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Mami Tomoe vs Kamen Rider Zero-One (Broken Versatilities vs Broken Versatilities)

Alright, this is the match that i wanted to make in a while but didn't have time, but now here we are
Both having one of the most broken versatilities (Zero-One precog and RPL with many forms that make him access so many abilities, while Mami had that bonkers power null via the ribbons alongside her inteligence, thus making her glass cannon irrelevant)
Beside that, this match would make me feel the nostalgia where Mami was the apex of tier 7 (excluding ultra-haxes chars of course), and how much heads of the opponents she take after the fights, now her reign is over long ago, can she show these new kids in VSBW hoods: what's make her feared!?

Invited to the Kamihama City by an unknown group, Aruto found himself in a dire situation, as soon as he acknowledge the secret behind of Kamihama, now he must escape from the battlefield that occured between the Magius and Puella Magi
However, as the situation didn't get worse, he met a girl that sit around an empty cafe
"Looks like you are in a trouble" said her, much to made Aruto cautious
"Yeah...what do you want from me? Are you one of those Magius?" Ask Aruto
She softly laugh "Maybe....maybe not"
"Then why are you on my way?"
"I found you interesting" said her while sipping her tea. "Unlike us, the Puella Magi....you possessed a power that neither us met before"
"Same can be said for me, never that i had met someone who possessed an supernatural and magical power before" Aruto replied
"Crossing, huh?" She then stood up. "Guess i should have enough to talk....lets make it simple, i want to have a fight against you"
"A fight?"
"More like an duel between you and me"
"But why i should accept that?" Aruto asked again
"You want to escape, right? If you win i can give you a help" she answered, much in Aruto surprise
"But if you lose, you may stuck in this city for a long time" warn her. "What do you think?"
Silence from Aruto, then....."Guess i have no choice" He then took up his driver and progrise key
"Excellent" She then took her gem. "No holding back, if you do then a death is your result"
They are ready in their position
"I might as well introduce myself, the name is Tomoe Mami...A Puella Magi that had experienced many things and tragedy in my life, whats your name, young man?
"Aruto....Hiden Aruto, the Young CEO of Hiden intelligence, had a dream to unite the humanity and humagear"
"And now, the only person that can defeat you, it's me!"


  • MetsuBouJinRai Arc Zero-One and Magia Record Mami are used
  • Speed are equalized
  • Both are in-characters
  • No restrictions for both (which mean Mami can use the Doppels)
  • Place: Kamihama City
  • images
  • Starting Range: 150 meters
  • Win via anything!!
  • Aruto Hiden/Zero-One: 7 (Zencha, James, Ixa, Popted, Random, SD, Me)
  • Mami Tomoe: 0
  • Inconclusive: 0

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Kinda just sounds like this depends on how Zero-One's precog works.
 
I meant more like, can it see things that are already invisible to people who see invisible things or even predict such a circumstance?
 
Or you mean Witch Invisibility? Because Aruto had X-Ray Vision on it

Inb4 you mean both (ribbons and witch invisibility)
 
Dammit SD, don't leave again

@IxaSaga2 Since you're online now, do you have the answer about this:
Veloxt1r0kore said:
And i also want to know, can the precog do anything to an abilities that even someone who had cosmic awarness can't detect it (The Ribbons)?
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SomebodyData said:
I meant more like, can it see things that are already invisible to people who see invisible things or even predict such a circumstance?
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I'm here for you bby

You're gonna have to ask those questions to the Kamen Rider crowd since it hinges on the pre-cog. But under normal circumstances, I don't see how pre-cog could detect something even cosmic awareness struggles to.
 
I assume the ribbons being invis is shown in the first few moments of the video you provided. With that in mind, there are two things to consider. First, The person that was grappled noticed it but noticed too late. Second, there were flower things that pop up before the ribbons appeared.

Sir_Ovens said:
Aruto perceieves time millions of times slower than a regular person and has a computer that can analyse situations and come up with the best course of action millions of times over.
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With this, Aruto would see it coming via the flowers manifesting around wherever its going to be.

Nicetoderp said:
Zero-One speed amp blitz Sub Relativistic people who have perception manip on the same level as himself.
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and with this, he will be able to dodge it with TP spam.
 
Also have another question, isn't Cosmic Awareness range? Like the character would but able to detect things on a cosmic scale but idk if that effects how good the enhanced senses are up close.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Also have another question, isn't Cosmic Awareness range? Like the character would but able to detect things on a cosmic scale but idk if that effects how good the enhanced senses are up close.
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It is basically Enhanced Senses on higher scales if that what you're wondering about.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
I assume the ribbons being invis is shown in the first few moments of the video you provided. With that in mind, there are two things to consider. First, The person that was grappled noticed it but noticed too late. Second, there were flower things that pop up before the ribbons appeared.
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The ribbons were already there before that, homura had time stopped at that point and the only reason mami wasn’t also stopped was because she had the ribbon on homura before the time stop
 
Randomlamdom said:
The ribbons were already there before that, homura had time stopped at that point and the only reason mami wasn’t also stopped was because she had the ribbon on homura before the time stop
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I see. When the battle starts, she won't have any ribbons prematurely added tho.
Also about the pre-cog thing, Satellite Zea which Z1 is connected to can correctly predict events decades into the future. So predicted things that were never even conceived by anyone but the Satellite.
Jamesthetaker said:
It is basically Enhanced Senses on higher scales if that what you're wondering about.
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It's on a bigger scale I know but I guess what I'm getting at is how potent is it cause not all Cosmic Awareness is built the same.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
It's on a bigger scale I know but I guess what I'm getting at is how potent is it cause not all Cosmic Awareness is built the same.
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I can try answer this
It's basically can detect the Witch who was isolated from the world via their barriers which is an pocket reality warping
At least from what i remember
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
I can try answer this
It's basically can detect the Witch who was isolated from the world via their barriers which is an pocket reality warping
At least from what i remember
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Is it just Witch specific things then? Why should Mami Ribbon scale to that? Has they detected other things before with the same cosmic awareness?
 
It hasn't been stated to be witch specific, though not that it matters anyways, Magia Record Mami is basically just regular Mami + witch form.
 
Going by that logic, shouldn't she notice Mami setting up everything and being near her anyways but didn't.
 
Well to be fair, the cosmic awarness is kinda implied, even in Puella Magi Psyhiology it has been stated like that

Anyway SD, can you finally give your arguments here?
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Going by that logic, shouldn't she notice Mami setting up everything and being near her anyways but didn't.
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She? If you're refering to the kamen rider, Mami's ribbons kinda just materialize sometimes.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
It might be refer to the fight between Mami and Homura
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In that case, I guess my answer of it just materializing still stands.

Veloxt1r0kore said:
Well to be fair, the cosmic awarness is kinda implied, even in Puella Magi Psyhiology it has been stated like that

Anyway SD, can you finally give your arguments here?
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Based on how the pre-cog works, I don't think that Kamen Rider will be able to avoid the ribbons without having data on Mami's abilities first. Unless that time-based perception ability also translates into movement speed, I think I'll give it to Mami but just barely.
 
Thank goodness, now both sides have a solid arguments and now i can rest in peace without being anxioys IRL regarding this match

Anyway current votes:
  • Zero-One/Aruto: 3 (Zencha, James, Ixa(?))
  • Mami: (SD)
 
The Cosmic Awareness can sense a witch in a pocket dimension but not a witch setting up ribbons and sneaking up behind her the whole time she was dialoguing? Seems a little sus.
 
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Multiple things that I've noticed:

1. From the fight, the ribbons can easily be broken by an outside weapon. Aruto has the AP advantage from the beginning and can easily get to High 7-A, idk how it shouldn't get broken. Aruto can just use one of his weapons to cut it. It's not like grabbing onto Z1's body will make his weapons suddenly not work. He can also put the keys into the weapons so that he can freeze the ribbons or just wipe them out with fire.

2. Aruto's drones always gets ignored in every match with Shining Assault. They are the same AP as Aruto and have their own versatility that they can bring.

SomebodyData said:
Based on how the pre-cog works, I don't think that Kamen Rider will be able to avoid the ribbons without having data on Mami's abilities first. Unless that time-based perception ability also translates into movement speed, I think I'll give it to Mami but just barely.
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Zero-One's perception makes him have the time for Zea to completely analyze what the ribbon is. He doesn't need the perception to translate into movement speed because he can tap his belt and get a massive speed amp.
 
Btw while the debate are still ongoing, i've opened the votes session since now both sides had a very solid arguments
 
IxaSaga2 said:
The Cosmic Awareness can sense a witch in a pocket dimension but not a witch setting up ribbons and sneaking up behind her the whole time she was dialoguing? Seems a little sus.
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Well like I mentioned before, the ribbons kinda just appeared. Mami didn't set them up.

Also, that isn't witch Mami, just regular Mami. (Assuming you're talking about the Mami vs Homura fight).

IxaSaga2 said:
Multiple things that I've noticed:

1. From the fight, the ribbons can easily be broken by an outside weapon. Aruto has the AP advantage from the beginning and can easily get to High 7-A, idk how it shouldn't get broken. Aruto can just use one of his weapons to cut it. It's not like grabbing onto Z1's body will make his weapons suddenly not work. He can also put the keys into the weapons so that he can freeze the ribbons or just wipe them out with fire.

2. Aruto's drones always gets ignored in every match with Shining Assault. They are the same AP as Aruto and have their own versatility that they can bring.


Zero-One's perception makes him have the time for Zea to completely analyze what the ribbon is. He doesn't need the perception to translate into movement speed because he can tap his belt and get a massive speed amp.
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1. I think it was mentioned before in this thread that Mami's ribbons can harden up to High 7-A.

2. Probably get matched by Mami's familiars, something most people seem to forget Doppel Witches can also do.

He can't exactly analyze something he can't see or detect can he?
 
SomebodyData said:
1. I think it was mentioned before in this thread that Mami's ribbons can harden up to High 7-A.
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Zero-One can bypass it via his finishers which is up to High 7-A
SomebodyData said:
2. Probably get matched by Mami's familiars, something most people seem to forget Doppel Witches can also do.
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Shit, forget about this one
However i think this can be covered by Zero-One Crystals
Its like Mami ribbons, once summoned its an passive like funnels from Gundam series
 
SomebodyData said:
Well like I mentioned before, the ribbons kinda just appeared. Mami didn't set them up.

Also, that isn't witch Mami, just regular Mami. (Assuming you're talking about the Mami vs Homura fight).
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I see.
SomebodyData said:
1. I think it was mentioned before in this thread that Mami's ribbons can harden up to High 7-A.

2. Probably get matched by Mami's familiars, something most people seem to forget Doppel Witches can also do.

He can't exactly analyze something he can't see or detect can he?
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Like Velox said, he can amp to that with finishers and can destroy the ribbons with High 7-A with this weapons. He also has many other options. Biting Shark key specializes in cutting thigns that he can't cut before. Point about burning or freezing still stands.

How much familiars can she summon? Z1 can seemingly summon endlessly.

The ribbons reappeared when attached. I don't see why he can't analyze them then and there with his perception.
 
Since Doppels are similar with Witch, i think she can summon the familiars endlessly
 
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