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Unless Genjutsu is conceptual and layered, Sasuke is gonna be hard pressed here to do ANY hax to Ungrim. At all.
Rinnegan Genjutsu > Tsukuyomi > EMS Base Genjutsu > MS Genjutsu > 3 Tomoe Genjutsu > 2 Tomoe Genjutsu > 1 Tomoe Genjutsu
Not conceptual? As in he can't hax concepts or make them and the like? Cause uh, that's what makes Warhammer Fantasy characters such a pain in the ass, if something is resisted by Aethyr Manipulation, Good luck doing Jack didilly with that hax
Pretty sure Sasuke is very skilled, maybe not the Warhammer Fantasy level of "**** you" in skill, but still commendable
So he’s getting somewhat outskilled and his main ability genjutsu can’t work? How does ironfist resist Bfr or chibaku tensei?
What kind of BFR is this? Through portals?
Yes.
Dhar can BFR folks to the realm of chaos via portals, we don't **** with Dhar or it's BFR because it is broken
Wait, how is Rinnegan Genjutsu superior to the Tsukuyomi?
What are u talking about?
The resistance to that specific kind of BFR is straight 1-A. So... yeah. Not everything from Aethyr Manipulation or Dhar is 1-A, but small bits and pieces are and that happens to be one of them.
I believe it's because Sasuke's genjustu in the New Era is stated to be the strongest iirc but if I'm wrong someone can correct me.
Nothing like that in the profile bro.
yes that is stated.
Step 1: Read Ungrim Ironfist's resistance section.
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" what? You can't debunk me and decide use memes lmao, so pathetic
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So... it isn't conceptual. Ungrim resists.Naruto: Genjutsu Potency
Here's a guide to how strong Sasuke's Genjutsu is.
I mean, in several threads it is pointed out that one HAX is not inherently superior to the other without talents, so whether it is conceptual or not is irrelevant, Genjutsu will still work as it is layered.
Because anything Aethyr Manipulation does is type 1 conceptual, this means illusions, mindhax, literally everything on the page, to make a single simple fireball you are literally twisting concepts, nothingness and the like to make the concept of fire in your hand, unless Sasuke is literally applying the concept of the illusion on Ungrim on top of being multi-layered, Genjutsu isn't working, seeing as the lore of shadows has conceptual illusions that trap you in the past as well as the present, meaning they were always in the illusion
Okay but what does it matter
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Irrelevant, as it has already been debunked.
Genjutsu, to my knowledge anyway, isn't literally applying the concepts of the illusion or mind hax on the opponent, concepts are inherently superior to most other things, that's why it matters, it's not "standard" like Genjutsu is, it's a step above that, unless you think you can argue that say, Balthasar Gelt literally applying the concept of gold on someone to turn them into gold isn't gonna let him bypass every resistance that doesn't match Aethyr Manipulation or is higher dimensional.
You didn't read the page, did you? LmfaoFallacies
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Irrelevant, as it has already been debunked.
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You literally said that Aethyr Manip can resist EVERYTHING. It is obvious that this is about NLF. If your layered mental resistance is not confirmed or is insufficient, Genjutsu GG and there is no argumentative juggling to change that scenario.
All right, man, I'm going to start from the same argument as you. Itachi with his Tsukuyomi could manipulate time, space and any substance, besides directly attacking the spirit, mentioned by himself.
How is saying that every ability in verse is conceptual a fallacy?Fallacies
One thing to keep in mind, is that even if someone is using a fallacy, it does not necessarily mean that their argument is not true. It merely means that they are attempting to argue for it improperly. These are the examples that apply to this wiki, with the original list written by Endless...
Irrelevant, as it has already been debunked.
From the moment you rely on that to say that he is able to withstand everything, including a layered HAX that he has at no point shown himself to be able to handle.
Everything that isn't conceptual in nature and pretty sure you also need to be able to affect NEP 2 as well last I checked Aethyr manipulation page.
Uhhh, no I didnt? I said "everything Aethyr Manipulation does is type 1 conceptual", not that it resists everything, read better lolYou literally said that Aethyr Manip can resist EVERYTHING. It is obvious that this is about NLF. If your layered mental resistance is not confirmed or is insufficient, Genjutsu GG and there is no argumentative juggling to change that scenario.
All right, man, I'm going to start from the same argument as you. Itachi with his Tsukuyomi could manipulate time, space and any substance, besides directly attacking the spirit, mentioned by himself.
New Era Sasuke >>>> MS Itachi.
And you are again starting from a false premise; no HAX is inherently superior to the other talentless one. What is the tiered Mental Hax resistance talent? None.
Correction: not every ability in-verse, every spell in verse. If it was every ability I wouldn't even bother making matches lol
