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DaReaperMan

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Both in their strongest 5-B keys

Speed Equal

Battle takes place where Eggman pissed on the moon(obviously breathable air if that's a problem)

Start 5 meters away

Sasuke: 1

Ungrim Ironfist: 2

Inconclusive: 0
 
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Unless Genjutsu is conceptual and layered, Sasuke is gonna be hard pressed here to do ANY hax to Ungrim. At all.
Rinnegan Genjutsu > Tsukuyomi > EMS Base Genjutsu > MS Genjutsu > 3 Tomoe Genjutsu > 2 Tomoe Genjutsu > 1 Tomoe Genjutsu

So yes, Genjutsu GG, even because it's a 2v1.
 
Rinnegan Genjutsu > Tsukuyomi > EMS Base Genjutsu > MS Genjutsu > 3 Tomoe Genjutsu > 2 Tomoe Genjutsu > 1 Tomoe Genjutsu

So yes, Genjutsu GG, even because it's a 2v1.
Not conceptual? As in he can't hax concepts or make them and the like? Cause uh, that's what makes Warhammer Fantasy characters such a pain in the ass, if something is resisted by Aethyr Manipulation, Good luck doing Jack didilly with that hax
This gonna be a stomp or sasuke have any win cons?
Pretty sure Sasuke is very skilled, maybe not the Warhammer Fantasy level of "**** you" in skill, but still commendable
 
Pretty sure Sasuke is very skilled, maybe not the Warhammer Fantasy level of "**** you" in skill, but still commendable
So he’s getting somewhat outskilled and his main ability genjutsu can’t work? How does ironfist resist Bfr or chibaku tensei?
Sasuke could send him to Kaguya’s dimension and seal him there.
 
So he’s getting somewhat outskilled and his main ability genjutsu can’t work? How does ironfist resist Bfr or chibaku tensei?
Sasuke could send him to Kaguya’s dimension and seal him there.
What kind of BFR is this? Through portals?
 
What are u talking about?
The resistance to that specific kind of BFR is straight 1-A. So... yeah. Not everything from Aethyr Manipulation or Dhar is 1-A, but small bits and pieces are and that happens to be one of them.
 
Nothing like that in the profile bro.
Step 1: Read Ungrim Ironfist's resistance section.

Step 2: find Aethyr Manipulation

Step 3: Click Aethyr Manipulation

Step 4: Scroll down until you see Dhar

Step 5: Be amazed at all the hax that Ungrim resists and that he resists 1-A BFR.

If you have an issue with the Aethyr Manipulation page, imagine if it didn't exist and that WALL of text was on EVERY profile that resisted it.
 
Step 1: Read Ungrim Ironfist's resistance section.

Step 2: find Aethyr Manipulation

Step 3: Click Aethyr Manipulation

Step 4: Scroll down until you see Dhar

Step 5: Be amazed at all the hax that Ungrim resists and that he resists 1-A BFR.

If you have an issue with the Aethyr Manipulation page, imagine if it didn't exist and that WALL of text was on EVERY profile that resisted it.
I mean, in several threads it is pointed out that one HAX is not inherently superior to the other without talents, so whether it is conceptual or not is irrelevant, Genjutsu will still work as it is layered.
 
Whats the metter if its conceptual or not at all
Because anything Aethyr Manipulation does is type 1 conceptual, this means illusions, mindhax, literally everything on the page, to make a single simple fireball you are literally twisting concepts, nothingness and the like to make the concept of fire in your hand, unless Sasuke is literally applying the concept of the illusion on Ungrim on top of being multi-layered, Genjutsu isn't working, seeing as the lore of shadows has conceptual illusions that trap you in the past as well as the present, meaning they were always in the illusion
 
Because anything Aethyr Manipulation does is type 1 conceptual, this means illusions, mindhax, literally everything on the page, to make a single simple fireball you are literally twisting concepts, nothingness and the like to make the concept of fire in your hand, unless Sasuke is literally applying the concept of the illusion on Ungrim on top of being multi-layered, Genjutsu isn't working, seeing as the lore of shadows has conceptual illusions that trap you in the past as well as the present, meaning they were always in the illusion
Okay but what does it matter
 
Because anything

is type 1 conceptual
Irrelevant, as it has already been debunked.
 
Okay but what does it matter
Genjutsu, to my knowledge anyway, isn't literally applying the concepts of the illusion or mind hax on the opponent, concepts are inherently superior to most other things, that's why it matters, it's not "standard" like Genjutsu is, it's a step above that, unless you think you can argue that say, Balthasar Gelt literally applying the concept of gold on someone to turn them into gold isn't gonna let him bypass every resistance that doesn't match Aethyr Manipulation or is higher dimensional.


Irrelevant, as it has already been debunked.
You didn't read the page, did you? Lmfao

Debunked by what? Arguments that ignore what a concept is?
 
 
You didn't read the page, did you? Lmfao
You literally said that Aethyr Manip can resist EVERYTHING. It is obvious that this is about NLF. If your layered mental resistance is not confirmed or is insufficient, Genjutsu GG and there is no argumentative juggling to change that scenario.

Genjutsu, to my knowledge anyway, isn't literally applying the concepts of the illusion or mind hax on the opponent, concepts are inherently superior to most other things, that's why it matters, it's not "standard" like Genjutsu is, it's a step above that, unless you think you can argue that say, Balthasar Gelt literally applying the concept of gold on someone to turn them into gold isn't gonna let him bypass every resistance that doesn't match Aethyr Manipulation or is higher dimensional.
All right, man, I'm going to start from the same argument as you. Itachi with his Tsukuyomi could manipulate time, space and any substance, besides directly attacking the spirit, mentioned by himself.

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New Era Sasuke >>>> MS Itachi.

And you are again starting from a false premise; no HAX is inherently superior to the other talentless one. What is the tiered Mental Hax resistance talent? None.
 


Irrelevant, as it has already been debunked.
How is saying that every ability in verse is conceptual a fallacy?
 
You literally said that Aethyr Manip can resist EVERYTHING. It is obvious that this is about NLF. If your layered mental resistance is not confirmed or is insufficient, Genjutsu GG and there is no argumentative juggling to change that scenario.
Everything that isn't conceptual in nature and pretty sure you also need to be able to affect NEP 2 as well last I checked Aethyr manipulation page.
 
You literally said that Aethyr Manip can resist EVERYTHING. It is obvious that this is about NLF. If your layered mental resistance is not confirmed or is insufficient, Genjutsu GG and there is no argumentative juggling to change that scenario.


All right, man, I'm going to start from the same argument as you. Itachi with his Tsukuyomi could manipulate time, space and any substance, besides directly attacking the spirit, mentioned by himself.

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New Era Sasuke >>>> MS Itachi.

And you are again starting from a false premise; no HAX is inherently superior to the other talentless one. What is the tiered Mental Hax resistance talent? None.
Uhhh, no I didnt? I said "everything Aethyr Manipulation does is type 1 conceptual", not that it resists everything, read better lol

That still isn't inherently superior to a concept though? like I said before, concepts are inherently superior to most other things. I'll just make a QnA thread on this just so we aren't arguing in a circle.
How does saying that every ability in verse is conceptual is a fallacy?
Correction: not every ability in-verse, every spell in verse. If it was every ability I wouldn't even bother making matches lol
 
Ungrim can literally solo armies numbering in the millions for days, I don't think a 2v1 is gonna effect much
 
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