wiki acknowledge saitama gets stronger overtime ? When Saitama fights Orochi, he should be multiple one shot tiers above his boros arc counterpart. Shouldn't this invalidate the scaling becuase when Boros pulled up Saitama was weaker back then ?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

doesn't the wiki acknowledge saitama gets stronger overtime ? When Saitama fights Orochi, he should be multiple one shot tiers above his boros arc counterpart. Shouldn't this invalidate the scaling becuase when Boros pulled up Saitama was weaker back then ?

Nothing suggests this at all. Saitama's profile even states that he may not have Accelerated Development anymore post-training

• All previous abilities, except possibly Accelerated Development (Saitama thought to himself he probably can’t get any stronger than he is now[1])

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

doesn't the wiki acknowledge saitama gets stronger overtime ? When Saitama fights Orochi, he should be multiple one shot tiers above his boros arc counterpart. Shouldn't this invalidate the scaling becuase when Boros pulled up Saitama was weaker back then ?

Nope. At that point, he believes he cannot get any stronger after losing his hair.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

Nothing suggests this at all.

Saitama one shot a perfect replica of his past self from the day before in the audiobook. Wouldn't this justify getting much stronger ? Did the wiki reject this ?

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

Nope. At that point, he believes he cannot get any stronger after losing his hair.

Can you explain this ? Becuase the audiobook feat clearly suggests he gets stronger day by day.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Can you explain this ? Becuase the audiobook feat clearly suggests he gets stronger day by day.

The audiobook is vague about the reason why Saitama one-shot his virtual self. The most likely one is that the VGS can't accurately download Saitama's full power and only downloads a portion of it. This is also stated on Saitama's profile:

• All previous abilities, except possibly Accelerated Development (Saitama thought to himself he probably can’t get any stronger than he is now[1])

 

[Damage3245]

If the only basis for this scaling Saitama calling Boros strong?