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KR = main way of damaging tho, durability negation is still there sure, but it's no where near as big.
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Sans vs Mami Tomoe
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>KR = Main way of damaging
Which is why Sans can kill Frisk in about a second without using KR (Aka the GET DUNKED ON attack)
Which is why Sans can kill Frisk in about a second without using KR (Aka the GET DUNKED ON attack)
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Note: Mai, as in, most often, and other than that attack his other attacks aren't nearly as effective.
Its not like Mami uses Mercy.
(Though she might main Mercy)
Its not like Mami uses Mercy.
(Though she might main Mercy)
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Can anyone argue that Sans can't just rip off her gem either with blue mode or teleporting it away and just use his strongest attack on it?
I know Mami will try to stop him but how can she stop him from telelporting her gem into a attack even with speed equlized and bloodlusted?
I know Mami will try to stop him but how can she stop him from telelporting her gem into a attack even with speed equlized and bloodlusted?
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Sans does teleport instantly that's his first ever attack. Also you bloodlusted both of them so even if he didn't teleport from the start Sans will start with his most killing move.
He teleports you right after saying "on days like these kids like you"
https://youtu.be/Vr4IYjeplJA?t=9
He teleports you right after saying "on days like these kids like you"
https://youtu.be/Vr4IYjeplJA?t=9
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It's clear you don't know what Mami's gem is. It's her soul which Sans can teleport and throw around since he does it to Frisk's soul.Newendigo said:
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Let me put it in simple terms, Sans has soul manipulation he can manipulate his enemies soul. Mami's Soul Gem is her soul so Sans can manipulate it too.
Her soul gem isn't a object it's her soul which Sans can manipulate.
Why is that hard to understand?
Her soul gem isn't a object it's her soul which Sans can manipulate.
Why is that hard to understand?
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It should be mentioned that would be more likely a problem than something good, ie, now he can't manipulate her body. In which case means he needs to dodge someone while attacking something somewhere else.
That and the fact that she can just trick him by making a clone.
That and the fact that she can just trick him by making a clone.
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Mami can't do anything once Sans teleports away with her gem which he'll smash right there. They are bloodlusted and speed is equal but Mami can't do anything before Sans can teleport her gem away.
She won't use clones first because she doesn't know what Sans will do, also what would they do? She can't clone her soul he'll see which one is real.
Sans see that her gem is her soul, teleports it away with himself, and destroys its.
Mami can't do anything once Sans teleports away with her gem which he'll smash right there. They are bloodlusted and speed is equal but Mami can't do anything before Sans can teleport her gem away.
She won't use clones first because she doesn't know what Sans will do, also what would they do? She can't clone her soul he'll see which one is real.
Sans see that her gem is her soul, teleports it away with himself, and destroys its.
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Uh, and why can't she do anything? Additionally, has he been shown to teleport objects that he isn't even touching?
That's why she would use clones, because she doesn't know what Sans can do. Remember, she's cocky when she tries to impress her peers, but otherwise, has been shown to be pretty combat smart. (And she did use clones when she didn't know what was going on with Akemi too.)
Sans would also have to take time to actually destroy the gem, the gem isn't so fragile that he can easily break it.
Even easier, Mami could just Regale Vastilla as Sans tries to remove her soul gem, negating his powers like she did with Homura.
That's why she would use clones, because she doesn't know what Sans can do. Remember, she's cocky when she tries to impress her peers, but otherwise, has been shown to be pretty combat smart. (And she did use clones when she didn't know what was going on with Akemi too.)
Sans would also have to take time to actually destroy the gem, the gem isn't so fragile that he can easily break it.
Even easier, Mami could just Regale Vastilla as Sans tries to remove her soul gem, negating his powers like she did with Homura.
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She can't do anything because teleporting is instant and Mami isn't. Mami moves at all and Sans teleports her gem away with a thought and if Mami tries to attack or do anything else Sans teleports away.
He destroys the gem Mami dies game over. Mami's attack take time even if speed is equalized, Sans reactions are equal to Mami's so he can react to her attacks. But instead of dodging he teleports away which instantly puts him anywhere he wants.
Also can you explain why Mami's ribbions take away powers? I don't remember that at all.
He destroys the gem Mami dies game over. Mami's attack take time even if speed is equalized, Sans reactions are equal to Mami's so he can react to her attacks. But instead of dodging he teleports away which instantly puts him anywhere he wants.
Also can you explain why Mami's ribbions take away powers? I don't remember that at all.
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Ye, I know that fact, but Sans getting the gem after teleporting next to her isn't. Additionally, why would Sans teleport her soul away? Wouldn't he just try to fight her like he did Frisk / Chara? If he could do what you're suggesting, then he could just keep teleporting Frisk / Chara far, far away, and spam his Blasters?
Mami's ribbons disabled Homura's powers about 4 times, once in Different Story, another in Homura's Revenge, right before fighting Charlotte in episode 3, and again in the movie. It should also be mentioned that Homura also has teleportation via Space Leap.
Mami's ribbons disabled Homura's powers about 4 times, once in Different Story, another in Homura's Revenge, right before fighting Charlotte in episode 3, and again in the movie. It should also be mentioned that Homura also has teleportation via Space Leap.
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Why would Sans teleport next to her at all? He'll teleport her gem itself which is Mami soul by the way and teleport himself away then destroy it.
For your other question Sans is bloodlusted in this fight that means he'll use his abilities in anyway possible. Also have you seen Undertale Sans does do that against Frisk and it doesn't work because he can't fight forever he will get tired while Frisk stamina is infinite as long as they're determined.
Frisk memorizes how he fights and everyone of his techniques so they can avoid it when he tries it the next time they reload, Mami doesn't have that chance since she can't come back from the dead.
Also what is Space Leap and when has she ever used that?
For your other question Sans is bloodlusted in this fight that means he'll use his abilities in anyway possible. Also have you seen Undertale Sans does do that against Frisk and it doesn't work because he can't fight forever he will get tired while Frisk stamina is infinite as long as they're determined.
Frisk memorizes how he fights and everyone of his techniques so they can avoid it when he tries it the next time they reload, Mami doesn't have that chance since she can't come back from the dead.
Also what is Space Leap and when has she ever used that?
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That's the problem, he's never seen at all, to teleport something that he isn't touching. San's stamina in this part that doesn't matter since he could have done it in the beginning but never did (It would actually be easier for him)
Space Leap is just teleportation, and she's used it in the PSP game timelines and likely tried using it while restricted.
Space Leap is just teleportation, and she's used it in the PSP game timelines and likely tried using it while restricted.
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What do you call this right here? https://youtu.be/2QlYKKiT4Js?t=343SomebodyData said:
It literaly says he can teleport anything in his profile as well.
- Teleportation: While Sans is unable to reset the universe in the manner of someone such as Frisk or Flowey, he has shown to have incredibly potent spatial manipulation, allowing him to teleport not only himself, but objects and other people, as well. During battle, Sans will often teleport his opponent, himself, and his attacks, not only moving himself out of harms way, but moving his foe straight into a new attack. He has also shown the ability to "reset" an individual to their previous position.
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Let me give more context to what I said, he's never seen at all, teleporting stuff he isn't touching like that.
As in, every time he teleported Frisk / Chara and himself he didn't teleport their soul into his hand or something like that (Remember he doesn't know that the soul gem can be destroyed from a distance or how the soul gem works, he just knows her soul is somewhere else [Probably confuse it with her head])
As in, every time he teleported Frisk / Chara and himself he didn't teleport their soul into his hand or something like that (Remember he doesn't know that the soul gem can be destroyed from a distance or how the soul gem works, he just knows her soul is somewhere else [Probably confuse it with her head])
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Your not making any sense at all, he can't teleport their souls into hands because it's inside their body. A soul can only be removed when a person is killed it takes a incredible amount of energy to remove a soul from a living creature.
Mami's soul gem isn't stuck to her body it can be remove by others with ease. It's the main plot point of Kazumi Magica who's villain is girl who's stealing other girls soul gems. She takes one of the main characters gem during their fight in fact the main characters can just pluck off another's gem as well it's not hard at all.
It doesn't matter if he doesn't know what her soul gem is it's still clearly her soul since the gem will turn blue when he turns her soul blue and he can see it just fine. Why wouldn't he attack it every single monster in Undertale attacks the soul.
This is what will happen, Sans teleports her soul into a attack but only her gem goes Sans and Mami are confused for a second before both continue their attack.
Sans teleports away with her gem and destroys it.
Your not making any sense at all, he can't teleport their souls into hands because it's inside their body. A soul can only be removed when a person is killed it takes a incredible amount of energy to remove a soul from a living creature.
Mami's soul gem isn't stuck to her body it can be remove by others with ease. It's the main plot point of Kazumi Magica who's villain is girl who's stealing other girls soul gems. She takes one of the main characters gem during their fight in fact the main characters can just pluck off another's gem as well it's not hard at all.
It doesn't matter if he doesn't know what her soul gem is it's still clearly her soul since the gem will turn blue when he turns her soul blue and he can see it just fine. Why wouldn't he attack it every single monster in Undertale attacks the soul.
This is what will happen, Sans teleports her soul into a attack but only her gem goes Sans and Mami are confused for a second before both continue their attack.
Sans teleports away with her gem and destroys it.
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We don't and his teleportaion is likely his only power that isn't soul-based since he can teleport objects...
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Kaltias What does explosive bullets matter she doesn't have time to use them at all since Sans won't fight her period, he'll teleport her gem after seeing it's her soul and instead of dodging her attacks normally he'll teleport to her gem and destroy it.
Also my what was for him teleporting Frisk instead of their soul. That wouldn't change anything since that means he can still teleport her gem.
Also my what was for him teleporting Frisk instead of their soul. That wouldn't change anything since that means he can still teleport her gem.
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Doesn't Sans teleport Frisk in their fight repeatedly at the end, resetting their position?
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May I ask, how do we know that Sans is teleporting the SOUL instead of simply teleporting Frisk, teleporting the SOUL as a consequence?
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He doesn't know her soul gem is her weakness, just that the soul is there.
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"Because he can teleport with a through [...]"
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Sans isn't stupid he very smart, her gem is clearly her soul and that is bad news for her. He can still teleport her gem since it's a physical object, doesn't matter if he was only teleporting Frisk's body and the soul followed.
He'll try to seperate the gem from her in a instant and when that happens he wins. Mami can try to attack back with guns or ribbions but with equalized speed she can't move faster then Sans can react so he can teleport far away and smash her gem with a Gaster Blaster ending the fight.
He'll try to seperate the gem from her in a instant and when that happens he wins. Mami can try to attack back with guns or ribbions but with equalized speed she can't move faster then Sans can react so he can teleport far away and smash her gem with a Gaster Blaster ending the fight.
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Yeah, we know he is very smart, we know he'll know its her soul, but how will he know its her weakness?
Also, it will take a bit more than a Gaster Blaster to simply end the fight.
Also, it will take a bit more than a Gaster Blaster to simply end the fight.
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Why wouldn't he attack her soul gem? You need to give me one reason why he wouldn't attack the person obvious soul, it's like saying why a bloodlusted swordsman wouldn't cut off a person's head.SomebodyData said:
Sans and any moster in the underground attack the soul he will attack her gem.
Kaltias she can do NOTHING, there is nothing she can do from stopping Sans from spamming his teleportation her ribbions or bullets have to touch him and because of speed being equalized she can't fire attack he can't react to unless he screw up which isn't going to happen.
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So from what I understand, Sans can teleport objects at a thought and can see souls.
Would he not be able see she has no soul but her hair piece does, deduce that it is her soul and just teleport it or her in the path of a dura negging/soul based attack?
Would he not be able see she has no soul but her hair piece does, deduce that it is her soul and just teleport it or her in the path of a dura negging/soul based attack?
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And she can't hit him since he'll teleport away from her attacks which thanks to speed equalized he can see and react to. Her power negating ribbions have to touch Sans and why would Sans just let them touch him?
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That moment when you remember that the Soul Gem can cause explosions and create ribbons meaning by teleporting it, it would leave him open for surprise attacks via soul gem.
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Ok so he doesnt teleport the gem, he can still teleport her, which the gem is located on and his AOE is well above her body's surface area so it will hit the gem.
And formulate a plan? Not really a plan, just attack the soul, it's what he did in game in fact I don't think anything being proposed here is something he didn't already do.
And formulate a plan? Not really a plan, just attack the soul, it's what he did in game in fact I don't think anything being proposed here is something he didn't already do.
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Sans can teleport his keys into Frisk's inventory with ease, he should be able to removed them as well. So he should logically be able to teleport Mami's Gem.Kaltias said:
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Mami could dodge. And Sans will be way more focused on dodging here than against Frisk, given the amount of AoE attacks coming at him as well.
I was referring to "see the SOUL, understand that it's a gem, go away with it, attack it". Doesn't sound like something that one would do on the fly. Sans obviously will fight back, i'm just arguing that this battle will last more than a femtosecond
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If it was combat applicable, he would have teleported Frisk's knife away
Mami could dodge. And Sans will be way more focused on dodging here than against Frisk, given the amount of AoE attacks coming at him as well.
I was referring to "see the SOUL, understand that it's a gem, go away with it, attack it". Doesn't sound like something that one would do on the fly. Sans obviously will fight back, i'm just arguing that this battle will last more than a femtosecond
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If it was combat applicable, he would have teleported Frisk's knife away
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All monsters attack the soul Kaltias why would he attack her gem your making no sense right now. It's confusing me why won't he attack the gem when he see it's her soul it'll be the first thing he does.
Mami attacks won't hit him when he teleport away like to behind her and shoots her gem off.
She has no idea Sans can teleport, throw her, or her gem around sure Sans doesn't know about her guns or ribbions but he won't let them touch him since he doesn't need to dodge he can teleport
The only reason he dodges against Frisk is because he's faster and it uses up less power. When he sees a hail of bullets coming towards him he'll teleport instead.
To right behind or even above and she gets 20 Gaster Blaster around her which aim for her or her gem. Not only that but Blue mode will still hinder her because if it only effects the gem she'll be put off by it suddenly dropping to the floor when he turns it blue.
That second of confusion is all Sans needs to finish the fight.
Mami attacks won't hit him when he teleport away like to behind her and shoots her gem off.
She has no idea Sans can teleport, throw her, or her gem around sure Sans doesn't know about her guns or ribbions but he won't let them touch him since he doesn't need to dodge he can teleport
The only reason he dodges against Frisk is because he's faster and it uses up less power. When he sees a hail of bullets coming towards him he'll teleport instead.
To right behind or even above and she gets 20 Gaster Blaster around her which aim for her or her gem. Not only that but Blue mode will still hinder her because if it only effects the gem she'll be put off by it suddenly dropping to the floor when he turns it blue.
That second of confusion is all Sans needs to finish the fight.
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