Sailor Moon Tier 1 Upgrade (Reformatted)

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Reformatting this arguments to be more streamlined. I have dropped some arguments as they did not work out. But the remaining two I believe work:

4Dimensional Space exists within the Sailor Moon Universe.


1. Sailor Mercury in the 1ast arc uses in-world math, to create a super dimensional structure. The attack has been translated as hypersphere, super dimensional space, hyperspatial sphere, etc. Japanese word 'chou' can be used for both super and hyper.

Sailor Mercury uses it to bring the battle to a 4D space to prevent the game center and surrounding area from being damaged in the battle. Queen Beryl also comments, "fight wherever you want" confirming that they are in a new location, and not simply inside a forcefield. Mathematically speaking, a super dimensional anything cannot fit inside 3D space, so there must be at least 4D space on some level within the verse to accommodate. This plus the fact that Sailor Mercury needed to use mathematical calculations as a pre-requisite to do the attack, means the attack is based in mathematical theory and is an actual hypersphere. This would mean that the universe possesses at least 4 dimensions of space, bringing 5D spacetime.

The Corridor of Spacetime

The Corridor of spacetime (also called the underworld, rift, spacetime etc.), is a realm that is stated directly to have no concept of Distance or Direction and coordinates are undefined. Sailor Mercury, who can track people across indefinite distances (the space between spacetimes) and can calculate super dimensional spaces, could figure out this space.

All time and space are subsets of this space. The Tau Star System which is an entire infinite universe, exists in a region within the Corridor. Sailor Pluto used the corridor to seal away the accesss to this universe. The Future and Past of the main universe exist as separate locations within the Corridor. People who wander the corridor can end up lost in time.

The corridor of spacetime should be either equal to universe, 5D or above it 6D.

This would in turn be applied to the God-tiers

Tier Low 1-C: Lambda Sailor Moon, Chaos, Sailor Cosmos
Low 1-C Range: Sailor Moon, Pluto, Death Phantom, Black Lady

 

[TauanVictor]

I can't find reasons enough for such dimensions to qualify infinitely above each other, they may very well be just other 4-D dimensions.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I can't find reasons enough for such dimensions to qualify infinitely above each other, they may very well be just other 4-D dimensions.

? I'm not sure about what you mean? other 4D dimensions are just other universes.

The multiverse has at least 6D dimensions: 4D space and 2D time. The rest (corridor, cauldron, Lambda power) are qualitive superior and not dimensions.

 

[Jinsye]

Okay, so you're going to have to bring up a lot more proof than that if you want a tier 1 verse.

Sailor Mercury in the 1ast arc uses in-world math, to create a super dimensional structure. Mathematically speaking, a super dimensional anything cannot fit inside 3D space, so there must be at least 4D space on some level within the verse to accommodate.

"Super-dimensional sphere" does not mean the entire verse is a tier 1 structure, from the scan provided all it says is that she made a shield to fit around a neighborhood. Super-dimensional is a vague term that we do not default to higher-dimensional spaces by default. They can be supporting evidence, but just saying the term "super-dimensional" does not mean a tier 1 cosmology.

Super-dimensional could mean a time-shield for example.

During the second arc, while the using the Silver Crystal, it is directly stated that time exists in layers. It is not stated how many, but we can easily just say at least 2.

Also horribly vague. "Layers of time" doesn't mean dimensions by default either, especially with that set of statements. You would need to prove that the 'layers' means actual dimensions and is not just a flowery saying made to sound cool.

Just because the word 'layers' is used does not mean it has to strictly abide by our definitions, especially if the statement is one-off like this. You need supporting evidence, pretty much.

The Corridor of spacetime, is a realm that is stated directly to have no concept of Distance or Direction. All time and space are subsets of this space. Sailor Mercury, who can track people across indefinite distances (the space between spacetimes) and can calculate super dimensional spaces, could figure out this space.

This could be useful, if you can provide scans for the "All time and space are subsets of this space." part. I would like more context on how this place works as well, as if it works as like a place where timelines are embedded into, it would be tier 1.

3. The Galaxy Cauldron

The Galaxy Cauldron is the next layer. This place is the most holiest place in the verse. It is the source of everything and where all possibilities are created. It formed the Silver Crystal and gave it all its particles, which transcends time and space, but can also destroy everything, including the Corridor of Spacetime, via a special paradox.

This place should be superior to the Corridor of Spacetime, and should qualify above it, bringing it to 8D, which is still 1-C

4. The Lambda Power

The Lambda Power is the ultimate force in Sailor Moon. With it, Sailor Moon Purged Chaos, who had fused with the Galaxy Cauldron and undid the destruction caused by Sailor Galaxia, and ressurrected all the melted Sailor Crystals. It also has the power to reset the entire verse.

It should be superior to the Galaxy Cauldron, and should qualify above it, bringing it to 9D, which is still 1-C.

Being the source of everything /=/ qualitative superiority. You'd just scale to the verse, not one layer above it. Same thing with the Lambda Power. You can be stronger than something without being qualitatively superior, so I would imagine that this is just that.

 

[Reiner04]

No concept of spacetime just shows absence of those elements and doesn't mean anything w/o that void itself showing the proof of Qualitative superiority.

 

[Barbar01]

Disagree

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

"Super-dimensional sphere" does not mean the entire verse is a tier 1 structure, from the scan provided all it says is that she made a shield to fit around a neighborhood. Super-dimensional is a vague term that we do not default to higher-dimensional spaces by default. They can be supporting evidence, but just saying the term "super-dimensional" does not mean a tier 1 cosmology.

Super-dimensional could mean a time-shield for example.

There's nothing vague about super-dimensional sphere. It's a common geometry term. It is also translated as hyper-dimensional sphere in other official versions. When you type in the words super dimensional sphere in any common search engine, the results bring up n-spheres and hyperspheres.

And yes, mathematically speaking, nspheres cannot fit in n-1 spaces. Logically speaking, Sailor Mercury could not have created a super dimensional object in regular 4D space. It doesn't make her tier one, of course, but it does mean that the cosmology isn't limited to 3D space.

Also horribly vague. "Layers of time" doesn't mean dimensions by default either, especially with that set of statements. You would need to prove that the 'layers' means actual dimensions and is not just a flowery saying made to sound cool.

Just because the word 'layers' is used does not mean it has to strictly abide by our definitions, especially if the statement is one-off like this. You need supporting evidence, pretty much.

It actually does. Time itself is a dimension. Literally speaking. Layers of time means that time doesn't exist as a singular thing but as something that is plural. Therefore it is simple and correct to refer to Layers of time as being at least 2 dimensions.

And it's not flowery language. Backstory: The Silver Crystal can only work in the time period it is from. The Silver Crystal of the future only works in the future. The silver Crystal of the past only works in the past. However, to get pass this, the Sailor Moon sends her self power from the past. The page is directly describe Sailor Moon sending power through which exists in layers. "Unhindered by the layers of time" is referring the silver crystal not losing power as it travels through the layers of time to reach the future from the present.

This could be useful, if you can provide scans for the "All time and space are subsets of this space." part. I would like more context on how this place works as well, as if it works as like a place where timelines are embedded into, it would be tier 1.

Characters use this realm to travel through time and space.
People who wander this place without Pluto's key, can get lost in time.
An entire universe is stated to be in a distant region in this realm. (universes in sailor moon are infinite)
Sailor Pluto sealed off that same universe, blocking it from accessing any other point in time and space.
The past exists as physical location in this realm and physically separate from the future.

Being the source of everything /=/ qualitative superiority. You'd just scale to the verse, not one layer above it. Same thing with the Lambda Power. You can be stronger than something without being qualitatively superior, so I would imagine that this is just that.

The Galaxy Cauldron reduces things down to be very small (Or infinitesimals depending on the translations), including the silver crystal which can destroy the Corridor via a paradox. I thought completely dwarfing something in size and power was proof of qualitative superiority?

Chaos fused with the Galaxy Cauldron and the Lambda Power reduced him.

 

[Maitreya12]

Ok yeah no…

The last one was closed prematurely, before any further discussion could done. 1-A wasn't accepted, but many folks agreed with lower tiers. So this thread will continue that discussion in that regard.


1. Dimensionality

Sailor Mercury in the 1ast arc uses in-world math, to create a super dimensional structure. Mathematically speaking, a super dimensional anything cannot fit inside 3D space, so there must be at least 4D space on some level within the verse to accommodate.

During the second arc, while the using the Silver Crystal, it is directly stated that time exists in layers. It is not stated how many, but we can easily just say at least 2.

So, in conclusion, the Sailor Moon universe or multiverse for that matter, should have at least Four dimensions of space and 2 dimensions of Time. This would put the cosmology at least 6D or Low 1-C but we are not done yet.

Whaaaaatt?

First and foremost can you demonstrate that each “layer” of time is qualitatively superior to each other as stipulated by our standards??

That is the very first thing you need to do before you can get 6-D anything. Ok?

2. The Corridor of Spacetime

The Corridor of spacetime, is a realm that is stated directly to have no concept of Distance or Direction. All time and space are subsets of this space. Sailor Mercury, who can track people across indefinite distances (the space between spacetimes) and can calculate super dimensional spaces, could figure out this space.

This realm, is beyond spacetime of the verse, and should qualify above it, bringing the verse to 7D or 1-C.

You have not demonstrated qualitative superiority for the cosmology in this explanation nor have you explained how it meets the standard. “Having no concept of distance or direction” doesn’t inherently entail qualitative superiority as was described in the last thread.

3. The Galaxy Cauldron

The Galaxy Cauldron is the next layer. This place is the most holiest place in the verse. It is the source of everything and where all possibilities are created. It formed the Silver Crystal and gave it all its particles, which transcends time and space, but can also destroy everything, including the Corridor of Spacetime, via a special paradox.

This place should be superior to the Corridor of Spacetime, and should qualify above it, bringing it to 8D, which is still 1-C

You’re literally just making assertions.

You’re not proving anything, you’re not providing evidence and explaining how it meets the standard of qualitative superiority. You’re simply making assertions that “they should be superior so they’re a whole ass dimension above the last thing I said was superior.”

Like no dude, that’s not how it works.

4. The Lambda Power

The Lambda Power is the ultimate force in Sailor Moon. With it, Sailor Moon Purged Chaos, who had fused with the Galaxy Cauldron and undid the destruction caused by Sailor Galaxia, and ressurrected all the melted Sailor Crystals. It also has the power to reset the entire verse.

It should be superior to the Galaxy Cauldron, and should qualify above it, bringing it to 9D, which is still 1-C.

“It should be superior”

You’re not saying anything with this

What does that mean? Superiority in a whole dimensionality? Can you prove it because the standard isn’t that one thing “being superior” to another thing qualifies for superior dimensionality, the standard is qualitative superiority in order to do that. And you’ve literally done none of that with anything you’ve posted here.

Who gets what?

Tier 1-C (9-D): Lambda Sailor Moon, Sailor Chaos, Sailor Cosmos

Tier 1-C (8-D): Chaos

Range 1-C (7-D): Sailor Moon, Death Phantom, Black Lady, Sailor Pluto

NOTE: No derailment like in the last thread.

No to literally everything here.

 

[Delta333]

The Lambda power is not even some form of structure/layer and literally just giving hax, disagree too.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Whaaaaatt?

First and foremost can you demonstrate that each “layer” of time is qualitatively superior to each other as stipulated by our standards??

That is the very first thing you need to do before you can get 6-D anything. Ok?

You don’t need qualitative superiority for the existence of dimensions.

You have not demonstrated qualitative superiority for the cosmology in this explanation nor have you explained how it meets the standard. “Having no concept of distance or direction” doesn’t inherently entail qualitative superiority as was described in the last thread.

Space and time being subsets of the corridor would count as qualitative superiority.

The Lambda power is not even some form of structure/layer and literally just giving hax, disagree too.

The lamba power trivializes and reduced Chaos to an infinitesimal.

 

[Maitreya12]

You don’t need qualitative superiority for the existence of dimensions.

Uh yeah you do. Especially for the argument you’re making.

You want to upgrade the cosmology to 6-D and above well you gotta first prove qualitative superiority for each dimension that proves its 6-D and above. So prove each of those dimensions is above one another in order to prove 6-D cosmology.

Space and time being subsets of the corridor would count as qualitative superiority.

No not inherently so nor have you explained or provided evidence as to why that is or why it meets our standards of application.

The lamba power trivializes and reduced Chaos to an infinitesimal.

Proof? Scans? Again you’re not demonstrating qualitative superiority, you’re still just making assertions and positing them to be true without properly proving them to be so.

Still disagree with the thread.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Disagree fra

 

[Delta333]

The lamba power trivializes and reduced Chaos to an infinitesimal.

Let's say it can reduce others' power to an infinitesimal, why is this just not...a normal hax? If I reduce a being with High 3-A AP to 3-A instead, does it mean I'm a higher layer of reality itself?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Disagree with everything FRA.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Uh yeah you do. Especially for the argument you’re making.

You want to upgrade the cosmology to 6-D and above well you gotta first prove qualitative superiority for each dimension that proves its 6-D and above. So prove each of those dimensions is above one another in order to prove 6-D cosmology.

You don’t need qualitative superiority for dimensioned space. Check the tier system again. I am only using dimensioned space for the first two points and not for the others.

No not inherently so nor have you explained or provided evidence as to why that is or why it meets our standards of application.

I have provided evidence above. And yes inherently.
Dimensioned space is defined as R^n with a set of coordinates with a cardinality of Aleph1.

Because distance and direction do not apply to the corridor, the n in R^n is undefined. And because time and space are subsets of this space, the set of coordinates has a cardinality of Aleph2.

Our current tier system has nothing that accurately defines something like this, and people have disagreed that it is 1-A but also agreed that it is above the basline of the verse which is R^4 and qualifies for beyond-dimensional existence. That should be enough to prove it is qualitative superior to the baseline.

Proof? Scans? Again you’re not demonstrating qualitative superiority, you’re still just making assertions and positing them to be true without properly proving them to be so.

I posted proof above.

Let's say it can reduce others' power to an infinitesimal, why is this just not...a normal hax? If I reduce a being with High 3-A AP to 3-A instead, does it mean I'm a higher layer of reality itself?

That’s not accurate description of what I said. It’s not just someone’s power. It’s their entire being and concept. You would be reducing a High 3A being to 0D. And you would be qualitative superior.

Also, you are missing the step of the Galaxy Cauldron reducing everything that enters it. Chaos was merged and kept his full form in the cauldron until Sailor Moon did the thing with the lambda power.

So, for your example, you would be reducing someone to 0D, who exists full formed in a structure that reduces 4D to 6D persons and power to 0D.

 

[Maitreya12]

You don’t need qualitative superiority for dimensioned space. Check the tier system again. I am only using dimensioned space for the first two points and not for the others.

Yeah you do. You need to prove the dimensional space is qualitatively superior to the previous structure in order to prove higher dimensional superiority like you’re proposing.

Nothing about the dimensional space even proves 6-D in the first place. I’m still lost on where you even got that from. All you said was “4 dimensions of space and 2 dimensions of time” which you just added together to get 6-D, but that literally is not how dimensionality works in any way.

It’s “space-time” ok? Not space and time. Space-time. It’s all one thing. Nothing in any of your scans say that there are 6 axis coordinates in order to get that level of dimensionality. None whatsoever, so again I ask for you to demonstrate qualitative superiority on the space that makes it 6-D like you’re proposing.

I have provided evidence above. And yes inherently.
Dimensioned space is defined as R^n with a set of coordinates with a cardinality of Aleph1.

No, not inherently as for one you need to prove they are referring to dimensional space coordinates of R^n as we are in the scan provided, it cannot just be flippantly assumed, and furthermore lacking something does not equate to exceeding something nor does it inherently entail the rating of 1-A since it could just as easily be 0D

Because distance and direction do not apply to the corridor, the n in R^n is undefined. And because time and space are subsets of this space, the set of coordinates has a cardinality of Aleph2.

See above on the lack of evidence provided for the interpretation of this claim.

Our current tier system has nothing that accurately defines something like this, and people have disagreed that it is 1-A but also agreed that it is above the basline of the verse which is R^4 and qualifies for beyond-dimensional existence. That should be enough to prove it is qualitative superior to the baseline.

No…it is not enough. People have said there might be some supporting evidence for tier 1 SM, but that doesn’t mean you have constructed the argument in such a way, or provided the sufficient amount of evidence to inherently prove that claim. Thus did not meet the standard for qualitative superiority, especially with the way the argument is constructed as it is in going for a 9-D rating, not just an “above baseline qualitative superiority” rating.

Those are two very different things.

I posted proof above.

And I have demonstrated and explained why the proof you cited above does not entail or lead to the claims you are making. Again you still have yet to even demonstrate how you got the dimensional spaces to be 6-D by our standards, let alone all the other higher dimensional stuff.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I will respond to new responses later tonight.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Yeah you do. You need to prove the dimensional space is qualitatively superior to the previous structure in order to prove higher dimensional superiority like you’re proposing.

Nothing about the dimensional space even proves 6-D in the first place. I’m still lost on where you even got that from. All you said was “4 dimensions of space and 2 dimensions of time” which you just added together to get 6-D, but that literally is not how dimensionality works in any way.

You need to check the tier page. There are two options for upgrading characters past tier 2. One method is through Qualitative superiority where a world/realm/layer/etc. is proven to be qualitatively superior and its inhabitants are given a higher tier OR when a significant structure has more than 4 dimensions. Characters who can create/destroy these 4+ dimensioned space will qualify for higher tiers. The inhabitants of the 4+ dimensioned space do not get higher tiers for simply existing there.

Here is the proof from the tier page:

Characters or objects that can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)

So again, I do not need to prove qualitative superiority in the first the two arguments for 5D and 6D. I use qualitative superiority for the others.

No, not inherently as for one you need to prove they are referring to dimensional space coordinates of R^n as we are in the scan provided, it cannot just be flippantly assumed, and furthermore lacking something does not equate to exceeding something nor does it inherently entail the rating of 1-A since it could just as easily be 0D

It couldn't be 0D because they aren't points and the corridor encompasses entire spacetimes.

 

[Maitreya12]

You need to check the tier page. There are two options for upgrading characters past tier 2. One method is through Qualitative superiority where a world/realm/layer/etc. is proven to be qualitatively superior and its inhabitants are given a higher tier OR when a significant structure has more than 4 dimensions. Characters who can create/destroy these 4+ dimensioned space will qualify for higher tiers. The inhabitants of the 4+ dimensioned space do not get higher tiers for simply existing there.

Here is the proof from the tier page:

Characters or objects that can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)

So again, I do not need to prove qualitative superiority in the first the two arguments for 5D and 6D. I use qualitative superiority for the others.

Holy lord. You’re still not telling me how you got 6-D anything. And please read it again. “Whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity than the standard universe model.”

So can you please prove those two “layers” of time you’re using to get 6-D are each a higher level of infinity than the other because again, that’s what first needed to be done before you can claim 6-D anything.

It couldn't be 0D because they aren't points and the corridor encompasses entire spacetimes.

And it’s still not 1-A for all the other stuff that I mentioned about the statement.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Holy lord. You’re still not telling me how you got 6-D anything. And please read it again. “Whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity than the standard universe model.”

So can you please prove those two “layers” of time you’re using to get 6-D are each a higher level of infinity than the other because again, that’s what first needed to be done before you can claim 6-D anything.

?? It's in the OP.

Sailor Mercury creates a super dimensional structure. Mathematically, 4D structure cannot exist in 3D space, which means that on some level the verse has 4D space which would be R^5 or one higher level of infinity that wiki is referring to.

Then in the second arc, we have Prince Demande stating that time (a dimension) is comprised in layers. Time being a plurality rather than a singularity would give us at least 2 dimensions of time. That would bring the verse to R^6.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

And it’s still not 1-A for all the other stuff that I mentioned about the statement.

What exactly did you mention?
IF you mean this:

inherently as for one you need to prove they are referring to dimensional space coordinates of R^n as we are in the scan provided, it cannot just be flippantly assumed

I don't need to. Dimensions and directions are interchangeable. Also Sailor Pluto literally mentions that without the timekey, points in space are undefined, which would be a direct correlation with dimensional space coordinates.

 

[Maitreya12]

?? It's in the OP.

Sailor Mercury creates a super dimensional structure. Mathematically, 4D structure cannot exist in 3D space, which means that on some level the verse has 4D space which would be R^5 or one higher level of infinity that wiki is referring to.

Then in the second arc, we have Prince Demande stating that time (a dimension) is comprised in layers. Time being a plurality rather than a singularity would give us at least 2 dimensions of time. That would bring the verse to R^6.

….no. None of this is right. Like at all. None of this proves higher levels of infinity.

Dimensionality isn’t added like that like addition. That’s not how it works. First you got your math wrong. A 4-D space isn’t R^5. R^5 can be read as “5-D.” A 4-D space does not entail R^5.

As for the second point, again this isn’t addition. Can you prove that the “layers” of time are two separate coordinate points on the dimensional axis? Because you’re resting “4-D space” and “2 other D points of time” as if they’re separate things when it’s literally “Space-time.” It’s all 1 single thing. A “Space-time continuum” for example is a 4-D thing. The “layers of time” can just be part of the R^4 construct. Or it just being 4-D construct. Not 6-D in the slightest.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

no. None of this is right. Like at all. None of this proves higher levels of infinity.

Dimensionality isn’t added like that like addition.

Yes it does. R represents the set if real numbers of each coordinates for each dimensional direction. OMG.

Dimensionality isn’t added like that like addition. That’s not how it works. First you got your math wrong. A 4-D space isn’t R^5. R^5 can be read as “5-D.” A 4-D space does not entail R^5.

Dude. 4D space plus 1 D time. Did I have to literally write that out? It should have been obvious.

As for the second point, again this isn’t addition. Can you prove that the “layers” of time are two separate coordinate points on the dimensional axis? Because you’re resting “4-D space” and “2 other D points of time” as if they’re separate things when it’s literally “Space-time.” It’s all 1 single thing. A “Space-time continuum” for example is a 4-D thing. The “layers of time” can just be part of the R^4 construct. Or it just being 4-D construct. Not 6-D in the slightest.

Explain to me how a Real coordinate system, aka a number line, can have layers and still exist as a singular line.

 

[Maitreya12]

Yes it does. R represents the set if real numbers of each coordinates for each dimensional direction. OMG.

Yeah….you don’t add each number as it’s its own dimensional direction….you actually need to prove that. Hell you need to prove this is all on the same axis as one another.

Dude. 4D space plus 1 D time. Did I have to literally write that out? It should have been obvious.

Holy shi….there’s literally no such thing. You actually have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s no such thing as “1-D time being added to 4-D space.” Literally none. I keep saying this to you over and over but it’s “space-time” not space and time. It’s all one thing.

Explain to me how a Real coordinate system, aka a number line, can have layers and still exist as a singular line.

Because the layers can all be part of a singular line? There’s no proof it’s its own separate coordinate directional line on the axis unless you can provide some. You need to prove there’s more than 4, which you have yet to do so since you’ve yet to prove that each layer of time is its own separate direction compared to space.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Yeah….you don’t add each number as it’s its own dimensional direction….you actually need to prove that. Hell you need to prove this is all on the same axis as one another.

???? Yes you do! 3D space has three dimensional directions. A 4th direction would make it 4D space. This is basic understanding.

Holy shi….there’s literally no such thing. You actually have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s no such thing as “1-D time being added to 4-D space.” Literally none.

???????? You literally do not know what you are you talking about. I am talking about the sailor moon universe.

I keep saying this to you over and over but it’s “space-time” not space and time. It’s all one thing.

You are literally just saying random things to be contrarian. Stop acting condescending when you don’t know what are you talking about or about how any of this works.

Because the layers can all be part of a singular line?

No they cannot or they wouldn’t be a line.

 

[Robo432343]

You are literally just saying random things to be contrarian. Stop acting condescending when you don’t know what are you talking about or about how any of this works.

this sounds like cope after being debunked hard

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

this sounds like cope after being debunked hard

Sure, Jan.

 

[Maitreya12]

???? Yes you do! 3D space has three dimensional directions. A 4th direction would make it 4D space. This is basic understanding.

Oh…my god.

Ok….that’s it. I don’t know how many goddamn times I have to repeat this thing.

It’s not space….it’s space-time. There’s no such thing as space and time. They’re not 2 things. They’re 1 goddamn thing. Space-time. You heard me? Space-time. 1 word.

There’s no such thing….as a 4-D space structure. That doesn’t work. It’s ******* space-time. For God’s sake she even says she needs Time-Axis calculations for the 4-D structure. You heard that? TIME-axis in the 4-D space. Because it’s space-time. You have a 4-D space-time structure. Not a “4-D space structure.” Holy hell.

Stop treating it, as if they’re two separate things. You don’t add them together as if they’re an addition equation. It’s just 4-D, not even close to 6-D.

???????? You literally do not know what you are you talking about. I am talking about the sailor moon universe.

If you literally don’t know the standards set for even how to qualify for higher dimensional superior and not cite them in your CRT meant to upgrade your verse…I wouldn’t be talking like that.

You are literally just saying random things to be contrarian. Stop acting condescending when you don’t know what are you talking about or about how any of this works.

this sounds like cope after being debunked hard

Fr.

If you don’t have an argument stop wasting time then. You’re the only one who’s not responding to the point at hand.

No they cannot or they wouldn’t be a line.

Again you gotta prove it’s following our specific standards of R^n for higher dimensional superior which you have yet to do.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

For God’s sake she even says she needs Time-Axis calculations for the 4-D structure. You heard that? TIME-axis in the 4-D space. Because it’s space-time. You have a 4-D space-time structure. Not a “4-D space structure.” Holy hell.

Yes, she uses time-axis calculations to create a super dimensional sphere which can only exist in 4D space. Here is the basic science for you. (PS, are you going to yell at wikipedia and tell them that there is no such thing as space?

 

[Maitreya12]

Yes, she uses time-axis calculations to create a super dimensional sphere which can only exist in 4D space. Here is the basic science for you. (PS, are you going to yell at wikipedia and tell them that there is no such thing as space?

For God’s sake dude.

Here’s the goddamn wiki on space. Take a read up on it, I’ll even quote it for ya.

Space is a three-dimensional continuum containing positions and directions.[1] In classical physics, physical space is often conceived in three linear dimensions. Modern physicistsusually consider it, with time, to be part of a boundless four-dimensional continuum known as spacetime.

She’s using time axis calculations to make a 4-D space time structure.

The thing you’re talking about by the way, Euclidean space is what’s it’s referred to by the way, is literally not present in any of the scans you cited. That’s all headcanon by you there friend. You actually need to prove she’s citing n-spheres in an (n+1) sense in Euclidean space for qualify for the claim you’re making. It cannot just be flippantly assumed as there’s no evidence to back that specific claim.

Saying “super-dimensional sphere” doesn’t equate to creating an n-sphere inside of something known as Euclidean space. That actually needs to be proven first they’re going off specifically that.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

She’s using time axis calculations to make a 4-D space time structure.

If it was 4D space time structure, it wouldn’t be a super dimensional sphere.

The thing you’re talking about by the way, Euclidean space is what’s it’s referred to by the way, is literally not present in any of the scans you cited. That’s all headcanon by you there friend. You actually need to prove she’s citing n-spheres in an (n+1) sense in Euclidean space for qualify for the claim you’re making. It cannot just be flippantly assumed as there’s no evidence to back that specific claim.

Do you not know what Euclidean space is? Because if you did you would not be responding with this.

 

[Maitreya12]

If it was 4D space time structure, it wouldn’t be a super dimensional sphere.

Why not. Who says they’re going by a purely mathematical sense of R^n values. Where are you getting any of this from. Saying “superdimensional” or even “higher dimensional” doesn’t inherently equate to these things.

Do you not know what Euclidean space is? Because if you did you would not be responding with this.

Me: where’s the evidence they’re going off of Euclidean space.
You: “do you not know what Euclidean space is”
Me:

Like this isn’t even a response wtf? Where’s the evidence they’re talking about Euclidean space. This is just an assumption on your part.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Why not.

Because it's called math.

Why not. Who says they’re going by a purely mathematical sense of R^n values. Where are you getting any of this from. Saying “superdimensional” or even “higher dimensional” doesn’t inherently equate to these things.

Me: where’s the evidence they’re going off of Euclidean space.
You: “do you not know what Euclidean space is”
Me:

Like this isn’t even a response wtf? Where’s the evidence they’re talking about Euclidean space. This is just an assumption on your part.

No one needs to prove Euclidean spaces exists. It's one of the basic fundamental understanding of space for all humankind. It's a given for all verses.

 

[Maitreya12]

Because it's called math.

Can you prove they’re operating on our specific notion of higher dimensionality in math terms and not just your headcanon you want to establish to highball the verse to high hell? Please and thanks.

No one needs to prove Euclidean spaces exists. It's one of the basic fundamental understanding of space for all humankind. It's a given for all verses.

Uh yeah you do. It’s incumbent upon you to prove they’re operating under our very specific set definitions of higher dimensionality. It cannot just be assumed without evidence substantiating it.

There’s no evidence they’re following Euclidean space examples for higher dimensional superiority, ergo this claim of yours can be dismissed on a basis of lack of evidence.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Can you prove they’re operating on our specific notion of higher dimensionality in math terms and not just your headcanon you want to establish to highball the verse to high hell? Please and thanks.

Uh yeah you do. It’s incumbent upon you to prove they’re operating under our very specific set definitions of higher dimensionality. It cannot just be assumed without evidence substantiating it.

There’s no evidence they’re following Euclidean space examples for higher dimensional superiority, ergo this claim of yours can be dismissed on a basis of lack of evidence.

No one needs to prove a verse uses Euclidean geometry. This is literal idiocy and just derailment. Get serious.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

What's next? I have to prove a verse adheres to Newtonian physics before I can use the kinetic energy formula.

 

[Maitreya12]

No one needs to prove a verse uses Euclidean geometry. This is literal idiocy and just derailment. Get serious.

Yeah you do if you wanna argue higher dimensional superiority. Your toxic behavior still stop change the fact of our standards being set in regards to determining higher dimensional superiority.

So either go by the standards set in place or quietly shut down your CRT if it’s just gonna be uselessly argued.

 

[Reiner04]

Call staff at this moment, I don't see this crt going anywhere

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Yeah. I'm not responding to bad faith arguments. Actual address the material instead of moving goal posts and asking me to prove a verse adheres to basic mathematical concepts

Anyways, I have updated the OP with more of my arguments and more scans and context.

Call staff at this moment, I don't see this crt going anywhere

Other people haven't responded back to me.

 

[Reiner04]

I'll give it a read tomorrow to give my opinion.